Things in Islam I am curious about...

However, you cannot at the same time demand as you seem to do that I or anyone accept the answer without comment
If your idea of "comment" includes (as you have demonstrated in the recent pages of this thread):

My having to submit justification for my belief to you,

You making unfounded and unproven allegations,

You trying to make us find non-existent faults in our religion, and, should we not do so:

  • You calling us irrational ,
  • You telling us our reason is suspended,
  • Our belief being laughable,
  • Us being deluded ,
  • Islam being the subject of ridicule,
  • Us having our beliefs imposed on us by force
Deeming blindness to be the Islamic way if we don't harbour doubts about our faith,

Then quite frankly such "comments" (an insult to the word I might add) are not welcome.

Peace.
 
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Hugo - only one word to describe your attempts at putting islam under scrutiny - FAIL

I think you should move on and find another part of islam you can have a go at, your attempts of going into minor details of the quran and trying to find faults seem a bit desperate. The Quran is as we believe flawless, if any scriptures were to contain flaws, faults or contradictions they simply wouldn't be from god as god does not make mistakes, unlike how it is in your bible.
 
If your idea of "comment" includes (as you have demonstrated in the recent pages of this thread):My having to submit justification for my belief to you. You making unfounded and unproven allegations, You trying to make us find non-existent faults in our religion, and, should we not do so:
  • You calling us irrational ,
  • You telling us our reason is suspended,
  • Our belief being laughable,
  • Us being deluded ,
  • Islam being the subject of ridicule,
  • Us having our beliefs imposed on us by force
Deeming blindness to be the Islamic way if we don't harbour doubts about our faith, Then quite frankly such "comments" (an insult to the word I might add) are not welcome.
Peace.

I think you might see it that way and I am not asking you to justify your faith to me only to explain it and that is why I ask questions. For example, you can say and believe that there are no faults in Islam but that is from your perspective and you may rightly hold such a view but that will not make it true.

I am not trying to insult you but simply see what it is you are saying, is it true, is it debatable, is it interesting, does it make sense, is it logical etc. I am not sure which 'allegations' you speak of but if I have pointed out lets call it a 'flaw' then you don't have to accept it any more than I have to accept what you say but at the end one hopes the subject has been broadened.

I am note sure but you seem to imply I am here to place doubts in your mind as some dastardly plot but in much the same way when you say something that may very well place a doubt in mine. There is nothing wrong with doubts and they play their part in allowing us to find truth. If I remember rightly there is a story about the Prophet of Islam being asked if it was permitted to doubt to which he is said to have re-plied "yes, because the doubts will lead you to the truth' Perhaps if I offer a few quotations you may see where I am coming from.

Brionowski - "That is the essence of science: ask an impertinent question, and you are on the way to a pertinent answer"
Stevenson - "If we value the pursuit of knowledge, we must be free to follow wherever that search may lead us"
Huxely - "The great tragedy of science - the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact"

So to bring this discussion to a close may I finally ask if your view is that Islam is above questioning and criticism and indeed it should not be allowed?
 
Hugo - only one word to describe your attempts at putting islam under scrutiny - FAIL. I think you should move on and find another part of islam you can have a go at, your attempts of going into minor details of the quran and trying to find faults seem a bit desperate. The Quran is as we believe flawless, if any scriptures were to contain flaws, faults or contradictions they simply wouldn't be from god as god does not make mistakes, unlike how it is in your bible.

Fine. But all I pointed out was that the Qu'an was delivered in what looks like and was a haphazard fashion, in bits and pieces over 23 years. It was recorded as memories and on bits of wood and bone etc. I don't think any of that is in doubt. So it is a legitimate question why would God choose to do it in such a piecemeal way? You can still believe it is flawless, that is a matter of faith and evidence that convinces you but that will not make it unassailable truth - all that anyone else can do is put another point of view and frankly I cannot see that is a bad thing?
 
