The scientific miracles of the Quran.

[Hemoo]

After the prophet migrated to the Madina he saw many jews and Few of them followed his message and the major of them was so arrogant to accept his prophethood.

in the authintic book of Sahih Bukhary, in the book named "Merits Of The Helpers In Madinah" :

Narated By Anas bin Malik : Allah's Apostle arrived at Medina with Abu Bakr, riding behind him on the same camel. Abu Bakr was an elderly man known to the people, while Allah's Apostle was a youth that was unknown. Thus, if a man met Abu Bakr, he would day, "O Abu Bakr! Who is this man in front of you?" Abu Bakr would say, "This man shows me the Way," One would think that Abu Bakr meant the road, while in fact, Abu Bakr meant the way of virtue and good. Then Abu Bakr looked behind and saw a horse-rider persuing them. He said, "O Allah's Apostle! This is a horse-rider persuing us." The Prophet looked behind and said, "O Allah! Cause him to fall down." So the horse threw him down and got up neighing. After that the rider, Suraqa said, "O Allah's Prophet! Order me whatever you want." The Prophet said, "Stay where you are and do not allow anybody to reach us." So, in the first part of the day Suraqa was an enemy of Allah's Prophet and in the last part of it, he was a protector. Then Allah's Apostle alighted by the side of the Al-Harra and sent a message to the Ansar, and they came to Allah's Prophet and Abu Bakr, and having greeted them, they said, "Ride (your she-camels) safe and obeyed." Allah's Apostle and Abu Bakr rode and the Ansar, carrying their arms, surrounded them. The news that Allah's Prophet had come circulated in Medina. The people came out and were eagerly looking and saying "Allah's Prophet has come! Allah's Prophet has come! So the Prophet went on till he alighted near the house of Abu Aiyub. While the Prophet was speaking with the family members of Abu Aiyub, 'Abdullah bin Salam heard the news of his arrival while he himself was picking the dates for his family from his family garden. He hurried to the Prophet carrying the dates which he had collected for his family from the garden. He listened to Allah's Prophet and then went home.

Then Allah's Prophet said, "Which is the nearest of the houses of our Kith and kin?" Abu Aiyub replied, "Mine, O Allah's Prophet! This is my house and this is my gate." The Prophet said, "Go and prepare a place for our midday rest." Abu Aiyub said, "Get up (both of you) with Allah's Blessings." So when Allah's Prophet went into the house, 'Abdullah bin Salaim (he was a jew) came and said "I testify that you (i.e. Muhammad) are Apostle of Allah and that you have come with the Truth. The Jews know well that I am their chief and the son of their chief and the most learned amongst them and the son of the most learned amongst them. So send for them (i.e. Jews) and ask them about me before they know that I have embraced Islam, for if they know that they will say about me things which are not correct." So Allah's Apostle sent for them, and they came and entered. Allah's Apostle said to them, "O (the group of) Jews! Woe to you: be afraid of Allah. By Allah except Whom none has the right to be worshipped, you people know for certain, that I am Apostle of Allah and that I have come to you with the Truth, so embrace Islam." The Jews replied, "We do not know this." So they said this to the Prophet and he repeated it thrice. Then he said, "What sort of a man is 'Abdullah bin Salam amongst you?" They said, "He is our chief and the son of our chief and the most learned man, and the son of the most learned amongst us." He said, "What would you think if he should embrace Islam?" They said, "Allah forbid! He can not embrace Islam." He said, " What would you think if he should embrace Islam?" They said, "Allah forbid! He can not embrace Islam." He said, "What would you think if he should embrace Islam?" They said, "Allah forbid! He can not embrace Islam." He said, "O Ibn Salaim! Come out to them." He came out and said, "O (the group of) Jews! 8e afraid of Allah except Whom none has the right to be worshipped. You know for certain that he is Apostle of Allah and that he has brought a True Religion!' They said, "You tell a lie." On that Allah's Apostle turned them out.

