Things in Islam I am curious about...

[Follower]

Zaphran - 'was i talking about the crucifixtion LOL! and what do you mean secular sources? there is no such thing - its just sources - Islam has mnay sources '

That was an example of when Muslims have requested a secular source separate from Christianity. We have all kinds of eye-witnesses in the Holy Bible yet Muslims demand a secular source for the crucifixion. I have given them.

Fast forward to this conversation-
I ask for signs, witnesses that Gabriel in fact spoke with Mohammad.

I show you how Gabriel spoke with Mary and then Joseph had the dream. When Jesus spoke to Paul there were witnesses. You ask for signs, witnesses that GOD spoke with Moses, I gave you the miracles given Moses.

You gave me the miracle of the Mohammad splitting the moon. I understand that hadith was written some 200 years after Mohammad's death.

I ask for secular sources- it is only fair argument. This was in 600AD - there were historians writting did any see the moon splitting?

 

[Follower]

malayloveislam - Again Follower, religion is not to be bended by human desire. It is the one that should bend human desire. Religion is a Way of Life. It covers up every detail of our life.

I agree religion must not be bent on human desires! Yes Christianity is my way of life. As a Christian I must beware of false prophets, the Holy Bible has warned us. I need proof.

Muslims have sharia and Christians have:

Matthew 22
37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Following these 2 simple commands covers everything we will ever need.

'We would never accept secularism of Islam or any other men-made ideology as long as we live as Muslims. They are based from human's desires and hidden agendas. Why do you think Muslims should try using secular sources? Do you think that they exist in Islam?'

I think you are misunderstanding- I agree completely that a religious person must not be influenced by secular society.

I am asking for secular histories- just as Muslims have asked me for secular histories about the crucifixion of Jesus from 30's AD I am asking for secular histories from 600's AD.

 

[Zafran]

That was an example of when Muslims have requested a secular source separate from Christianity. We have all kinds of eye-witnesses in the Holy Bible yet Muslims demand a secular source for the crucifixion. I have given them.

No muslim demands "secular sources" for crucifixtion - if that was the case then we would demand secular sources for every single thing - which we both now is not a great way to Judge - especially if the secular sources turn out be wrong.

Fast forward to this conversation-
I ask for signs, witnesses that Gabriel in fact spoke with Mohammad.

I show you how Gabriel spoke with Mary and then Joseph had the dream. When Jesus spoke to Paul there were witnesses. You ask for signs, witnesses that GOD spoke with Moses, I gave you the miracles given Moses.[/B]You gave me the miracle of the Mohammad splitting the moon. I understand that hadith was written some 200 years after Mohammad's death.

Firstly where did i gave you a single hadith? - I gave you many - muttawatir which means many people say the same thing from a varied range of people - thats impossible if all these varied people would have craborrated a lie - especailly when you get the same report in north africa, Kufa and medina.

I also gave you a miracle witnessed by many people - can you find any "secular" sources witnessing the sea's parting? - as you love "secular" sources.

Next the NT was written 60 years after christ at least the first book was and Pauls story has contradcitions in it anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r4aJgUem-g&feature=channel_page


If we use secular sources for the "miracles" you gave me which are in the OT - guess what they (secular sources) believe the 5 books were written after Moses pbuh because in deutronomy it talks about moses being buried. So there go your mircales

I ask for secular sources- it is only fair argument. This was in 600AD - there were historians writting did any see the moon splitting?

[/QUOTE]

I gave it you a non muslim source but yours is not a fair argument as you cannot provide secular sources for the seas parting or anything that happens in the OT as that book war written after Moses pbuh as it talks about him being buried. So pure hypocricy on your part - any smart christain would see the open hypocircy.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/moon_split.htm

next time read my posts i dont wnat to repeat myself.

 

[malayloveislam]

LOL, if Muhammad is a false prophet why is this religion is still alive in every period. Many people had tried to spread lies and slanders about this religion with the agenda of dominion throughout the period, and also trying to kill this religion, but it continues to live. One person here in SEA turning away from Islam, few thousands in Africa or other continents embrace Islam. Do you think why this religion has a lot of enemy and those who are the enemies of Islam are people with men-made ideologies and following their own desires?

If Muhammad is the person who starts this religion, then supposedly that he is worshiped by Muslim as a god like Buddha or Jesus, but we never worship him although we respect him. We worship solely the G-d who is Allah. Our religion got its name from His name, not from our teacher's (prophet) name.

