Things in Islam I am curious about...

To my friends who have recently turned this into a debate thread....

There are so many threads on this board where we argue with one another about what is and is not so. When I started this particular thread it was with another intent. It really was about simply trying to gain information about those things which I (and perhaps also you) might be curious about.

Having read the Quran and other books about Islam, and having been on these boards a short period of time there are many things I have learned about Islam. Some I agree with, some I don't. Much I respect. A few things I am still leary of.

And then there are those things that I still don't fully understand, or at least don't understand the reasoning behind them. (Perhaps for some there is none; maybe it is just what is commanded.)
I had hoped that such an introduction would set the tone for this thread. And, graciously, it has held up for more than 2 years. However, when we move beyond that which we are curious about, to that which we dispute my thought is that perhaps those question are best asked in their own thread where people can focus on the specific issue being raised. For that reason, I ask that non-Muslims posting in this thread respect the original intent of this thread and use it for asking questions about those points which one has not already reached some sort of conclusion but actually seeks more information. And those Muslims who respond might help us non-Muslims to stay so focused by answering the questions that are actually ask without promoting additional debate by interjecting responses to things that are beyond the scope of the actual questions being asked.

My thanks to all who already cooperate with this endeavor and respect the original intent of this thread.
 
I'm curious as to whether some of the different schools of Islamic jurisprudence might happen to be reflective of regional cultural differences or if they are more rooted in theological points of view?
 
I'm curious as to whether some of the different schools of Islamic jurisprudence might happen to be reflective of regional cultural differences or if they are more rooted in theological points of view?

the schools of thought are specifically law schools,- nothing to do with theology as Islamic theology is preety simple and easy to understand.
 
Last edited:
the schools of thought are specifically law schools,- nothing to do with theology as Islamic theology is preety simple and easy to understand.


I thought that these schools of jurisprudence were where the various interpretations arose that have some people thinking that women must be fully covered head to toe with not even an eye slit, while others feel it is sufficient to merely wear a scarf from which even hair sometimes shows beneath it. If that is not so, without getting into which view is right and which is wrong, can you explain the process by which these different sorts of interpretations arose and any connection they might have to any of the following: (a) the different schools of jurisprudence, (b) belonging to different sects within Islam, (c) particular cultural patterns in a general geographic area that are not actually religious in nature but based in other aspects of that culture, (d) personal opinion, (e) something else I'm missing completely.


(BTW, the issue is not about the use of the veil, but of how it is that different interpretations are arrived at and supported by people who I am sure are all equally devoted to living an Islamic life, but understand what that looks like differently.)
 
Last edited:
I'm curious as to whether some of the different schools of Islamic jurisprudence might happen to be reflective of regional cultural differences or if they are more rooted in theological points of view?

Do you mean the 4 madzhabs which are the Hanafi, Maliki, Syafi'ie and Hanbali? Ok, they are more to Jurispundence, but we still can pray in any mosque in any place. The way of praying is all the same. My country is following the Syafi'ie school of Jurispundence, but there are also Muslim Indians in my country who follow Hanafi school of Jurispundence, we still have the same basic Creed. We pray in each other mosques and there are no differences except for the languages used to preach the sermon during Friday Prayer :).

We do not have sacraments as in Christian Churches. We may pray individually or in congregation where there are Muslim community. About wearing the hijab, it is stated in Quran, anything that is obviously mentioned in Quran should be followed without any compromise.

Our local culture is different from the religion. The culture may be ungodly, but Islam never prevent us to practice cultural things that are not crossing the line of Quran and Sunna (prophet tradition). As an example, I am a Malay. Historically, my people are Hindus and Buddhists since the 1st AD, you still can see the remnants of them in Bali or in Thailand, although Balinese are different tribe, but their culture is almost similar to us. The culture like in Malay wedding ceremony is inherited from Hindu-Buddhism past, majority of Muslims in my country now had long leaving the practices after learning the religion in depth. Also the cultural things in our Monarchy system, were inherited from Hindu-Buddhism past although the kings had already embraced Islam centuries ago.

In the matter of Creed, the 4 madzhabs never have any differences like Christian sects. We solely following our scripture, that G-d is One. No incarnations of G-d. The 4 imams of the 4 madzhabs never have any differences in Theology.
 