 

[Abdul Fattah]

A quote from a different thread:

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The subject of scientific miracles has been discussed many times on this forum and you being a mod surely have read them. It amounts to any actual knowledge in the quran was known at the time and borrowed from other sources. Any supposed knowledge is just misreading or changing meaning of words to fit some new concept. And some are just plain wrong. If you want to discuss this please post in the scientific miracles of the quran thread.
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Ok here goes:

1. Wheter or not some information is "borowed" is unsubstantiated. There is no proof of a connection between those things that were known and the prophet (pbuh). Furthermore many of those things were not known at all, or weren't even considered or philosophized about.
Some examples of things that were definitely unknown:
-The expansion of the universe
-The internal waves
-The darkness of the depths of the sea
-The initial stages of an embryo (when it is still to small to see without microscopes).
-The effect mountains have on tectonic plates.
-The barrier in between seas
-the weight of clouds
-the formation of clouds
the list goes on, but I think that's 'll do for now.

2. When we look at tafsirs from scholars who commented on the Qur'an at a time that these scientific miracles were still unknown we see that often their interpretation of the verse is similar to the one that the proponents of the miracles apoint to these verses. So they did not alter it's meaning to "make it fit".

3. There might indeed be a few alleged ones that are dodgy. But that doesn't mean the many others are therefor false by association. Now since the list of miracles is so long it would be bothersome to debate them all, so I would propose to stick to the ones I listed before for now as I do believe those are not "plain wrong"

 

[barney]

51 :47 And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample.

It's amazing how flexible the language of scripture becomes when faced with new discovery.

 

[ranma1/2]

51 :47 And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample.

It's amazing how flexible the language of scripture becomes when faced with new discovery.

that pretty much sums it up.

 

[ranma1/2]

A quote from a different thread:


Ok here goes:

1. Wheter or not some information is "borowed" is unsubstantiated. There is no proof of a connection between those things that were known and the prophet (pbuh). Furthermore many of those things were not known at all, or weren't even considered or philosophized about.
Some examples of things that were definitely unknown:
.....

2. When we look at tafsirs from scholars who commented on the Qur'an at a time that these scientific miracles were still unknown we see that often their interpretation of the verse is similar to the one that the proponents of the miracles apoint to these verses. So they did not alter it's meaning to "make it fit".

3. There might indeed be a few alleged ones that are dodgy. But that doesn't mean the many others are therefor false by association. Now since the list of miracles is so long it would be bothersome to debate them all, so I would propose to stick to the ones I listed before for now as I do believe those are not "plain wrong"

1.As with many things in the past it is pretty much impossible to show 100% that things did or did not happen. However we can tell what is likely. many of the predictions are similar to known knowledge at the time and we can not tell wether mohammad or his followers had contact with these knowledges. "however it is likely espeically over such a long period of the quran being written.

2. could you provide links or sources for this? It seems to me that in general its the imaginative interpretation of the poetry to stretch the meaning of something. Literally you cant take it as scientific predictions.
3. if some are dodgy then that does seem to take away from the divineness of the predictions or at least shows its the matter of interpretation.

 

[Abdul Fattah]

Translation 1: With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of pace.
Translation 2:We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof).
Translation 3:And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample.
Translation 4:With Hands We constructed the heaven. Verily, We are able to expand the vastness of space thereof.
Translation 5:And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it.
(Qur'an, 51:47)

The word "heaven," as stated in the verse above, is used in various places in the Qur'an. It is referring to space and the wider universe. Here again, the word is used with this meaning, stating that the universe "expands." The Arabic word "moosiaaoona" in the term "inna lamoosiaaoona," translated into English as "it is We Who are steadily expanding it", comes from the verb "evsea," meaning "to expand." The prefix "la" emphasises the following name or title and adds a sense of "to a great extent." This expression therefore means "We expand the sky or the universe to a great extent." This is the very conclusion that science has reached today.