Throughout the period Muslims had been colonized and tyrannized although they never got BBC or CNN coverage. Is there any conjunction with people who have to hold "Cross" as what had been stated in gospels, if we take the meaning of "Cross" metaphorically? What does "Cross" signifies other than the Divinity of god Jesus?

 

[Follower]

‘No muslim demands "secular sources" for crucifixtion - if that was the case then we would demand secular sources for every single thing - which we both now is not a great way to Judge - especially if the secular sources turn out be wrong’.

OK - correct me if I am wrong - then no Muslims would ever ask for proof of a religious event from a secular historian? Are these considered Muslim in name only or ones that don't truly follow Islam?

It is odd how often I have been accused by Muslims of blindly following a faith that has no proof when there is proof in the Holy Bible.

zaphran this is why I LOL! - you say-next time read my posts i dont wnat to repeat myself.:

I gave the example of Paul and his encounter that was written very shortly after Jesus’ death- Paul died in 67AD.

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/37118-things-islam-i-am-curious-about-85.html#post1161872

You brought up Moses, calling me a hypocrite:

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/37118-things-islam-i-am-curious-about-85.html#post1161945

I told you the proofs given in the Old Testament of Moses’ encounter hoping that you would be able to point to Quranic verses.

What I understand from the Quran is that no signs were given to Mohammad. The hadiths were written too far removed and not the word of Allah so that leaves us with secular history contemporary to the time of Mohammad, I listed all the verses saying such.

How many secular historians were there in Old Testament times?

 

[Follower]

malayloveislam - LOL, if Muhammad is a false prophet why is this religion is still alive in every period. Many people had tried to spread lies and slanders about this religion with the agenda of dominion throughout the period, and also trying to kill this religion, but it continues to live. One person here in SEA turning away from Islam, few thousands in Africa or other continents embrace Islam. Do you think why this religion has a lot of enemy and those who are the enemies of Islam are people with men-made ideologies and following their own desires?

Look at the wiccans, many pagan religions are still in existance today from long ago. I understand you to believe that Islam is from the beginning of time but for man it has been in exitance from just 600AD witht he coming of Mohammad and the Quran so it is very young.

Surely you would not trust your soul on something just because a bunch of people believe it.

Even satan believes in GOD.

 

[Muslim Woman]

I need to know about this urgently . A revert Muslim sister ( ex Hindu) is asking for financial support . Her only child 8 yrs old is suffering from a rare disease . Treatment is not possible here ( in Bangladesh ) or India or Bangkok. They went to Singapore & need 4o lac taka .

Can I give her money from Zakat ? She is a school teacher ( part time) & her husband is not very rich. In normal situation , they are not that poor to receive Zakat money but to save life of the only child , is it permissible for them to recieve Zakat ? Can I ask my friends & ralatives to give them Zakat ?

 

[Tony]

^^^salam sister, im not very aware of zakaat rulings but if its to save a childs life and you can afford, then how can it be wrong. May Allah reward you and accept your zakaat, peace be upon you sister and may Allah protect and help the girl.Amen

 

[malayloveislam]

Look at the wiccans, many pagan religions are still in existance today from long ago. I understand you to believe that Islam is from the beginning of time but for man it has been in exitance from just 600AD witht he coming of Mohammad and the Quran so it is very young.

Surely you would not trust your soul on something just because a bunch of people believe it.

Even satan believes in GOD.

That is why Islam had first emphasizes us to make researches through the first revelation Surah al-Qalam (The pen). We are not believing because we simply following others, but by heart through learning and knowledge :statisfie. I'm pretty sure there are others who are also known as Muslims but they are not believing it. That is not counted as a believer and faithful, but just a person with a brand of religion tagged to him. In Islam, our faith is in ourselves, not on others but we help each others strengthening their faith. Islam emphasize pure sincerity in every acts that begins from intention. Do you think sincerity comes from Satan?

Satan do believes in G-d, but he had long given up from His Mercy due to his jealousy. He will trying to drag the children of Adam (human) together with him into the eternal torments as the effect of his arrogance.

 

[Zafran]

‘No muslim demands "secular sources" for crucifixtion - if that was the case then we would demand secular sources for every single thing - which we both now is not a great way to Judge - especially if the secular sources turn out be wrong’.