I thought that these schools of jurisprudence were where the various interpretations arose that have some people thinking that women must be fully covered head to toe with not even an eye slit, while others feel it is sufficient to merely wear a scarf from which even hair sometimes shows beneath it. If that is not so, without getting into which view is right and which is wrong, can you explain the process by which these different sorts of interpretations arose and any connection they might have to any of the following: (a) the different schools of jurisprudence, (b) belonging to different sects within Islam, (c) particular cultural patterns in a general geographic area that are not actually religious in nature but based in other aspects of that culture, (d) personal opinion, (e) something else I'm missing completely.


(BTW, the issue is not about the use of the veil, but of how it is that different interpretations are arrived at and supported by people who I am sure are all equally devoted to living an Islamic life, but understand what that looks like differently.)

The order of wearing the veil by women is due to G-d's order from Quran:

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.

(the meaning of Surah an-Nur 24:31)

The 59th verse of Surah al-Ahzab says,

Those who harass believing men and believing women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a grievous sin. O Prophet! Enjoin your wives, your daughters, and the wives of true believers that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad) That is most convenient, that they may be distinguished and not be harassed. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

We call it as Aurat or the parts that should be covered. Not only women are ordered to cover their parts of body but also men. Women must cover their whole body except their face and two palms. Men, from their belly-button down to their knees.

The wearing of veil differs from region to region. But I personally think, it is better for women to cover their whole body except their face and palms like they go to pray whenever they are outside their house. It represent their dignity, and of course they should do it because of faith and not because of forced. I'm sure they won't feel any burden to it. As for men, I think they too should cover their body in a complete manner as to respect others.

Finally, G-d knows well.
 
I don't want to interrupt this with debate so just a few answers to questions:

Greykode - 'Follower, since you can talk to the Holy spirit, can you please record for us what it sounds like?
Or at least pray to the holy spirit to talk to me.'


You have to believe it is possible first, if you are sincere.


Zaphran - 'Thats your interpretation again - what about the covering of the womens head?'

There is a separate thread on this going on right now.

Zaphran -'this is hypocricy what about Moses pbuh and the Angel he saw?'

LOL! Zaphran, there are things that witness for Moses. The burning bush story does not end at Exodus 3- read Exodus 4:

Exodus 4

1 Moses answered, "What if they do not believe me or listen to me and say, 'The LORD did not appear to you'?"
2 Then the LORD said to him, "What is that in your hand?"
"A staff," he replied.

3 The LORD said, "Throw it on the ground."
Moses threw it on the ground and it became a snake, and he ran from it. 4 Then the LORD said to him, "Reach out your hand and take it by the tail." So Moses reached out and took hold of the snake and it turned back into a staff in his hand. 5 "This," said the LORD, "is so that they may believe that the LORD, the God of their fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has appeared to you."
6 Then the LORD said, "Put your hand inside your cloak." So Moses put his hand into his cloak, and when he took it out, it was leprous, like snow.

7 "Now put it back into your cloak," he said. So Moses put his hand back into his cloak, and when he took it out, it was restored, like the rest of his flesh.

8 Then the LORD said, "If they do not believe you or pay attention to the first miraculous sign, they may believe the second. 9 But if they do not believe these two signs or listen to you, take some water from the Nile and pour it on the dry ground. The water you take from the river will become blood on the ground."

'Abd-al Latif- Start with the Gospel
 
Last edited:
Salaam

good answers MalayloveIslam

Follower - you gave me miracles - prophet Muhammad pbuh did miracles that people witnessed 1 - did anyone see the Angel that Moses pbuh saw? The Quran also states those miracles of Moses pbuh.

Mircales of prophet Muhammad pbuh

1 - The Quran

2 - the splitting of the moon - 54:1 - "The hour drew nigh and the moon did rend asunder "

3 - Food Multiplication:

Jabir reported: My father had died in debt. So I came to the Prophet and said, "My father (died) leaving unpaid debts, and I have nothing except the yield of his date palms; and their yield for many years will not cover his debts. So please come with me, so that the creditors may not misbehave with me." The Prophet went round one of the heaps of dates and invoked (Allah), and then did the same with another heap and sat on it and said, "Measure (for them)." He paid them their rights and what remained was as much as had been paid to them.