Fine. But all I pointed out was that the Qu'an was delivered in what looks like and was a haphazard fashion, in bits and pieces over 23 years. It was recorded as memories and on bits of wood and bone etc. I don't think any of that is in doubt. So it is a legitimate question why would God choose to do it in such a piecemeal way? You can still believe it is flawless, that is a matter of faith and evidence that convinces you but that will not make it unassailable truth - all that anyone else can do is put another point of view and frankly I cannot see that is a bad thing?

over 23 years doesn't = to haphazard in fact this question has been answered more than once on the previous page, the very word revelation denotes that it is revealed as needed. If you have doubts as to its flawlessness again I ask you to bring your evidence.. surely you must know by now as you have convinced yourself of something out of whims that if you have a desire for others to jump on your bandwagon that you too should be able to defend your theories?

So far you have brought us one cut and paste the best your petty theologians can come up and it was annihilated, are you afraid yo venture on that road again so you turn to your one trick which is always with the same empty assertion and expect that others should lap it up because you said it in such an authoritative fashion?
 
the Qu'an was delivered in what looks like and was a haphazard fashion, in bits and pieces over 23 years. It was recorded as memories and on bits of wood and bone etc. I don't think any of that is in doubt. So it is a legitimate question why would God choose to do it in such a piecemeal way?

For this, you need to put aside your pre-conceived notions of a book. Remember, this is a book like no other in the world. You consider it's revelation to be piecemeal and haphazard.

If Allah was to send a revelation down to people steeped in idolatry, what would make sense? Bamboozling them with verses on dietary laws and inheritance, or first revealing to them verses on Allah's oneness, and how He has no partners in His divinity?

Would it make sense to reveal a few verses for people to digest, understand and implement, and often, on various different occasions to reinforce the message?

Do you think it would make sense to have verses revealed first giving the very foundations of the faith, the Oneness of God, the Day of Resurrection etc and then once those foundations had been well understood, and applied, then later revealing verses on practicalities such as dietary laws, inheritance etc. Each verse being revealed exactly at the appropriate time.

Do you think it's wise to bamboozle people with verses on how to conduct oneself in conflict, 13 years before any conflict occurs, when they do not yet know the correct basic belief of their faith?

Allah is a far better educator of us than we are, and that is quite evident from the wise, Merciful, stepwise and organised way in which He, Glorified and Exalted be He, revealed the Qur'an.

may I finally ask if your view is that Islam is above questioning and criticism and indeed it should not be allowed?

I have repeatedly explained the purpose of this thread, and asked you to share any "knowledge" you may be privy to on the "haphazard" revelation of the Qur'an, which you seem desperate to share in your "questions", in another thread, and if anybody is interested, they will engage with you.

If you wish to enlighten us with the valuable "knowledge" you have discovered in this regard, please start another thread regarding this non-issue.

This thread is for you to ask questions, not for quibble and debate if you don't like the answers, and not for us to prove or substantiate what we believe as if having to justify ourselves!

We are explaining to you again and again, this thread is not the place to come if you want to disagree with or debate our beliefs. Please start another thread. .... but if you want to debate and enlighten us with your knowledge, please start another thread as repeatedly requested.

This thread is for you to ask questions as to what we believe on certain matters, not for us to have to justify ourselves as to why we believe something or to prove it.

I think I am saying this for the third or fourth time now, and I will say it yet again. This thread is not for you to debate with, scrutinize, cross-examine our beliefs, nor for us to have to prove them, submit them to you for your approval, or justify them.

As I have submitted to you already MANY times now, please start another thread, and if anybody has a burning desire to engage with you, they will.

To date you have not availed yourself of that opportunity.

So to bring this discussion to a close

I consider it closed.

Peace.
 
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For this, you need to put aside your pre-conceived notions of a book. Remember, this is a book like no other in the world. You consider it's revelation to be piecemeal and haphazard.
But surely you are no different to me, you have a preconceived notion that the Qu'ran is like no other book. Yet if I said to you that the Bible is like no other book you would likely object. Indeed one might argue that it was revealed in much the same way, a bit at a time but of course in that case there are many, many eyewitnesses not just one - do you agree?

