The Soldiers in Iraq and their deeds

[Duhaa]

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I am not sure about "insult" but I would join you in hoping for punishment in this world and the next for all rapists, whether of your sisters or of mine.

True. Good point. I mean do these people whoever they may be not think?
What if (God forbid) someone raped their mother, daughter or sister? ffended:
The world would be a fine place if everyone understood and pondered over this.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

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May Allah destroy those who insult our sisters n brother....n may Allah grant our brother n sisters who are suffering eveywhere eternal paradise...ameeeeen

Every country has murderes, rapists and thieves ~ and I speak from experience myself (New York, 1974). Rapists in particular, because they're filthy, should have their ----- cut off, no matter what country they're from! Maybe I would have married had I not been given such a horrible start to that passage of life. But I can definately relate to the after-effect. You never trust and you always feel "less than" which is why I have no mate.

Ninth Scribe

 

[knuckles]

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Hmm, as I said, it is not a question I care to ask. So I won't. I am not sure I did say the point of the war was to stop such evil. And I do not accept that there is more evil in Iraq now than there was. Moreover there is a process under way at the moment that I hope will lead to democracy and peace in Iraq. Well it won't. It will lead to a Shia theocracy. But the old UN sanctions were truly awful and caused much more suffering. It is good that they are gone. When the Americans are gone too and the Iraqis are free to impose whatever oppression they like on each other, Iraq will still be a better place than it was under Saddam.

But you did not answer my main question: given the total lack of evidence for this claim - reported in a not-entirely-disinterested paper with anonymous reporting - why do you all want to believe it is true? There is no compelling reason to think it is true, so why do you?

Man you are my hero

 

[imaad_udeen]

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All rapists are criminals and deserve to be treated with the harshest of punishments.

Whether the story posted in this thread is true or not, I do not know, and it is odd enough for me to be suspicious.

There is so much disinformation in this war that one must be very careful in believing anything, otherwise we just become puppets of the propaganda machines which are churning strong on both sides.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

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Brother, you call that Shaitan

 

[abdul Majid]

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Hahahahaa

 

[shorouk]

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and they still think they have the right to speak of human rights???

 

[Trumble]

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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D YOU think the Americans are GONNA LEAVE!!! ;D ;D

Of course they will leave. If for no other reason than it would be completely politically unacceptable in the United States for them to remain once the new Iraqi government asks them to go.

 

[shanu]

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a pure woman treated like a prostitute
Y are people so cruel? I shall pray 4 this woman. I can understand her feelings. Its a terrible nightmare. God will deal with those soldiers! What hurts me is that a woman was among them. I read a similar article and view pics on that, but in it there were torturing iraqi men. N her name was Sabrina if im right. Iraq holds such a terrible fate. 1st it was under the Tyrant Saddam, n now under Some idiots. Well i hope no one hates the US people 4 some crime some idiots did. We must remmber many US people were against this war too. These soldiers wont get away that easily, they'll be punished certainly and severely by god. I hope that Nadia finds peace

Heigou, we are not condeming americans. Its a inhumane crime, i hope that the soldiers suffer a great deal 4 hurting this woman. Rape happens everywhere. If this happened to an american woman by a muslim soldeir, that i'll personally make sure he suffers a great punishment under sharia law!! So please, cant u see we r sad abt this woman? Is this da time to argue, whether americans, iraqis did da same. Saddam was much worse too, thank god he's in a cage, i hope they would punish him according to da sharia law too

 

[Umu 'Isa]

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this is terrible.. i cant imagine the pain she must of gone through..
some people are so sick! :'( :'(

 

[shanu]

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Every country has murderes, rapists and thieves ~ and I speak from experience myself (New York, 1974). Rapists in particular, because they're filthy, should have their ----- cut off, no matter what country they're from! Maybe I would have married had I not been given such a horrible start to that passage of life. But I can definately relate to the after-effect. You never trust and you always feel "less than" which is why I have no mate.

Ninth Scribe

Talking abt cutting off, lol i heard a man who punished another man by the cutting method, when he discovered an innocent woman raped. Not a bad idea? actually lol ;D

 

[shanu]

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I think american has nothing but sex,sex,sex in their mind. If you see their sitcoms, movies, vid clips - their lifestyle is like - going to schools and be stylish or looks cool, being virgin is yucky, saying lots of 'f' words, be drunk, be drugged. Their lives seems aimless.