4 - Water Multiplication:

`Abdullah reported: We used to consider miracles as Allah's Blessings, but you people consider them to be a warning. Once we were with Allah's Messenger on a journey, and we ran short of water. He said, "Bring the water remaining with you." The people brought a utensil containing a little water. He placed his hand in it and said, "Come to the blessed water, and the Blessing is from Allah." I saw the water flowing from among the fingers of Allah's Messenger, and no doubt, we heard the meal glorifying Allah, when it was being eaten (by him). (Reported by al-Bukhari)


These are some of the signs for people to witness the prophethood of Muhammad pbuh
 
Last edited:
About wearing the hijab, it is stated in Quran, anything that is obviously mentioned in Quran should be followed without any compromise.


The order of wearing the veil by women is due to G-d's order from Quran:

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.

(the meaning of Surah an-Nur 24:31)
Understood. But I find people, who each claims to be a sincere follower of Islam, having different ways of practicing this. Some do as you say:
Women must cover their whole body except their face and two palms.

But many do not feel that this is the standard, that it is enough to simply wear the head scarf and modest clothing. But their form of modesty might include bar arms, not just palms. Or one might be able to see not just the face but also parts of the neck. Sometimes open toed shoes might be worn so that part of the foot is visible or even the ankle. And all of this by women who understand their actions to be in accordance with keeping the Qur'an for they have no desire to violate it. And then at the other end you have those who feel that not only are they to be covered, but don't consider what you described as sufficient and go so far as to insist on wearing a burka.

So, in Afghanistan a devout Afghan Muslim wears a burka, but in Turkey a devout Turkish woman wears a tesettür. Both do so in order to keep the text you cited, but their different understanding of what that requires results in different practices.

My question is (hoping I can frame it better than I have thus far) what is the source of these different understandings of what is or isn't necessary to satisfy the command to be covered?
 
So, in Afghanistan a devout Afghan Muslim wears a burka, but in Turkey a devout Turkish woman wears a tesettür. Both do so in order to keep the text you cited, but their different understanding of what that requires results in different practices.

My question is (hoping I can frame it better than I have thus far) what is the source of these different understandings of what is or isn't necessary to satisfy the command to be covered?

The two countreis you have named - just study whats happening in these countries will give you an answer

1 - Turkey - the most secularist muslims state one earth
2 - Afganishtan have a similar culture as the saudis do - thats how one person put it.
 
As from what I understand about music different scholars have different views. The things I understand and have read are that :
* Instruments apart from drums are haram
* Music isn't haram unless it leads to stress, negative actions and promoting negative ways of life like drugs etc
* Singing is not haram (I don't think) in the absence of instruments
However I know a lot of muslims that listen to music and some who don't
 
The two countreis you have named - just study whats happening in these countries will give you an answer

1 - Turkey - the most secularist muslims state one earth
2 - Afganishtan have a similar culture as the saudis do - thats how one person put it.


Yes, I know that one is considered strictly observant and the other is considered liberal. But, again, I'm not asking an evaluation of their respective degrees of obedience. From my own personal knowledge I know that those who might be considered as liberal (or secular if you prefer that term) in the eyes of some still are just as devout in their heart. Their desire to live a life of Islam is no less than anyone else. No Saudi or Afghan can say that they are more sincere in their devotion. What they can say is that, in their identical desires to keep Islam, they nonetheless have different understandings as to the expections of what exactly is required of them.

So, simply saying that one is more secular is not enough to answer the question. That is to cast an evaluation on their devoutness. But when equally devout people have different standards there must be more behind it. Can anyone help me to understand how these different standards are arrived at for I assume that both are true Muslims.
 
Although in certain countries, women are required to wear Chador or Burqa, but there are Muslim women in several countries that just wearing veil as fashion like in my country and no law enforcement to it. Veil is also a symbol of a woman's faith and dignity not just a kind of fashion.

