Things in Islam I am curious about...

[Grace Seeker]

Re: An advice

if i ask you to prove to me and the whole world that Jesus pbuh is God..can u prove it to me?

We have the testimony of Peter who, on witnessing the resurrection, testified: "Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified" (Acts 2:36). When you understand the meaning of kurion, the word translated into English as "Lord", and the significance of its usage by a Jew of Jesus' day, then you will know that this is a plain declaration that Jesus is himself God. If you chose to close your eyes to such testimony, that is your choice. But I see it as a strong witness, a witness I am willing to accept and trust.

 

[revert2007]

Re: An advice

Ummm... I read your entire post, and not once did I find the actual quote that you chose to put in Jesus' mouth:



What a joke!! You imply that the scriptures are corrupted, and then you set about to misquote them yourself.

I'm not going to trust the "study" of someone who not only misquotes, but then rather than admitting his mistakes tries to place the blame for not being able to find the quote he himself concoted on others.

i can say it again..IT IS CORRUPTED..yet..human are not that smart enough to even do the corruption in better way

there are still some pieces here and there still available..and what do u think about the controversial book THE DA VINCI CODE..was that book written by a Muslim?

your own people wrote it and expose it..where do u think those people got the evidence?

if i were to quote things from quran..u will reject it and u hv the rights to do so..and i am quoting evidence from ur own scripture...when there are verses from OT or NT that doesnt contradicts the quran..then it should be accepted

do not trust my study and i have never asked anyone to trust my study..my study is just for myself

you can trust plenty of studies done by priests and ministers who know the bible better than anyone else

for example...the mother said ur not our child...but the father said ur our child..whom are u going to believe?whom do u think speaks the truth and knows better who is your biological parents?

i shall let u do some thinking

i have never misquote anything..it is ur mind misinterpreting things ..as usual..ur having a Christian mind..what can i do
ur taught to misinterpret verses and facts and evidences

read again both my posts and the red thing i bold...i have never misquote anything.

but you and the rest of Christians claiming trinity and Jesus pbuh is God when there is no single verse claim so..not even in NT he call himself Son of God..he always refer himself as Son of Man.

here goes evidence for ur mind

[Matthew 8:20] "Jesus said to him, "The foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no-where to lay His head.""

[Matthew 12:32] "Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come."

[Matthew 12:40] "for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster (Whale), so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

[Matthew 17:9] "As they were coming down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man has risen from the dead.""

[John 6:27] ""Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.""

 

[revert2007]

Re: An advice

We have the testimony of Peter who, on witnessing the resurrection, testified: "Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified" (Acts 2:36). When you understand the meaning of kurion, the word translated into English as "Lord", and the significance of its usage by a Jew of Jesus' day, then you will know that this is a plain declaration that Jesus is himself God. If you chose to close your eyes to such testimony, that is your choice. But I see it as a strong witness, a witness I am willing to accept and trust.

The verse obvioulsy shows there is someone who MADE Jesus..and it used the pronouns HIM and not HIMSELF.


if you wanna prove Jesus pbuh and God is the same person it should at least sound this way

:Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made himself both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified"

and if u wanna argue again that the word "him" in the translation given by u refers to God,then again it should use capital H and should be like this:

:Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified"

the verse you quote didn't prove anything and you want me to accept the witness of Peter?who is this Peter.why should I care what he thinks and speaks?

alhamdulilah i am OPENING MY EYES WIDE to spot the differences

 

[Grace Seeker]

Re: An advice

i have never misquote anything..it is ur mind misinterpreting things ..

