The scientific effects of saying ALLAH

[doorster]

a deus ex machina has come to save the day, but as usual comes up empty--an ostentatious sable coat!

peace!

I would like to say something to this scientist but last time I did that a mod put a warning in my profile for "insulting another member" ( I made a post in response to him saying that I was you with a double ID)

 

[جوري]

I would like to say something to this scientist but last time I did that a mod put a warning in my profile for "insulting another member"

ma hwa min "3alim" ya saydi... but is under false pretense!
I don't want to pull an atheist-- but seems the "ignore" or "troll" line is what others use when met with a confounder!

 

[Faith Freedom]

Undertones?

Hmm. If my personal profile had the "Sister" symbol right there, no reference to me being "Agnostic" and I was making the same valid point..... please do re-assure me that your (over)reaction would have been the same?

Honestly?

There's no point arguing over this when there are much bigger things to be argued over in the Quran and Hadiths which this website will not allow. You have already shown your use of reason, logic and common sense which a lot of people tend to lack...Greatly.

On a final note, can I PM you regarding a few things?

 

[Karina]

There's no point arguing over this when there are much bigger things to be argued over in the Quran and Hadiths which this website will not allow. You have already shown your use of reason, logic and common sense which a lot of people tend to lack...Greatly.

On a final note, can I PM you regarding a few things?

Yeah go for it

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Indirect attacks is a cheap method. Dont use it

 

[جوري]

Indirect attacks is a cheap method. Dont use it

It is the usual pedantic public display that is customary to some folks.... Do you honestly want to see pettifoggeries on a public forum-- in heavy exchange of the vulgar tongue? let them take it in private instead of spamming yet another thread!

 

[snakelegs]

There's no point arguing over this when there are much bigger things to be argued over in the Quran and Hadiths which this website will not allow. You have already shown your use of reason, logic and common sense which a lot of people tend to lack...Greatly.

On a final note, can I PM you regarding a few things?

hmmm.....interesting user name :hmm:

 

[vpb]

There's no point arguing over this when there are much bigger things to be argued over in the Quran and Hadiths which this website will not allow. You have already shown your use of reason, logic and common sense which a lot of people tend to lack...Greatly.

dudeeeeee, woww

you look like those guys in those movies, where when the action starts, there is a bit of music in the background, fire and mess everywhere, and this guy comes up in the scence with formal dress, two guns in his hand, walking slow motion towards us.. lolll

Is there anything new about problems in Qur'an, cuz we are tired of the old ones, so you don't have to talk anything, unless u discovered any "contradiciton" in the Qur'an. haha

may Allah guide you on the straight path.

 

[Karina]

There's no point arguing over this when there are much bigger things to be argued over in the Quran and Hadiths which this website will not allow. You have already shown your use of reason, logic and common sense which a lot of people tend to lack...Greatly.

On a final note, can I PM you regarding a few things?

Hey! I aint having no biggotry badmouthing or shenannigans so think again if that's what you mean....................... :blind:

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

hmmm.....interesting user name :hmm:

Umm i definitely noticed that but hoping its not what i think it is :X lol.

 

[snakelegs]

Umm i definitely noticed that but hoping its not what i think it is :X lol.

yep, sure enough. he's been banned. pretty unimaginative, don't you think?

 

[Goku]

yep, sure enough. he's been banned. pretty unimaginative, don't you think?

Well if it is what i think it is, it seems some members of that hate site are trying a new tactic, be sociable and then bite them in the back, well its a change from all out hate...

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^Lol! yeaa truu.

 

[Goku]

^^Lol! yeaa truu.

Yea

Its ironic that those same people simply confirm the truth of these Qur'anic verses without realising it:

002.006
As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe

002.007
Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).

 

[root]

Purest Ambrosia - yet here I present an article from numerous articles of the benefits of prayer and spirituality, coming out of well respected institutions! What say you about this as well?..

This is very true, prayer and spirituality can scientifically seem to add benefits to the "believer". But then again, so can a lump of chalk when the patient believes it to be a new "wonder drug".

Surely, if prayer are to be validated then preying for someone who is not aware that they are being preyed for and show similar results would be great, perhaps you could point us to a relavent peer reviewed scientific paper where this is indeed the case, failing that I think the chalk truly is a wonder drug, or simply a placebo like what you yourself speak of.

 

[جوري]

I have already enclosed a peer reviewed paper from Duke university, on this very thread!

 

[root]

Hahaha Welcome back Root...Haven't seen you in ages.

Well regardless of wether one is aware of it or not, don't you think it's time to start coming to terms that there is some sort of supreme diety called the 'Creator'...I mean, this stuff seriously can't just be all chance now, can it?

As a footnote, I would hate to be preyed on

My answer to that is I don't care for 10000000 - 1 outsiders? The fact remains, plecebos work, praying works (only if the person prays for themselves or is aware someone else is) else, it's as much use as a piece of chalk. Face the evidence.........................

PS. It is good to be back, been busy

 

[جوري]

Just in case your navigating fingers find it difficult to go back a few pages
http://www.dukemednews.duke.edu/news/article.php?id=9136

if you have a subscription to the lancet which is a british journal, you may see it in the July 16th of 2005 issue... you may also find it in the (Monitoring and Actualization of Noetic TRAinings) Project, appear in the Nov. 1 issue of the American Heart Journal.

The report from Duke, which appears in the July 16, 2005, issue of The Lancet, is based upon data from the Monitoring and Actualization of Noetic TRAinings (MANTRA) II study – the first multicenter, prospective, randomized trial of distant intercessory prayer and bedside music, imagery and touch therapy (MIT). "Noetic" interventions like prayer and MIT therapies are defined as "an intangible healing influence brought about without the use of a drug, device or surgical procedure," .

 

[جوري]

Tiger man knows how to run a random double-blind research design and knows that prayer is equivalent to placebo because he said so!
At this point there is nothing more to say.. I have a little sour stomach today and don't want to entertain the psychobabble a pseudo intellect...

 

[root]

Just in case your navigating fingers find it difficult to go back a few pages
http://www.dukemednews.duke.edu/news/article.php?id=9136

if you have a subscription to the lancet which is a british journal, you may see it in the July 16th of 2005 issue... you may also find it in the (Monitoring and Actualization of Noetic TRAinings) Project, appear in the Nov. 1 issue of the American Heart Journal.

Thanks for the links, no offence but before I possibly waste my time here by reading this. Does it show positive healing/recovery effects for people who were NOT aware that they were recieving prayer?