In Malaysia, youngsters wear short veil that just cover their head that's not covering their chest and wearing tight shirts or showing their arms. I can see this in my family too, but I never force them while always reminding them to wear loose and long shirt with veil whenever they encounter people who are not their mahram (person allowed to marry them). Sometimes they don't cover their head when my brother-in-law comes by, that I always remind them to cover up although we are at home. I guess the same thing too happened in Lebanon, Egypt, and Indonesia.

In early 70's, where religious knowledge is not so wide-spread like today, women are divided into two. Those who wearing veil and not wearing veil. Some women are wearing Sunnah style of veil which is a long loose veil with long and loose clothes when they are outside their house.

gadistudung1-1.jpg


Sorry for the picture, I tried to avoid pictures of human, but I can't avoid myself from showing the example to Western friends.
 
Malayloveislam, would you agree that each of those groups that you spoke of have women in them who are very devout Muslims? It is my understanding that the particlular style or size of veil that one wears cannot be used as indicative of one's level of sincerety with regard to Isalm. Would you agree?
 
Last edited:
Malayloveislam, would you agree that each of those groups that you spoke of have women in them who are very devout Muslims? It is my understanding that the particlular style or size of veil that one wears can be used as indicative of one's level of sincerety with regard to Isalm. Would you agree?

You have to understand the heart is the main key to sincerty which humans have no idea about - the veil takes courage and knowledge to wear especially in the age we are living in. The Veils are meant to be worn simply because the person believes God commands it - thats the real reason of wearing the veil. As muslims we also believe that God commands to humans are all beneficial.

peace
 
You have to understand the heart is the main key to sincerty which humans have no idea about - the veil takes courage and knowledge to wear especially in the age we are living in. The Veils are meant to be worn simply because the person believes God commands it - thats the real reason of wearing the veil. As muslims we also believe that God commands to humans are all beneficial.

peace

Indeed I do understand. I was wondering if perhaps you either didn't understand or perhaps simply disagreed with my post above. Then I saw that I left out one little word -- "not", but of course that changed the whole meaning of my post.

Would you do me the favor of reflecting on it again as it has been corrected, please.
 
Malayloveislam, would you agree that each of those groups that you spoke of have women in them who are very devout Muslims? It is my understanding that the particlular style or size of veil that one wears cannot be used as indicative of one's level of sincerety with regard to Isalm. Would you agree?

Yes - but its up to the person to understand how important it is and why it should be worn.
 
Yes - but its up to the person to understand how important it is and why it should be worn.

OK. But given that it is not just individuals, but whole groups of individuals who together have different understandings, how is it that those differences emerged?

Was it cultural?
Different schools of interpretation regarding the actual meaning of the Qur'an?
Different schools of jurisprudence regarding the application of the Qur'an?
Something else?

Maybe you can't define it or don't know.
 
Veil is not cultural, it is religious, and it is not me with the authority for the evaluation about the degree of sincerity of a person's faith. Certain fashions of veil today are cultural, but the requirements of wearing the veil is in the scripture. Even when a women and a men is in prayers (in front of G-d), they should cover up well their Aurat and that is called as Aadab (manner). The checker of the faith is in the Glorious Quran. A person may want to check their degree of faith in Quran and Hadiths.

There is no difference in our school of Jurispundence, the methods and approach that they used in explaining the acts of worship came straightly from Sunnah (prophet tradition). Muslims may choose to follow (taqlid) in any of those schools, but we are adviced to learn first about everything, not blindly put our taqlid on them and we have guides to follow those school of jurispundence. Those Imams of the 4 madzhabs are knowledgable in religious studies and scholars, we are just civilians so that is why we follow certain schools. They are known as Salafus-Salihin, the generation of the follower after the companions.

This is based from an Islamic blog:

Finally, due to His Love to His prophet, thus Allah had His Willing that all of his Sunnah (acts of prophet) will be followed by the humans near the dooms day (his follower). This is how those 4 madzhabs arise. Some of the non-principal matters but are actually under the Sunnah are slightly different. They have the verses and hadith proofs for those acts.

