Things in Islam I am curious about...

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

Really? Adopted children aren't considered legal heirs?

no . If a Muslim parent die without making any will , then their biological kids will get the property . If they want to give adopted kids a share , then they must mentioned it in the will and that must not be more than 1/3 of the property.

 

[Grace Seeker]

I'm also surprised to see in the one story that the man's wife would get only 1/4th and that if there were no surviving Muslims to inherit, that the rest doesn't go to the woman, but to some other fund. Wouldn't this cause a great hardship on many women who, without surviving relatives to assist them, would be made destitute by such a policy? She is even forced out of her house to accomodate this ruling. I suppose this would not be enforcable except under Sharia law. In a Sharia society, who would enforce this? And how would the woman, if made destitute, be cared for?

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

She is even forced out of her house to accomodate this ruling.

women get property from father , mother , husband , in some cases from brother . what she earns belong to her only and there is no religious burden on her to spend for anyone , not even for herself. So , what she gets , she can save all .

Also no one should force her to go to street. If somehow she is really poor , then it's duty of her rich family members , friends to financially help her by giving zakat money and charity.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Also no one should force her to go to street. If somehow she is really poor , then it's duty of her rich family members , friends to financially help her by giving zakat money and charity.

Whether intended or not, isn't that the result of the law. Let's just take the situation that happened in Haiti. She is the sole surviving member of her family, all else were killed in the earthquake. (It doesn't have to be major national disaster though, I have a simialr situation in my community presently with a family killed in a home fire.) The law, as I understand it from the website you linked, would give her only 1/4 of the propery of and the rest would go this the fund they mentioned. For a poor family, there are not likely to be any rich family members to help. Why should she have to turn to them anyway? Why, if she is the sole surviving member of her family, should she not be able to keep all of the property of her family rather than just 1/4? This seems very unequitable. If it was just the husband who had survived, why should he be entitled to a larger portion of the family's property than the wife?

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

.... Whether intended or not, isn't that the result of the law

I don't understand . If she has 1/4 right over the property , then how one can force her to leave the res ? Residence is included in property.

why should he be entitled to a larger portion of the family's property than the wife?

as already mentioned , men must spend for family members . So , when father dies , son get double than his sister

Daughter in law is not entitled to get share in father in law's property.

So , if somehow all members of in laws die , then to my knowledge , she will get her due share from her husband's property only. Other shares will go to fahter in law or mother in laws relatives like bro , sis , cousins , her husband's cousins .

If they are dead , then cousins children will get it. It means property will remain among one's own family members and won't go to daughter in law's family.

I hope , I am not giving any wrong info here .

And God knows Best.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Salaam/Peace



I don't understand . If she has 1/4 right over the property , then how one can force her to leave the res ? Residence is included in property.

Because, if I read the link correctly, the home must be sold in order to comply with the mandatory distribution of the other 3/4 of the inheritance:

the remaining inheritance will be deposited in the Bait Mal al-Muslimeen (treasury of Muslims) provided it is trustworthy and acts according to Shari'a. If there is no such a Bait al-Mal, then it should be given to needy and poor people or spent in the interest of Muslims.

To deposit the remaining inheritance you must convert it into cash or some other sort of equity that can be deposited. You cannot deposit a house.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

Because, if I read the link correctly, the home must be sold .

pl. give me the link of the ans. I have to confirm with other scholar. Thanks.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Salaam/Peace



pl. give me the link of the ans. I have to confirm with other scholar. Thanks.

You're the one who gave it to me in your post. But, here it is.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

You're the one who gave it to me in your post. But, here it is.

I had a quick look . It says ..........inheritance of the dead (mentioned in your question), including his share in the house should be divided into four shares.

The wife will take one-fourth of the inheritance and the 'Asabah (male blood relatives) of the dead will take the remaining inheritance if they are Muslims. If there are no male blood-relatives, the remaining inheritance will be deposited in the Bait Mal al-Muslimeen (treasury of Muslims)


It does not say that house must be sold out. Also to my knowledge , in that case , wife can take the house and give up her share in other property . My brother in law died 2 years back . They don't have any kid . My sister in law got the house and gave up her share in lands outside the city .

 

[Grace Seeker]

It does not say that house must be sold out.


My sister in law got the house and gave up her share in lands outside the city

That's great if you have all of that to begin with. But not everyone has other property beyond their house. Even in the USA, considered a fairly wealthy country, most people's weatlh is tied up in the home they are living in.

You can't deposit 3/4 of a house in the Bait Mal al-Muslimeen (treasury of Muslims). To keep the law you have to convert the property into liquid assests, and that means you have to sell the house.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

But you can't deposit 3/4 of a house in the Bait Mal al-Muslimeen (treasury of Muslims). To keep the law you have to convert the property into liquid assests, and that means you have to sell the house.

if she has no other family members to take care of her , then it's the duty of the Muslim Govt . to take of her . In that case , it's impossible that Islamic Govt. will force a widow to come to the street. Bait Mal was established to help the needy , not to evacute them from home.
In that case , they can surely allow her to stay there or arrange something . Also pl. don't forget she will get share from father , mother , brother .