Oii, not all americans are like that la :heated:
Some of them have that ideology but there are still some who are clean...
Its just that some carry such a dirty concept. I agree their movies are like that, but i still think that not 100% of them are like that. Its prejudice my dear muslim bro :thankyou: :X

 

[HeiGou]

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Heigou, we are not condeming americans. Its a inhumane crime, i hope that the soldiers suffer a great deal 4 hurting this woman. Rape happens everywhere. If this happened to an american woman by a muslim soldeir, that i'll personally make sure he suffers a great punishment under sharia law!! So please, cant u see we r sad abt this woman? Is this da time to argue, whether americans, iraqis did da same. Saddam was much worse too, thank god he's in a cage, i hope they would punish him according to da sharia law too

Actually I do not mind condemning Americans. God knows they do enough to deserve it. But it needs to be fair - they should also get credit when they do well. This is an alleged inhuman crime. There is no evidence it is true. There is no real reason to believe it is true. Why do you believe it?

Muslims in general do not have good records when it comes to punishing rapists. It has traditionally been all but impossible to prove in a Sharia court. Muslims have traditionally not cared at all about non-Muslim women being raped. So there seems to be a double standard here - when Americans are merely alleged to have raped, people denounce them. When Muslims have been shown to have raped, well, silence would be the nicest way to put it.

All I ask is for a little fairness.

 

[Sis786]

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Actually I do not mind condemning Americans. God knows they do enough to deserve it. But it needs to be fair - they should also get credit when they do well. This is an alleged inhuman crime. There is no evidence it is true. There is no real reason to believe it is true. Why do you believe it?

Yeah Malcom X, American he gets credit, There are many people from America who get credit another women is Angelia Jolie from her good deeds i see her. The fact she is American or whatever does not matter. Here we are taking about American Soldiers raping a women. The Soldiers are in this country APPARANLTY to bring justice and equality and this is there work this is not one case there are hundreds. The Evidence you are asking for is not gonna happen because you want the Media or the Government to look into this. Unfortunately when it comes to such cases the Media like to back off and the Government rather it swept under a carpet.

It makes me soo angry knowing the EVIL these people bring to such lands and then they stand on cosy platforms taking about tolerance and talking down to Muslims. Makes my blood boil

Yes i know there are Muslims who may be doing the same thing and i condemn that too BUT by saying that we cant take our anger out because its not fair is complete nonsense. NOTHING in this world is fair YET we must still speak up about evil and condemn it.

TWO wrongs don’t make a right!!!

 

[HeiGou]

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Yeah Malcom X, American he gets credit, There are many people from America who get credit another women is Angelia Jolie from her good deeds i see her. The fact she is American or whatever does not matter. Here we are taking about American Soldiers raping a women. The Soldiers are in this country APPARANLTY to bring justice and equality and this is there work this is not one case there are hundreds. The Evidence you are asking for is not gonna happen because you want the Media or the Government to look into this. Unfortunately when it comes to such cases the Media like to back off and the Government rather it swept under a carpet.

I am inclined to give little credit to publicity seeking media figures, but let's not back bite here! No, we are not talking about American soldiers raping women. We are talking about an allegation that American soldiers raped a woman - an allegation made by a not-entirely-disinterested media outlet which does not happen to have very good links with the subject at hand. You criticise the BBC but take as gospel (if you will forgive the expression) some rumour circulating in a radical newspaper in London?

The Americans do not look as if they are trying to bring justice and equality to Iraq any more. If they ever did. That is up to the Iraqis now. But I am not sure but I think you are going beyond this article and asserting this is happening to hundreds of Iraqi women? What is your source for that? Why, in the absence of evidence, do you believe this?

It makes me soo angry knowing the EVIL these people bring to such lands and then they stand on cosy platforms taking about tolerance and talking down to Muslims. Makes my blood boil

Why do you choose to view this issue in this light? You could interpret this in any number of different ways. You could accept that no one is perfect and that American soldiers are not perfect either. You could accept that there has been mass rape in recent times (Bosnia, Algeria, Sudan) and America is not usually on the side of the rapists. Instead you choose to be offended. Why, come to think of it, do you see this as talking down to Muslims?

Yes i know there are Muslims who may be doing the same thing and i condemn that too BUT by saying that we cant take our anger out because its not fair is complete nonsense. NOTHING in this world is fair YET we must still speak up about evil and condemn it.

TWO wrongs don’t make a right!!!

May I ask where you condemned the rape that may or may not be taking place in Sudan? The world is full of injustice. Even if this story is true, it is the worst injustice in the world at the moment? Nothing is fair so we need to have a reasonable approach. It is not whether the Americans are perfect, but whether they are good enough and better than what was there before. By any reasonable standard I think that is true. Obviously you do not. Why?