But your arguments have some weight but if it was right then to get the revelation piecemeal why is it that you get it in one go now and that is deemed satisfactory? Also, those original group were a TINY minority and even then there was not a single eye witness to any of the revelation, no one saw or heard anything - does not that cause you some concern?


Allah is a far better educator of us than we are, and that is quite evident from the wise, Merciful, stepwise and organised way in which He, Glorified and Exalted be He, revealed the Qur'an.

You have a point but what bothers me here is that if what you say is true why is it that you rely so much on your scholars to make plain the revelation if God is the best of educators??

I have repeatedly explained the purpose of this thread, and asked you to share any "knowledge" you may be privy to on the "haphazard" revelation of the Qur'an, which you seem desperate to share in your "questions", in another thread, and if anybody is interested, they will engage with you.

I have repeatedly shared what I know, for example I have shared may examples of interpolation in the Qu'ran, I have shown from you own scholars how many words in the Qu'ran have meanings that cannot be ascertained with certainty but it seems you are unable to even to contemplate that such things can occur. If I may say so 'knowledge; for you it seems amounts to orthodox Islamic teaching - is that how it is?

But yes let close it off here as the gulf between our outlook on what is truth is I think unbridgeable but thank you for taking the time to post your answers.[/quote]
 
With the greatest of respect Grace seeker, I beielieve and I sure you do too that the dead sea scrolls do indeed speak of Jeus in Genises let us make man in OUR image; Psalms, Proverbs, Daniel and Isiah for example many times yes?

God Bless you
No, I don't believe that the Dead Sea Scrolls (nor for that matter the Tanakh) speak of Jesus. By that I mean that you could do a word search of every scroll found in the Qumran collection and every scroll of Jewish scriptures found throughout all of history and not once find the name "Jesus" (nor it's Hebrew counterpart, "Yeshua") ever occurring in any of these writings.

Now, if you are suggesting that when the books of the OT scriptures speak of God that such a reference is, by the very nature of who God is, an implicit reference to Jesus, I will not argue with your interpretation.

If you wish to pursue this rabbit trail and have a larger discussion of the DSS I am willing, but I suggest we take it to another thread as it has nothing to do with Islam.
 
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τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ;1319124 said:
Islam is perfect for it is the religion of God, Muslims aren't for creation is prune to err!

all the best

I accept that this is representative for all Muslims, and for that matter all aspects of Islam beyond the Qur'an itself. But if that is so, then how is it that Muslims appear to insist that the prophets of Islam are without sin? Is it that they are unable to disobey Allah or that they are able but perfectly obedient and therefore never do? Or have I perhaps misunderstood with regard to the perfection of the prophets? Are there ways in which they may have been less than perfect? For instance, prior to their call as prophets were they also perfect then?
 
I accept that this is representative for all Muslims, and for that matter all aspects of Islam beyond the Qur'an itself. But if that is so, then how is it that Muslims appear to insist that the prophets of Islam are without sin? Is it that they are unable to disobey Allah or that they are able but perfectly obedient and therefore never do? Or have I perhaps misunderstood with regard to the perfection of the prophets? Are there ways in which they may have been less than perfect? For instance, prior to their call as prophets were they also perfect then?

I believe I have answered this Q before multitudes of times does it pay repeating? Messengers are chosen by God, they don't commit sins and I don't see how you can begin to draw similarities between everyday folks and those picked for a specific purpose. Sorry I can't take it down a few notches to make allowable what your forefathers have done .. and again there is a difference between sins and making mistakes.. surely you know the difference?

perhaps it pays repeating that too?

Sin = Estrangement from god

Error = wrong action attributable to bad judgment or ignorance or inattention

all the best
 
You didn't answer this question: Is it that they are unable to disobey Allah or that they are able but perfectly obedient and therefore never do?

Nor this one: prior to their call as prophets were they also perfect then?

And though I have indeed heard the answer that Prophets don't sin (and that no claim is made that they might not err in judgment), what I still don't understand it is that Islam can recognize that all creation is prone to err, but then exclude prophets (a part of creation) from those who might err with regard to moral behaviors?
 