As an example: in the school that I follow now which is Syafi'ie, during the last salutation in prayers (tahiyyat aakher), we will sit in a posture where our body is a bit slanting to the right. Actually this happened because prophet (pbuh) is praying while he is not well at that particular time. So actually the prophet sit in that posture. The posture then is followed by the muslims of Syafi'ie school. Muslims of other schools only sit like always. But that doesn't means that Syafi'ie madzhab is wrong or other madzhab is wrong because they trace back the practices from prophet (pbuh) himself but in different situation.

Other examples, if we go to Mecca, we will see people pray in slightly differences, all of them came from the acts of prophet (pbuh). Maybe they followed the prophet (pbuh) while washing his head by dipping the head until it turns all wet in ablution, some Muslims just touching their head with a little bit of water, might be at the time of prophet (pbuh), the water is scarce and etc.

As G-d wants prophet's (pbuh) acts exist till now, so we can see them in those four schools of jurispundence today.

We do not kill each other just because the difference happened and we never treat people who follow other school of jurispundence differently because there is actually no difference. We are still the Ahlus-Sunna-wal-Gama'a (the people who follow prophet's acts). And we can't just blindly following anything without valid proofs from hadiths and from Quranic verses or learning by ourselves about particular things.

It is favorable for us to follow the acts of prophet (pbuh). Prophet (pbuh) companions are all following the acts of prophet (pbuh) and that is why they've got the title pleased by G-d (check in Juzz Amma, if I'm not mistaken).

In the Hadith Qudsi (Holy Hadith), it is stated that Quran will be preserved by G-d along the period till the end of the world and G-d will grant the merits for those who practicing and keeping the Sunnah of His beloved one (the prophet) as He grants the merits for 100 martyrs. This is the proof of His Great Love to the prophet (pbuh).

This is what He said to us:

"A step I'M closer to you, thousand steps you are closer to ME..."

The Sunnah of His beloved one (the prophet) will only disappear when the time come where there is no Muslim anymore and all of the human being corpses, when He took the life of angels, and everything is destructed including mosques, Kaaba, mountains, heavens, earth, and etc and made them fly like light feathers (Surah al-Qaari'ah 101:1-11).

http://keretamayat.blogspot.com/2006/02/kenapa-wujudnya-mazhab.html

http://www.bicaramuslim.com/bicara7/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4761
 
Last edited:
I notice that there might be lack of Islamic knowledge in depth books being written by the natives in the English speaking countries like the US, the UK, Australia, so here is some glance to them. Hope they help you to understand and hope you don't mind with a way long post :D

The limit of Aurat in Islam

Hadith :

narrated by Abu said al-Khudri r.a, it is reported that Rasulullah s.a.w bersabda:"A man can't see the hidden parts of another man, and so do a woman can't see the hidden parts of another woman. A man can be in a blanket with another man without shirts but a woman can not be in a blanket with another woman in a blanket without shirts."

Explanation:

Clothes is among the necessity for human. Physically, clothes protecting human's skin, but spiritually it is the symbol of dignity and nobility. The Islamic way of Life defines that Aurat (certain body parts) is an obligatory to be hidden and should be respected from being seen.

According to the majority of Muslim scholars, it is obligatory for men and women to keep their Aurat whether in prayers or outside the prayers. In the whole, the four madzhabs of Islamic jurispundence which are the Hanafi, Maliki, Syafi'ie, and Hanbali have specifically fixing that the parts that should be hidden by men is from their belly-button and their knees while the women should hide their whole body except their face and two palms according to the strong proof from Quranic verse and Sunnah.

Why men and women should hide their mentioned body parts?

In discussing this question about the manner of attire and its relation with sexual crimes, sexual crimes is seen as the act that obviously violates the equality rule in Islam, so the attire code should be closely obeyed by men and women in Islam.

The solution for the interaction between men and women must return back to the practices with understanding based from the valid basis of Islam.
The basis are:

1. The relation among human between men and women must be based from the basis of brotherhood, full of respect, and helping each other toward faith and fear (love) of G-d.

2. Moral responsibility is both on the shoulder of men and women in a community. The proof is in the verse 30 - 31 Surah an-Nur with a tight emphasize on verse 30 for a faithful man as it balances the emphasize that had been given to women. Men have full responsibility to prevent their desires and controlling their mind through the way taught by the prophet (pbuh).