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

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Muslims in general do not have good records when it comes to punishing rapists. It has traditionally been all but impossible to prove in a Sharia court.

Incorrect. I debunked this allegation when you raised it in another thread before. Here is the answer once again:
http://www.islamicboard.com/130000-post18.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/130001-post19.html

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

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Talking abt cutting off, lol i heard a man who punished another man by the cutting method, when he discovered an innocent woman raped. Not a bad idea? actually lol ;D

Yes, but in America it's a slap on the wrist if you ever get it into court.

First offense? Six month continued without finding (means so long as you don't get arrested for anything else for the next six months, the charges disappear).

Ninth Scribe

 

[HeiGou]

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Incorrect. I debunked this allegation when you raised it in another thread before. Here is the answer once again:
http://www.islamicboard.com/130000-post18.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/130001-post19.html

You and I obviously have very different ideas about what "debunked" means.

If I may quote,

Here is another fatwa on this issue, from the IslamToday.com committee:

Question: Is it really true that in Islam, four witnesses are required to prove a case of rape?

Answer: There is some confusion here. In Islamic criminal law, there are two types of punishment: the prescribed punishment (hadd) and the discretionary punishment (ta`zîr).

Prescribed punishments are those that are imposed by the sacred texts for certain crimes in the presence of certain evidence. When guilt is established by that evidence, it becomes obligatory upon the state to carry out the punishment as a religious duty. The judge does not have the jurisdiction to modify or waive this punishment.

The prescribed punishment for fornication is 100 lashes with a whip and for adultery, it is stoning to death. The evidence required for this punishment to be carried out is the testimony of four eyewitnesses of good character or a personal confession willingly given.

In Islamic Law, a ruler or judge may impose a discretionary punishment (ta`zîr) where no prescribed punishment is given in Islamic Law for a certain crime. Likewise, the ruler may decide to give a stricter punishment than the prescribed punishment.

It could be by imprisonment, whipping and in some cases killing. The Muslim scholars in Saudi Arabia, for instance, have decreed the death penalty for drug smugglers who bring large quantities of drugs into the Islamic society. No punishment for drug smuggling is mentioned in the Qur’ân and Sunnah.

Four witnesses are needed to establish unlawful sexual penetration – whether consensual or otherwise – for the Islamic prescribed punishment of flogging or stoning to death to be carried out.

In the absence of this evidence, the prescribed punishment (hadd) for fornication or adultery cannot be carried out.

However, the judge may use other forms of evidence to establish guilt and impose a discretionary punishment that he deems suitable for the crime.

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So to prove rape you need a confession or four adult male witnesses as I said. Failing that a judge may impose a discretionary punishment. But then he may just impose that on the victim as well if he thinks her behaviour is not acceptable. After all it is discretionary.

 

[mizan_aliashraf]

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You and I obviously have very different ideas about what "debunked" means.

If I may quote,



So to prove rape you need a confession or four adult male witnesses as I said. Failing that a judge may impose a discretionary punishment. But then he may just impose that on the victim as well if he thinks her behaviour is not acceptable. After all it is discretionary.

If i may ask, i thought this thread was about the happenings in iraq? why have you bought up an issue that is not related to the subject? Rape is a very very serious crime. A crime that carrries a penalty like you have quoted. If you study shari'ah law then you can make decisions on what punishment to prescribe for each case. After all, to be a judge is no mean feat. it takes years of studying, experience and rising through the ranks

 

[HeiGou]

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If i may ask, i thought this thread was about the happenings in iraq? why have you bought up an issue that is not related to the subject? Rape is a very very serious crime. A crime that carrries a penalty like you have quoted. If you study shari'ah law then you can make decisions on what punishment to prescribe for each case. After all, to be a judge is no mean feat. it takes years of studying, experience and rising through the ranks

In my defence I have to say it was not me that brought up the issue of rape. And it was more or less related - we were, if I remember correctly - discussing the alleged rape of Iraqi women in Abu Ghraib.

Rape is a serious crime. But you cannot hold up, on the one hand, the near impossibility of finding four adult male witnesses to such a crime, and other the other, the record of Muslim countries in prosecuting rape charges, and argue that Islamic systems of justice have a good track record in this area. As I said Muslim countries are very poor at prosecuting rape. Which is probably one of the reasons that most Muslim women have, traditionally, been more restricted than Islamic law demands.