OK - correct me if I am wrong - then no Muslims would ever ask for proof of a religious event from a secular historian? Are these considered Muslim in name only or ones that don't truly follow Islam?

It is odd how often I have been accused by Muslims of blindly following a faith that has no proof when there is proof in the Holy Bible.

zaphran this is why I LOL! - you say-next time read my posts i dont wnat to repeat myself.:

I gave the example of Paul and his encounter that was written very shortly after Jesus’ death- Paul died in 67AD.

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/37118-things-islam-i-am-curious-about-85.html#post1161872

You brought up Moses, calling me a hypocrite:

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/37118-things-islam-i-am-curious-about-85.html#post1161945

I told you the proofs given in the Old Testament of Moses’ encounter hoping that you would be able to point to Quranic verses.

What I understand from the Quran is that no signs were given to Mohammad. The hadiths were written too far removed and not the word of Allah so that leaves us with secular history contemporary to the time of Mohammad, I listed all the verses saying such.

How many secular historians were there in Old Testament times?

Lets get this straight - can you me a secular historian who can prove that the OT or the 5 first books are the books of moses even though at the end of the deutornomy it says that Moses pbuh was buried! or even better prove to me that the water spilt in half - thats the first main Issue - if you cant then you have a problem with your own logic.

You also had a problem with the hadiths being written later - ok with that logic so is the NT - you also ignored the youtbe video which shows contradcition of Pauls story - here it is again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r4aJgUem-g&feature=channel_page

you only gave a christain view form the NT - how can we trust the NT when it was written way later and we only have Pauls writing that Paul actually saw something - nothing else.

Furthermore i gave you a non muslim source which saw the splitting of the moon - - here it is again - READ IT LOL!

http://www.answering-christianity.com/moon_split.htm

This is the second time.

You also said that

How many secular historians were there in Old Testament times

well how many historians do you believe there were in a majority illiterate society in arabia 600AD?

when do you think "secular" came into existence?

again i call you once again a hypocirte - not beacsue its name calling because its preety clear you are one - your trying to find "secular" sources for an 600 AD backward arabian society and yet are not willing to do the same for the OT - thats open hypocricy.

this reminds me of

3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. - matthew 7:3-5.

 

[Grace Seeker]

A hadith Qudsi ("sacred hadith") is a hadith where Muhammad narrates directly from Allah where he says that "Allah says". A normal hadith, on the other hand, are the words of Muhammad where he does not narrate it directly from Allah.

Hope that helps.

That's interesting, Uthman.

Does that mean that as well as having the Qu'ran told to him via the angel Gabriel, Muhammed heard God speak to him directly?
Do we know how exactly he learned the things which 'Allah said'?

Yeah. I had pretty much the same question. I wondered if that means the Muslims accept these hadith Qudsi as being on par with the Qur'an? How about the "normal" hadith, I would assume that they are of a lower degree of weight, but is that true?

 

[جوري]

What Is a Hadith Qudsi?
By IOL Islamic Researchers

Qudsi means “holy or pure.” There are some reports from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in which he relates to the people what Allah says, but this information is not part of the Qur’an. Such a report is called a hadith qudsi, for example: Abu Hurayrah reported that Allah’s Messenger said,“Allah Almighty said: If My servant likes to meet Me, I like to meet him, and if he dislikes to meet Me, I dislike to meet him.”
Though the content of a hadith qudsi is based on a saying of Allah, its wording is the Prophet’s. This, in fact, is a crucial point of distinction between Qur’an, whose wording is Allah’s, and hadith qudsi. Further, the Qur’an was brought to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) only by the Angel Jibreel, while a hadith qudsi may also have been inspired otherwise, such as in a dream. Being a part of Hadith, Hadith Qudsi also shares the same points that differentiate Hadith from the Qur’an.
Ali As-Sayed Al-Halawani
Head of the Shari`ah Department.
Graduated from Al-Azhar University
MA on Religious Translation, Faculty of Al-Alsun (Languages), Al-Minia University

Wa’il Shihab
MA on Islamic Jurisprudence & Its Principles, Al-Azhar University

El-Sayed Mohamed Abdalla Amin
BA in Islamic Studies, Al-Azhar University
Working on MA on Islamic Studies

Sami Ahmad Muhammad
BA in Islamic Studies, Al-Azhar University
Post-graduate Student