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You didn't answer this question: Is it that they are unable to disobey Allah or that they are able but perfectly obedient and therefore never do?

Nor this one: prior to their call as prophets were they also perfect then?

And though I have indeed heard the answer that Prophets don't sin (and that no claim is made that they might not err in judgment), what I still don't understand it is that Islam can recognize that all creation is prone to err, but then exclude prophets (a part of creation) from those who might err with regard to moral behaviors?

Peace Gene,

The simplist explanation is the easiest. I believe you are aware we revere Jesus(as) very similar to the way you do with the exception of his Divinity and death on the Cross. Our feelings and love of him is very similar and as intense as your love of him. We also believe all Prophets are equal. To think any Prophet would sin is tantamount to believing Jesus(as) would sin.
 
Peace Gene,

The simplist explanation is the easiest. I believe you are aware we revere Jesus(as) very similar to the way you do with the exception of his Divinity and death on the Cross. Our feelings and love of him is very similar and as intense as your love of him. We also believe all Prophets are equal. To think any Prophet would sin is tantamount to believing Jesus(as) would sin.
That's interesting.
The Biblical view seems quite different. All the prophets (Jesus obviously not included, since he is not considered a 'mere prophet'; Muhammed not included since he didn't live in Biblical times ...) are described as having human flaws, making mistakes committing sins - just like any other human being.

Grace Seeker's other question is an interesting one too. Is there any evidence in the Qu'ran whether the prophets were always perfect and without sin, or whether they became so once they were called to prophet hood by God?
Nor this one: prior to their call as prophets were they also perfect then?
 
This is the explanation on the topic (from Islamqa.com)


My question is about the Prophet( ). Some muslims believe that he was sinless while others say he was not. I personally dont think he was sinless cause he was just a human. Can u tell me which is true using Quran or Hadith, please? Thank you very much. Allahu Akbar

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly: the use of the word “sin” in the question is a grave mistake, because sin (khatee’ah, pl. khataayaa) is impossible in the case of the Messengers. It is more correct to say mistakes, because a mistake may be made unintentionally, which is not the case with sins.

Secondly: with regard to sins, the Messengers, including Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), never committed any sin intentionally as an act of disobedience towards Allaah after receiving their Mission (risaalah). This is according to the consensus of the Muslims. They were protected from major sins (kabaa’ir) but not from minor sins (saghaa’ir).

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The view that the Prophets were protected from major sins (kabaa’ir) but not from minor sins (saghaa’ir) is the view of the majority of the scholars of Islam and all the sects… It is also the view of the majority of the scholars of tafseer and hadeeth, and of the fuqahaa’. Nothing was reported from any of the Salaf, Imaams, Sahaabah, Taabi’een or the successive generation that does not agree with this view.

(Majmaa’ al-Fataawaa, 4/319).

This question was posed to the Standing Committee on this topic:

Question:

Some people, including the heretics, say that the Prophets and Messengers could make mistakes, i.e., they could make mistakes like all other people. They say that the first mistake ever made was when the son of Adam, Qaabeel, killed Haabeel… and when the two angels came to Dawood, he listened to the first and did not listen to what the second had to say… and the story of Yoonus when the big fish swallowed him; and the story of the Messenger with Zayd ibn Haarithah, they say that he concealed something which he should have declared openly; and with his Sahaabah, he told them, “You know better about your worldly affairs,” and they say that this is because he made a mistake in this regard; and what happened with the blind man, which is referred to in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning), “(The Prophet) frowned and turned away, because there came to him the blind man…” [‘Abasa 80:1-2]. Could the Prophets and Messengers really make mistakes? How can we respond to these sinners [who say these things]?

Answer:

Yes, the Prophets and Messengers made mistakes, but Allaah did not approve of their mistakes; rather, He pointed out their mistakes as a Mercy to them and their ummahs, and He forgave their mistakes and accepted their repentance as a Grace and Mercy, for Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. This will be clear to anyone who checks out the aayaat of the Qur’aan in which the matters raised in the question are discussed… With regard to the sons of Aadam, even though they were not Prophets… Allaah explained how evil was the deed which he did to his brother…

(Fataawaa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, no. 6290, 3/194).