 

[CosmicPathos]

Music is haram because it causes a spiritual sickness. Listening to music is like looking at beautiful haven on earth while walking on a razor edge rope that will almost certainly cut you into two piece. Music is relishing the beauty of the word yet this beauty will leave your soul wilted for your grave ... thats what music is .... it causes depression, nihilism, self-indulgence and iconoclasm. Why? Because Ive experienced the pain for many years and now God has taken away the poison.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Also pl. don't forget she will get share from father , mother , brother .

Not if she doesn't have any. Remember, the scenario is that this is a woman who is the sole suriving member of her family.

it's impossible that Islamic Govt. will force a widow to come to the street. Bait Mal was established to help the needy , not to evacute them from home.

That's great!! I'm glad to hear it.

In that case , they can surely allow her to stay there or arrange something

By "arrange something," do you mean not enforce the giving 3/4 of the inheritence to Bait Mal?

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

Not if she doesn't have any. Remember, the scenario is that this is a woman who is the sole suriving member of her family.

I don't understand. If she is only sole member of the family , she is supposed to get share in property of late father , late mother , late brother . Only daugther get half of the property of father etc.

By "arrange something," do you mean not enforce the giving 3/4 of the inheritence to Bait Mal?

I am not sure about that . All I know is Islmaic Govt. helped needy people from Bait Mal . So , if a woman is totally helpless and no one is there to take care of her , then it's the responsibility of the Muslim Govt. to take care of her .

Also , Muslim negihbours and friends are supposed to give her zakat ( poor due money ) .

And God knows Best.

 

[Al-Indunisiy]

Music is relishing the beauty of the word yet this beauty will leave your soul wilted for your grave ... thats what music is .... it causes depression, nihilism, self-indulgence and iconoclasm. Why? Because Ive experienced the pain for many years and now God has taken away the poison.

I wonder, what kind of music did you listen to?

:wa:

 

[Hugo]

Music is haram because it causes a spiritual sickness. Listening to music is like looking at beautiful haven on earth while walking on a razor edge rope that will almost certainly cut you into two piece. Music is relishing the beauty of the word yet this beauty will leave your soul wilted for your grave ... thats what music is .... it causes depression, nihilism, self-indulgence and iconoclasm. Why? Because Ive experienced the pain for many years and now God has taken away the poison.

I conclude from this that you know nothing about music or beauty but you do seem to be tied up in your own opinion and if you could you would stop others listening and I wonder if this poison you speak of is in your own ego. Have you never read the Psalm of Prophet David: Psalm 150 (NIV)

1 Praise the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary;praise him in his mighty heavens.
2 Praise him for his acts of power; praise him for his surpassing greatness.
3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet, praise him with the harp and lyre,
4 praise him with tambourine and dancing, praise him with the strings and flute,
5 praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise him with resounding cymbals.
6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD. Praise the LORD.

 

[Grace Seeker]

I was just reading the thread about If A Murderer Makes Repentance To Allah Does He Walk Away Free? and was surprised to find that while Allah may grant forgiveness that unless both the murder victim and the murdered victim's family also grant forgiveness that their lack of forgiveness can prevent a person's entry into Janaah, even when Allah is willing to grant it.


Did I understand this correctly?

(I have follow-up questions, but want to be sure I understood this correctly first.)

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

I was just reading the thread about If A Murderer Makes Repentance To Allah Does He Walk Away Free?

I had a quick look and found this in the thread : Some scholars are of the opinion - and this seems to be the preferable opinion - that if the murderer is true in his repentance, Allah will clear him of his sin and compensate on his behalf by satisfying the person murdered on the Day of Judgment

related link:

To Paradise, Serial Killer!
By Muhammad Fathi


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"He [the murderer] told him that he had killed 100 people and asked him if there was any chance for his repentance to be accepted.


The scholar replied in the affirmative and asked, 'Who stands between you and repentance?'"
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This is the right answer. Allah's mercy is wide open and He Almighty is ready to receive the sincere repentant. But, is it enough to just say "I repent"? Is repentance a matter of lip service and ritual formalities? Let's see what the advice of the knowledgeable scholar was:

"'Go to such-and-such land; there (you will find) people devoted to worship of Allah. Join them in worship, and do not come back to your land because it is an evil place.'"
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So, break your repentance down into practical steps.

Read more: ​

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...sh-Living_Shariah/LSELayout&cid=1158658505026

 

[Grace Seeker]

So, then, Allah can forgive even if the other humans involved (the murdered victim and his family) do not forgive. Correct?

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

So, then, Allah can forgive even if the other humans involved (the murdered victim and his family) do not forgive. Correct?

if the sinner repents sincerely , then ans is yes .

“Say: ‘O My servants who wronged against their souls, do not despair of Allah’s mercy! For Allah forgives all sins; for He is indeed Forgiving, Compassionate.’” (Az-Zumar: 53)
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And Allah knows best.

anther link:.....The torment will be doubled to him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein in disgrace; Except those who repent and believe (in Islâmic Monotheism), and do righteous deeds, for those, Allâh will change their sins into good deeds, and Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And whosoever repents and does righteous good deeds, then verily, he repents towards Allâh with true repentance.} [25: 68-71].
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http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?lang=e&Id=84796&Option=FatwaId

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