Mohsen Abdel-Aty Haredy
Graduated from Al-Azhar University
MA on Hadith Literature, Leiden University





http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...sh-Living_Shariah/LSELayout&cid=1158658459291


of Questioner

Mohd. Ibraheem - India​

Title

Differences between Hadith Qudsi, Hadith Nabawi & the Qur'an​

Question

Dear scholars, As-Salamu `alaykum. What is the difference between a Hadith Qudsi and Hadith Nabawi? Also what is the Difference between Hadith Qudsi and the Qur'an? Jazakum Allah khayran.​

Date

09/Jan/2003​

Name of Counsellor

A Group of Islamic Researchers​

Topic

Sciences of Hadith​

Answer​

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Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear questioner, we would like to thank you for the great confidence you place in us, and we implore Allah Almighty to help us serve His cause and render our work for His Sake.

As regards your question we'd like to state that "the scholars of Hadith have differentiated between two distinct types of Hadith which are termed as al-Hadith an-Nabawi and al-Hadith al-Qudsi. The former being restricted to the sayings of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), while the latter pertains to the sayings of the Prophet through the medium of Divine inspiration. Al-Quds means holy or sacred. The sayings that are termed as al-Qudsi are such that while the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was relating them to his Companions (may Allah be pleased with them), he mentioned that Allah, in effect, had communicated them to him. However, these communications do not form part of the Qur'an.

Such reports are included within the category of al-Hadith al-Qudsi. An example of this type of Hadith is one which had been reported by Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) in which it is mentioned that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said that Allah said: "If My servant likes to meet Me, I will love to meet him."

While the common factor between al-Hadith al-Qudsi and the Qur'an is that both contain words from Allah which were revealed to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), they are nevertheless distinct from each other as pointed out hereunder:

1. The Holy Qur'an contains the verbatim words of Allah, while al-Hadith al-Qudsi contains the message of Allah conveyed to the people by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in his own words.

2. The Holy Qur'an is inimitable and unique, but such is not the case with al-Hadith al-Qudsi. This is so because the latter is not the verbatim word of Allah.

3. The Holy Qur'an is recited in every prayer but al-Hadith al-Qudsi cannot be recited in any prayer."

The above quotation is excerpted, with slight modifications, from: http://www.jamiat.org.za/isinfo/mishkat2.html

Elaborating on the differences between Hadith Qudsi and Hadith Nabawi and between it and the Qur'an, we'd like to cite for you the following:

"A Hadith Qudsi (plural Ahadith Qudsiyyah) is a statement where Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) reports a statement and he refers it directly to Allah. The regular Hadith or what is generally known as a Hadith Nabawi is a Hadith where one of the Companions reports the Prophet's statements, his deeds, or things that happened in his presence and he approved of them. There are more than one hundred Ahadith Qudsiyah. They are very beautiful and deal mostly with spiritual and ethical subjects.

Sometimes, people ask questions about the difference between the Qur'an and the Hadith Qudsi. They say that the Qur'an is the world of Allah and Hadith Qudsi also refers to Allah's words, then how do they differ? The scholars of Hadith have mentioned five main differences between the Qur'an and the Hadith Qudsi:

1. The Qur'an was revealed to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) verbatim, i.e. its words and meanings are both from Allah. The Hadith Qudsi was not a verbatim revelation, its words are from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

2. The Qur'an was revealed via Angel Jibreel while Hadith Qudsi may have been inspired by other ways, such as in the form of a dream.

3. The words of the Qur'an are miraculous or inimitable (mu'jizah) while the words of the Hadith Qudsi are not of this nature.

4. The Qur'an is recited in formal prayers (salah) but the Hadith Qudsi cannot be recited in prayers.

5. One is not allowed to touch the Qur'an in the state of Janabah (post-sexual impurity), while there is no such prohibition for touching the books of Hadith Qudsi."

Taken from, Ibrahim Izzuddin and Denis Johnson-Davies, Forty Hadith Qudsi, Beirut, Damascus, 1980.


You can also read:

The Qur’an is the Accurately Preserved Word of Allah

Authenticity of the Glorious Qur'an

How to Deal with Strange Hadiths

Allah Almighty knows best.​

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543628

 

[Uthman]

Though the content of a hadith qudsi is based on a saying of Allah, its wording is the Prophet’s.