Thirdly: before they were given their Mission (risaalah), the scholars have said that it is possible that they may have committed some minor sins, but they were protected from committing major sins such as zinaa, drinking wine, etc.

But after they received their Mission, the correct view is that they may have committed some minor mistakes but this was not approved of and they were rebuked.

Shaykh al-Islam [Ibn Taymiyah] said:

Most of the reports from the majority of scholars state that they were not infallible with regard to minor mistakes, but they were not allowed to persist in them; they do not say that this could never happen at all. The first suggestion that they were completely infallible came from the Raafidis, who say that they are so infallible that they could never make any mistake even by way of forgetfulness and misunderstanding.

(Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa, 4/320).

They are infallible with regard to conveying the Message from Allaah, may He be exalted.

Shaykh al-Islam [Ibn Taymiyah] (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The aayaat which indicate the Prophethood of the Prophets also indicate that they are infallible with regard to the conveying of the Message from Allaah; so what they say can only be true. This is the meaning of Prophethood, which implies that Allaah tells the Prophet something of the Unseen and he tells it to the people. And the Messenger is commanded to call the people to Allaah and to convey the message of his Lord.

(Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa, 18/7)

Fourthly: mistakes which are committed unintentionally are of two types:

With regard to worldly matters: this happened to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). With regard to agriculture, medicine, carpentry, etc., he was like all other people. Allaah did not tell us that he was sent to us as a businessman or a farmer or a carpenter or a doctor. His mistakes in these fields are quite natural and do not impact on his Message at all.

It was reported that Raafi’ ibn Khudayj said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to Madeenah, and they were pollinating the date-palms. He said, “What are you doing?” They said, “We always used to pollinate them.” He said, “Perhaps if you do not do that, it will be better.” So they did not do it, and the harvest was lacking. They mentioned that to him, and he said, “I am only a human being like you. If I tell you to do something with regard to religion, then follow it, but if I tell you to do something based on my own opinion, I am only a human being.” (narrated by Muslim, 2361).

We note that the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made a mistake in this worldly matter, because he was like all other human beings, but with regard to matters of religion he did not make mistakes.

With regard to unintentional mistakes concerning matters of religion:

The most correct view among the scholars is that the way this happened with regard to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is that he might do something which is OK but it was not the more appropriate choice.

He was sometimes faced with issues concerning which there was no shar’i text on which he could base his decision, so he sought to make ijtihaad based on his own opinion, just as any Muslim scholar may make ijtihaad, and if he makes the right decision, he will be given two rewards, and if he makes the wrong decision, he will still be given one reward. This is what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If the judge makes ijtihaad and gets it right, he will have two rewards, and if he makes ijtihaad and gets it wrong, he will have one reward.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6919; Muslim, 1716, from the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah).

This also happened to him concerning the prisoners of Badr.

Anas said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) consulted the people concerning the prisoners who had been captured on the day of Badr. He said, “Allaah has given you power over them.” ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, strike their necks [execute them]!” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned away from him. Then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came back and said, “O people, Allaah has given you power over them and they were your brothers.” ‘Umar stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, strike their necks [execute them]!” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned away from him. Then the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came back and said something similar to the people. Abu Bakr stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, why don’t you forgive them and accept payment of ransom from them?” The worried expression left the face of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he forgave them and accepted their payment of ransom. Then Allaah revealed the words (interpretation of the meaning):

“It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allaah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise” [al-Anfaal 8:67]

Narrated by Ahmad (13143).

We may note that in this case, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not have any clear text so he made ijtihaad and consulted his companions, and he made a mistake in deciding what was the best thing to do.