3. The clarity about these basic matters like what is beauty and aurat, especially among women in Islam today. Aurat covers the parts of human which is related to the reproduction system.

Beauty is divided two, which is the bestial beauty and the human's beauty. The bestial beauty is focused over the parts of reproduction system. We can see that animals like goat and cow who do not have to cover their Aurat with their genitals exposed to attract the couple that will later bring copulation or intimate relation which will produce descendants. This is a survival process in animal kingdom. Who is the most beautiful will get the chance to be breed. As so, we can understand why animals like baboons are with red back, and why male peacocks are with dazzling colorful feathers.

As for human, we evaluate beauty through the view of humanity and the view of G-d. Humanly beauty is only granted to human with high and noble moral stage. The concept of Aurat had already introduced since the creation of first human, Adam which human closing reproduction parts due to the lineage system of human must be protected and managed well.

Human naturally feels embarrased when the Aurat is exposed. It is normal and natural and exist in human soul. The bestial beauty of human is changed to the humanly beauty with the elements of modesty. When will our bestial beauty shows up? During intimate relationship with valid couple in the bedroom as a survival process of human legacy.

It would not be surprising if illegal relationship or couplation will eventually happen (with consent or without consent) if there are men and women in the public exposing their bestial beauty. In that time, the behavior of a human is no difference at all with an animal.

4. Muslim women must correct their intention. They are keeping their Aurat in order to keep the importance of men's faith. The responsibility of keeping and increasing the faith is everyone's responsibility. The same thing too happen to men, when they keep their Aurah in order to help women's keeping their faith. When a man and a woman keeping their Aurat according to what had been prescribed, they should also make a niyya (intention), that they are keeping everyone's faith. Muslim women are not only wearing veil not because of guarding themselves from evil eyes of men, but also obeying the order of G-d, which of course consist lots of Wisdom and Benefits.

Aurat represent faith and fear (love) toward G-d. We Muslims are not keeping the women but shielding their dignity due to faith and fear (love) to G-d. We are not taking alcohol and do not take pork due to our faith to G-d and His prophet (pbuh).

Sometimes, we have to find scientific explanation through researches to support our faith, but there are several Liberal Thinking Muslims or others who do not agree with our "theory". An an example: the relation between Aurat and Rape cases. When we say that keeping the Aurat may decrease rape crimes, but there are also many documents and researches piled in front of us due to they do not believe in the Wisdom of G-d. By keeping their Aurat, the chance for Satans to deceive men from violate the dignity of women will not be so intense. That is among the Wisdom of G-d Who is the One responsible to protect His slaves. In the same time, the effort of increasing the faith and the fear toward the punishment from G-d and His wrath must be implanted in ones heart. Through that way, our community will be guaranteed from the violation of rights and any form of crime could be avoided.

All right, let us see what is Aurat?

Aurat is a word from Arabic means shame or disgrace. According to Islamic Jurispundence terminological meaning, it means parts of body that must be covered or hidden from the view of certain people according to categories.
In Islam, there are few circumstances where Muslims are allowed to show their Aurat.

The Order to Cover the Aurat

As what Allah says in the meaning of Surah al-Ahzab 33:33
And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.

From the verse, we obviously can see that the order of covering the Aurat is obligatory as other orders in religion such as performing prayers, tithe, and others. Muslim woman are easily known from their veil and it prevents them from being disturbed by those who are searching for the opportunity for their lust. Other Muslim men who see them being disturbed will quickly react to protect the Muslim woman dignity. A woman who keep their Aurat too are easily known. If they simply displaying their Aurat, they are too trying to determine men disturbing them. Thus, improper things happen, slanders about their selves will arise in community.

Allah further says in the meaning of Surah al-Ahzab 33:59

O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Islam outlines the limit of Aurat of men and women. The basis of men's Aurat is from their belly-button down to their two knees. While for women, they are required to cover their whole body with loose clothes except for their faces and two palms. Men can always wear towel like cloth, like you see in Pharaoh's painting as long as the towel like cloth is covering from the belly-button down to two knees and as long as they don't mind. But for women, there are few differences such as:

1. Aurat while Praying

The Aurat of women while praying is their whole body except their face and two palms.