We ought to be careful here, sister. In his book An Introduction to the sciences of the Qur'an, Sheikh Yasir Qadhi mentions that most of the authors of the works of 'Uloom al Qur'an have been Ash'arees which is why this is a commonly held view. However, the Ashaa'ira deny that Allah has the attribute of Kalaam (speech). Therefore, Sheikh Yasir Qadhi writes:

There is absolutely no proof to show that the words of the Hadith Qudsi are not from Allah. When the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhi wasallam) says, "Allah says...", it should be held upon its literal, apparent meaning; namely; that Allah actually spoke these words, and the Prophet was inspired these words; and Allah knows best. However, the wordings of the Hadith Qudsi have not been promised to be preserved by Allah (in contrast to the Qur'an); only their meanings have been preserved. Therefore, the same Hadith Qudsi is found in different works of Hadith with different wordings. The Qur'an, on the other hand, has been preserved in wording and meaning.
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[Zafran]

We ought to be careful here, sister. In his book An Introduction to the sciences of the Qur'an, Sheikh Yasir Qadhi mentions that most of the authors of the works of 'Uloom al Qur'an have been Ash'arees which is why this is a commonly held view. However, the Ashaa'ira deny that Allah has the attribute of Kalaam (speech). Therefore, Sheikh Yasir Qadhi writes:

There is absolutely no proof to show that the words of the Hadith Qudsi are not from Allah. When the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhi wasallam) says, "Allah says...", it should be held upon its literal, apparent meaning; namely; that Allah actually spoke these words, and the Prophet was inspired these words; and Allah knows best. However, the wordings of the Hadith Qudsi have not been promised to be preserved by Allah (in contrast to the Qur'an); only their meanings have been preserved. Therefore, the same Hadith Qudsi is found in different works of Hadith with different wordings. The Qur'an, on the other hand, has been preserved in wording and meaning.
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Salaam

Lets not get into what other people say about other people - seriously - I've also seen refutation of Yasir Qadhi too.

peace

 

[Hugo]

Sheikh Yasir Qadhi mentions that most of the authors of the works of 'Uloom al Qur'an have been Ash'arees which is why this is a commonly held view. However, the Ashaa'ira deny that Allah has the attribute of Kalaam (speech). Therefore, Sheikh Yasir Qadhi writes:

There is absolutely no proof to show that the words of the Hadith Qudsi are not from Allah. When the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhi wasallam) says, "Allah says...", it should be held upon its literal, apparent meaning; namely; that Allah actually spoke these words, and the Prophet was inspired these words; and Allah knows best. However, the wordings of the Hadith Qudsi have not been promised to be preserved by Allah (in contrast to the Qur'an); only their meanings have been preserved. Therefore, the same Hadith Qudsi is found in different works of Hadith with different wordings. The Qur'an, on the other hand, has been preserved in wording and meaning.
​

The first sentence here is quite hard to follow in Sheikh Yasir Qadhi's work with it's two negatives. It could also be thought to begin with a fallacy of the kind called ad ignorantiam because if I read it correctly he seems to imply that lack of proof in one thing proves something else - any comment?

As a matter of general interest I wonder how a 'meaning' can be preserved because language for better or worse is very pliable and of course here we have to know the original meaning of those words. Finally, I am told that about 80% of the Qu'ran is made up of only about 600 words - can anyone confirm that (I can only check English versions)

 

[Hugo]

was i talking about the crucifixtion LOL! and what do you mean secular sources? there is no such thing - its just sources - Islam has mnay sources

You are a hypocrite you dont use the same logic against Jesus pbuh - even worse there are sources that say he didnt exist,

You asked about a miracles too which also i find hypocritical.

I am a bit puzzled here as I cannot quite see what proof any source could offer that something does not exist - it could state that but that is a long way from proof? Plus it is not a valid argument to be abusive is it?.

 

[Zafran]

I am a bit puzzled here as I cannot quite see what proof any source could offer that something does not exist - it could state that but that is a long way from proof? Plus it is not a valid argument to be abusive is it?.

The thread starter said no debating so I'll stick with that.

secodanly it was follower who was being hypocritical - he was the one who was asking for "secular" proofs whatever that is - so before jumping the gun read the whole thread as usual and not the things you want to read and make out.

anayway back to the thread........