Now some translators might have not translated it perfectly because they didn't fully understand its meaning. However it has become obvious to us now. So to disregard it just because it wasn't well translated before is not fair.

 

[barney]

it's so weird that the language needs 5 diffent intepretaions that can mean 5 different things.

This is a book that is easy, all accessible, plain & clear, universal, and divinely written.

Yet nobody knows what one line means.

Lets see if i can do better.

"Indeed We created the universe 251,765,675,322 years ago from whence we speak to you, It is expanding at 2000000 Light years per day in all directions from it's centre which is 7000 gigaparsecs from your current position"

Done.

Ok let me try and break that: Current might mean Electrical Current..this pertaining to magnatism? Current might mean a nice juicy current like a sultana or raisin and when space probes discover that the Galaxy is made up of bits of Fruit...this will confim the message.

 

[Abdul Fattah]

Actually among those 5 translations there are only 2 different meanings. Three of the translations do indeed suggest that space is expanding, the other two say that space is expanded. I don't think that is as weird as you're trying to make it look.

As for "doing better". Better is relative. You're going under the assumption that more informative about numbers is better. Others might argue those numbers are irrelevant.

 

[ranma1/2]

Translation 1: With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of pace.
Translation 2:We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof).
Translation 3:And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample.
Translation 4:With Hands We constructed the heaven. Verily, We are able to expand the vastness of space thereof.
Translation 5:And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it.
(Qur'an, 51:47)

The word "heaven," as stated in the verse above, is used in various places in the Qur'an. It is referring to space and the wider universe. Here again, the word is used with this meaning, stating that the universe "expands." The Arabic word "moosiaaoona" in the term "inna lamoosiaaoona," translated into English as "it is We Who are steadily expanding it", comes from the verb "evsea," meaning "to expand." The prefix "la" emphasises the following name or title and adds a sense of "to a great extent." This expression therefore means "We expand the sky or the universe to a great extent." This is the very conclusion that science has reached today.

Now some translators might have not translated it perfectly because they didn't fully understand its meaning. However it has become obvious to us now. So to disregard it just because it wasn't well translated before is not fair.

at best these seem to say that sky is big and it gets bigger.
it seems to be stretch to think that they could be referring to anything like the expansion of the universe.

 

[Abdul Fattah]

at best these seem to say that sky is big and it gets bigger.
it seems to be stretch to think that they could be referring to anything like the expansion of the universe.

Like I said, the Arabic word that is used here is for both sky and space beyond it. So you can feel all you want, dictionaries don't lie.

 

[جوري]

51 :47 And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample.

It's amazing how flexible the language of scripture becomes when faced with new discovery.

this has been discussed here before ( I believe on this very thread even?).. but here it is again for your viewing pleasure, I took the liberty to translate before with sources from dictionary although I think my translation was adequate... Arabic is an impregnable language.. You can't tamper with it. You'll have to modify yourself, not vice versa! you want to take it on, be my guest!

وَسَّعَ a derivative of the word لَمُوسِعُونَ for any native speakers if you strip it of the Lam the meem (deeming us) ( the polite version) contrast to someone using vous or Tu in French will know that Vous denotes respect while tu is the vernacular.. that isn't the point here but thought I'd add it to the one who questions why G-D speaks in a particular tongue first person or third person...
وَسَّعَ from لَمُوسِعُونَ

space , split , let , broaden , dedicate , open out , widen , space out , clear a passage for , make wide or spacious , open up , make room for , make wide or spacious , step aside for , expand

described here as a (fi3l) i.e verb

you can use this online dictionary, though deficient it serves its purpose if you can understand a word that is un-conjugated , but given that three of four sources already attesting to "expansion and وَسَّعَ" aren't sufficient and everyone is oh such a textual expert .. if you don't wish to shell out big bucks for a proper dictionary... you can see in plain site it says expand... http://dictionary.sakhr.com/idrisidic_2MM.asp?Lang=E-A&sub=????????

peace

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/40870-scientific-miracles-quran-6.html#post722505

 

[barney]

I've got a fiver on the last two translations being translated post discovery-of -expanding -universe.