2. Aurat while Alone

The Aurat of women while they are alone, is between their belly-button down to their two knees. This means that they just have to cover the parts from their belly-button down to their knees when they are alone.

3. Aurat while with their Mahram

Basically the Aurat of women when they are with their Mahram is between their belly-button down to their knees. However, women are ordered to close the parts that could stimulate men's desire even the men are their own Mahram. This matter is to keep the manner and protecting their own dignity from improper things. That is why the long loose cloth covering the body is adviced even when a woman is with her male Mahram.

Who are the Mahram of a woman in Islam?

1. Their husband
2. Their father
3. Paternal and Maternal Grandfather
4. Father-in-Law
5. Sons
6. Grandsons and Granddaughters
7. The sons and daughters of husband, their stepson and stepdaughter. In Islam, a stepmother must treat the children of her husband as her own because they are considered as her own children.
8. Their blood brothers
9. Their nephews
10. Their nephews who are the sons of their sisters
11. All of Muslim women or those who are related to the Muslim women
12. Their servants
13. Castrated male servants
14. Little children who has no lust nor desire toward sexual attraction and still not reaching puberty. However, a woman must cover her parts to children who are still under puberty but having the lust.

Al-Quran explained this in the meaning of Surah an-Nur verse 24:31

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss (Success).

Honorable Imam Syafi'ie who is the Imam of Syafi'ie Madzhab suggested that, the ornaments in the above verse may be divided into two meanings:

1. natural ornaments such as face, cheeks, lips, mouth, nose, legs, thighs, and other parts.

2. ornaments such as make-up, clothes, ring, necklace, bangle, and etc.

Muslims are reminded to control themselves and not exceeding the limit highlighted in Quran and Sunnah including in the matter of ornaments and attire.

What are the Aurats of a woman in front of a non-Mahram (foreign men)?

They are obliged to cover their parts in front of non-Mahram as to protect their dignity from improper slanders and protecting them from evil eyes of foreign men. A woman with improper attire may attract the lust of men due to what they had seen from the exposed parts of a woman. I had experienced my friends who are also Muslim like me might say, even if the woman is totally covered with blanket too, those men with great lust will still imagining the women or making them naked in their imagination. Now, we have to question them. How does that happened? There are many places selling Porn DVD, even they are freely circulated in my country and in my varsity. Who are the actors in the Porn DVD? Aren't they both naked women and men?

A married woman too will help their husband when they fulfill the obligation where actually a husband whose wife displaying her Aurat will have to bear the burden of sin. The sins of his wife is on the husband's shoulder because it is his responsibility to guard his wife dignity. That is why women should understand the limit of Aurats when they are in front of particular persons in different circumstances.

Aurat of a Muslim woman in front of non-Muslim woman

A Muslim woman must cover her whole body except her face and two palms when she is mingling with non-Muslim women.
Prophet (pbuh) is reported by Abdullah Ben Abbas as saying: "It is not legal for a Muslim woman being seen by a Jew and a Christian." It also covers all the un-believers not only Jewish and Christians.

The Aurat of a woman with her husband

When a woman is with her husband in the place hidden from others view, Islam has made the law easy for them. There is no Aurat limit between them. The wife may wear what she please in front of her husband, so do the husband.

Mu'awiyah bin Haidah said: "I had asked the messenger of G-d (pbuh), 'O messenger of G-d, how about our Aurat, can they be seen by others?'." The prophet answered: "Keep your Aurat except in front of your wife and your servants." I asked him further: "O messenger of G-d, how about if people bathing together in the public? He answered me: "Try as hard as you can to keep your Aurat from being seen by others and also try as hard as you can not to see others'." I asked him more: "O messenger of G-d, how about if a person is showering alone?" He answered: "You should be more embarrased to G-d than others." (Narrated Hadith by Imam Ahmad and Abu Daud)

The last answer indicates that we still have to cover when we are alone because He is always seeing us no matter if there are people around or not although there is no specific rule of attire when we are showering alone. It also applies to other acts or when we are thinking of committing evil acts.
 
Last edited:

Similar Threads

Back
Top