Cases like this are few in the Sunnah. We have to believe that the Messengers and Prophets are infallible, and we know that they did not disobey Allaah. We should also beware of the words of those who want to cast aspersions on his conveying of the Message by referring to the fact that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made some mistakes with regard to earthly matters. There is a huge difference between the former and the latter. We should also beware of those misguided people who say that some of the rulings of sharee’ah which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us about are his own personal ijtihaad which could be right or wrong. What would these misguided people say in response to the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning): “Nor does he speak of his own desire. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired” [al-Najm 53:3]? We ask Allaah to protect us from confusion and misguidance, And Allaah knows best.
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That's interesting.
The Biblical view seems quite different. All the prophets (Jesus obviously not included, since he is not considered a 'mere prophet'; Muhammed not included since he didn't live in Biblical times ...) are described as having human flaws, making mistakes committing sins - just like any other human being.

As we are all aware, the stories in the bible have been changed and corrupted, so the bible did not portray the true and accurate stories of the prophets.
 
That's interesting.
The Biblical view seems quite different. All the prophets (Jesus obviously not included, since he is not considered a 'mere prophet'; Muhammed not included since he didn't live in Biblical times ...) are described as having human flaws, making mistakes committing sins - just like any other human being.
Biblical views hold no credibility in islam as I'm sure you're aware, the amount of filthy and unholy verses found in bible give it no respect from me

Other members have said that people we consider as prophets such as prophet Ibrahim, Lut, Nuh are not considered prophets in christianity

Then it seems people we consider prophets have commited major sins in the bible, such as prophet Lut getting drunk and commiting incest and prophet Jesus commanding murder of pregnant women and children, no way can a prophet commit such sins.
 
As we are all aware, the stories in the bible have been changed and corrupted, so the bible did not portray the true and accurate stories of the prophets.

Biblical views hold no credibility in islam as I'm sure you're aware, the amount of filthy and unholy verses found in bible give it no respect from me
Greetings, brothers

I am fully aware of the differences in Islamic and Christian thinking on this matter.
I was merely pointing the fact out.

Aaadil, I am going to pm you.
 
You didn't answer this question: Is it that they are unable to disobey Allah or that they are able but perfectly obedient and therefore never do?
Nor this one: prior to their call as prophets were they also perfect then?
That is something you have to ask God.. I would certainly think that they have good natures all along and as such were chosen.. as the Arabic adage goes .. 'inas awlthoum akhrthoum'' people usually live and are brought up on their nature.. Abu Bakr never liked drinking and as such when the prohibitions were made, it made perfect sense to him, he didn't like drinking before and he complied with divine commands after so draw your own conclusions!

And though I have indeed heard the answer that Prophets don't sin (and that no claim is made that they might not err in judgment), what I still don't understand it is that Islam can recognize that all creation is prone to err, but then exclude prophets (a part of creation) from those who might err with regard to moral behaviors?

Again error and sin are different things and I believe I gave a prime example before.. if it pays to repeat it, when the prophet PBUH made an error in judgment the villagers had a crop failure.. it is a matter of worldliness of which he wasn't aware.. the same way your god wasn't aware that the trees didn't bear fruits and cursed them..
committing a sin would be what you attribute to Lut.. i.e he is sent to warn against sins of the flesh and yet commits equally lewd sins of the flesh..

hope this time we are clear!

all the best
 
Biblical views hold no credibility in islam as I'm sure you're aware, the amount of filthy and unholy verses found in bible give it no respect from me
This is a rather curious idea - does the Qu'ran NEVER describe sin, tell us what it is or are we left to guess? Surely, you cannot think that when sinful acts are described the Bible is recommending them?

Other members have said that people we consider as prophets such as prophet Ibrahim, Lut, Nuh are not considered prophets in Christianity. Then it seems people we consider prophets have commited major sins in the bible, such as prophet Lut getting drunk and commiting incest and prophet Jesus commanding murder of pregnant women and children, no way can a prophet commit such sins.

It is true that the Bible records sins against the prophets - why is this unacceptable in Islam? If they did not commit sin then does that mean they are guaranteed a place in heaven since they have no sins to atone for? I cannot recall this bit about Jesus commanding murder, can you give us a reference?
 
As we are all aware, the stories in the bible have been changed and corrupted, so the bible did not portray the true and accurate stories of the prophets.

I am not aware of this, can you offer some evidence? Do you have say a copy of the Bible before it was allegedly corrupted so we can check?
 

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