 

[ranma1/2]

وَسَّعَ from لَمُوسِعُونَ

space , split , let , broaden , dedicate , open out , widen , space out , clear a passage for , make wide or spacious , open up , make room for , make wide or spacious , step aside for , expand

not to mention when you have so many different meanings to a word.

 

[جوري]

I've got a fiver on the last two translations being translated post discovery-of -expanding -universe.

who gives a fig what you think? do you speak Arabic? I am sure all the dictinaries are rigged to be in concert with what you really want to believe...
Get a life will you?

 

[Abdul Fattah]

وَسَّعَ from لَمُوسِعُونَ

space , split , let , broaden , dedicate , open out , widen , space out , clear a passage for , make wide or spacious , open up , make room for , make wide or spacious , step aside for , expand

not to mention when you have so many different meanings to a word.

So you list the definitions of the word it's "derived" from and then assume all are possible interpretations for the verse :s

That's like saying the word "atheism" could mean "God" because it's derived from the greek "theoi" (god).

 

[Ramadhan]

So you list the definitions of the word it's "derived" from and then assume all are possible interpretations for the verse :s

That's like saying the word "atheism" could mean "God" because it's derived from the greek "theoi" (god).

:thumbs_up

 

[Gubbleknucker]

And Brothers, let it be known unto you this day that Energy is equal to mass times the speed of light multiplied unto itself, and that energy and mass are interchangeable: one and the same, as are the pull of the Earth and the pull of gathering momentum....

 

[- IqRa -]

In English?

 

[Gubbleknucker]

It has to say this stuff unambiguously.

"seven heavens" just isn't going to cut it, nor "round Earth," when the circumference of the Earth had already been calculated fairly accurately.

 

[Faye]

The Quran indicates that there are signs in the unverse around us to lead us to the truth of God. It is true that there are indications, but I don't believe Quran contains any absolute irrefutable objective proofs, though the indications it contains can be very convincing, and to deny it may force you to admit some very strange 'coincidences'.

Many of the incidences that Muslims quote as 'absolute scientific evidence that the Quran is true', are not quite that absolute, and the Muslims who quote them end up looking like fools to the non-Muslims who disprove their claims. Islam is a religion based on faith, not absolute proofs.

Any 'proof' for which an alternate explanation can be found, is reduced from the level of a proof, to a very convincing coincidence.

Lets take the expansion of the Universe proof first. While grammatically, it can mean 'and we are constantly expanding it', it can also mean 'and we are the expander'.

And as for the end of the Universe physics, well it is good, but the ayaat refer to the end of the world, which according to the Quran appears to coincide with the end of the universe. Now the end of the universe as calculated by physicists, and described as the Big Crunch, will occur many millions of years after our sun goes supernova, taking out Earth and all humanity with it.

As for the splitting asunder of the Heavens and the Earth, there is a riwayat where a man came to Abdullah bin Umar RA to ask him an explanation for this ayat and so he sent him to Abdullah bin Abbas RA, who explained it as a metaphor, that the earth was 'sewn together', that it was barren, and that the sky was 'sewn together', that it would not rain, and then Allah ripped it asunder, that is, made the sky rain and the earth grow plants.
Now, I'm not saying that this tafseer is necessarily the best possible, I'm just saying that an alternate explanation exists.

And lastly, in the last proof, noor is discribed as reflected light, while the sun and the stars are discribed as actual sources of light. This creates a problem because in the ayat 'Allaho noor us Samawaati wal Ard' 'Allah is the noor of the heavens and the Earth', Allah is described as noor. If noor is reflected light, then whose light is Allah reflecting?
(The traditional tafseers often explain this by saying that noor means light, and Allah is the guiding light of all the beings in the Heavens and Earth.)