 

[Hugo]

exactly - if you rely on your faith for your "salvation" so do Muslims - we are "assured" for heaven by our faith thanks to the belief in the genoristy and mercy of God - its all about faith - you feel like you have "assurence" so do we muslims.

In Islam its very similar - the bold you have written.

Like you talk about Genesis - by the way the Jews have a very different idea of salvation then christianty - christainty is specific on the death of christ - Jews dont believe in that.

Now furthermore it has been done for you - you have been bailed out (in your beliefs) - by the death of Christ - which ironicly muslims reject. This is atonement and not forgiveness - two exclusively different things.

We can agree on the part of faith here and it is essential in finding forgiveness. Now atonement means compensating for sin but that itself implies forgiveness and Christians obtain such forgiveness and atonement of sins through faith in the redemptive work of Jesus verified by His resurrection from the dead.

The issue then is how are your sins forgiven? You say it's based on mercy but on what basis is that mercy to be found? Surely, God does not act on just a whim so what can he find in you (because you have no one else to trust in) to cause Him to extend his mercy and forgiveness to you. In other post some have claimed that it is about good works and they cancel out bad ones but I am unsure if this is the Islamic position or not

But I find this unsatisfactory because on the day of resurrection and judgement when we stand before a holy, righteous and just God in His shining glory no one is going to feel they have done enough to warrant forgiveness and all they will be able to say is that they were unworthy servants. No Christian would ever claim that anything they do is more than that. The Christian attitude perhaps is summed up in the 18th century poem which says

Were the whole realm of nature mine,
that were an offering far too small:
Love so amazing, so divine,
Demands my soul, my life, my all.​

PS Jews look for a Messiah for salvation and Christians do this also but we regard Jesus as the messiah - so in principle there is not real distinction and on this point I think you may be wrong.

 

[جوري]

scholars suggest that the messianic concept was introduced later in the history of Judaism, during the age of the prophets. They note that the messianic concept is not mentioned anywhere in the Torah (the first five books of the Bible).
However, traditional Judaism maintains that the messianic idea has always been a part of Judaism. The moshiach is not mentioned explicitly in the Torah, because the Torah was written in terms that all people could understand, and the abstract concept of a distant, spiritual, future reward was beyond the comprehension of some people. However, the Torah contains several references to "the End of Days" (acharit ha-yamim), which is the time of the moshiach; thus, the concept of moshiach was known in the most ancient times.





http://www.jewfaq.org/moshiach.htm


indeed the Jews were looking for someone to be sent exclusively to them, and that was Jesus,
as stated in the bible:

International Standard Version (©2008)
But he replied, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the nation of Israel." New American Standard Bible (©1995)
But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Jesus responded, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the nation of Israel."
King James Bible
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
American King James Version
But he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
American Standard Version
But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Bible in Basic English
But he made answer and said, I was sent only to the wandering sheep of the house of Israel.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And he answering, said: I was not sent but to the sheep that are lost of the house of Israel.
Darby Bible Translation
But he answering said, I have not been sent save to the lost sheep of Israel's house.
English Revised Version
But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Webster's Bible Translation
But he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Weymouth New Testament
"I have only been sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel," He replied.
World English Bible
But he answered, "I wasn't sent to anyone but the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Young's Literal Translation
and he answering said, 'I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.'

why don't the Jews accept your brand of Christianity? it is easy -- he was meant to fulfill their laws, not do away with them for an organ and a choir!

all the best

 

[alcurad]

The issue then is how are your sins forgiven? You say it's based on mercy but on what basis is that mercy to be found? Surely, God does not act on just a whim so what can he find in you to cause Him to extend his mercy and forgiveness to you

But I find this unsatisfactory because on the day of resurrection and judgement when we stand before a holy, righteous and just God one is going to feel they have done enough to warrant forgiveness and all they will be able to say is that they were unworthy servants

in short, God created us this way, we sin not because he orders it, but because we are given free will, from God that is.

in Islam, a servant sincerely asking forgiveness from God is one of the most highly regarded acts of faith and worship in the sight of God, and he is The Merciful, it is one of his many names, and his attribute, thus he forgives as long as there is repentance, and why shouldn't he?
we are insignificant compared to him, but he did create us, and he will judge us fairly, and fair does not mean putting a burden on one who can't uphold it. sin is not such an enormously unforgivable thing, rather not repenting and correcting ones ways is. all humans sin, the best of them are those who repent.
I hope that made sense,,