Then, again I ask you, please produce the source for this which you have quoted:

Jesus pbuh has nevre said"Worship me as I am thy LOrd"..all he said was"worship the Father who si Greater than I"

I'm not misinterpreting, because I'm not even intepreting. I am simply showing you what you have said is something that you were able to quote from Jesus. And I'm asking you to substantiate that particular line (the part in bold) which you allege is a quote from Jesus. None of the verses you have posted have yet to include the actual quote you cite. This is why I say that you have misquoted Jesus.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Re: An advice

The verse obvioulsy shows there is someone who MADE Jesus

No. It does not. It is not a reference to the creation of anyone, but God saying that he has caused this Jesus to be something -- in this case, Lord and Christ. But that is irrelevant, because the idea that the human body of Jesus is the work of God's creation is never in dispute. Nor does it deny the reality of who Jesus is.

if you wanna prove Jesus pbuh and God is the same person it should at least sound this way

:Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made himself both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified"

Again, No. Completely unnecessary.

and if u wanna argue again that the word "him" in the translation given by u refers to God,then again it should use capital H and should be like this:

:Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified"

The use of capitalization is a convention that was not used at the time of the writing of the scriptures. Not even the word for "God" (theos) was written using capitalization. But again that is irrelevant as well, because the term "him" has as its antecedent Jesus. So, it would be appropriate to read the verse: "Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified." The point being that God is declaring that Jesus is LORD. This is not Lord, like in your English Lords. Nor is it a word that is used as an equivalent to "sir". Rather, it is a term that was restictively used by religious Jews as a substitute for the sacred name of God, YHWH. The use of that term by Peter in this instance is equivalent to saying --Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made Jesusboth YHWH and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified."

Who is this Peter.why should I care what he thinks and speaks?

Peter was a disciple of Jesus and a witness to his resurrection. The resurrection show Jesus to be someone greater than just a prophet.

 

[revert2007]

Re: An advice

Then, again I ask you, please produce the source for this which you have quoted:


I'm not misinterpreting, because I'm not even intepreting. I am simply showing you what you have said is something that you were able to quote from Jesus. And I'm asking you to substantiate that particular line (the part in bold) which you allege is a quote from Jesus. None of the verses you have posted have yet to include the actual quote you cite. This is why I say that you have misquoted Jesus.

i did..check out the post number 1896

 

[Grace Seeker]

Re: An advice

i did..check out the post number 1896

No. You didn't. Let's investigate:

as you wish..here you go..people can never be sturborn

SAID THAT THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN HIM:

[John 14:28] "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."

This does not say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I".

PRAYED TO GOD:

[Mark 14:32] "They went to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, "Sit here while I pray.""

This does NOT say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I"

[Luke 5:16] "But Jesus often withdrew to lonely places and prayed."

This does not say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I"

ORDERED EVERYONE TO WORSHIP THE ONE TRUE ALMIGHTY GOD ALONE:

[Matthew 4:10] "Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."

This does NOT say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I"

[Deuteronomy 6:13] "Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name."

This not only does NOT say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I", but it isn't even Jesus speaking.

the rest you can see for yourself in my video..these evidence is good enough to open any "blind" eyes

The rest of what? So far you have not shown where your quote came from. I'm still waiting. You took a little bit that Jesus said in one place, and a little bit he said in another, and then wove them together to make Jesus appear to say something that he never in fact said. That's called, MISQUOTING.

 

[revert2007]

Re: An advice

No. You didn't. Let's investigate:



This does not say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I".

This does NOT say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I"

This does not say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I"

This does NOT say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I"

This not only does NOT say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I", but it isn't even Jesus speaking.



The rest of what? So far you have not shown where your quote came from. I'm still waiting. You took a little bit that Jesus said in one place, and a little bit he said in another, and then wove them together to make Jesus appear to say something that he never in fact said. That's called, MISQUOTING.

do you think I am a great preacher who can memorise evrey single verse of the BIble?I said base on what I remember and yet those meaning are still there.Now lets see..show me the evidence where Jesus pbuh talks about trinity and claim he is God?

if a Muslim was reading my post,he would have understand.

now lets see what an ex Christian who converted to Islam talks about Jesus pbuh being God.

watch video

back to my evidence

ORDERED EVERYONE TO WORSHIP THE ONE TRUE ALMIGHTY GOD ALONE:

[Matthew 4:10] "Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."

if he was God he should have saidworship The Lord me your God and serve me only

DID NOT ACCEPT TO BE CALLED GOOD AND DEFERRED TO GOD:

[Mark 10:18] "Why do you call me good? Jesus answered. No-one is good— except God alone."

if he was God,he suppose to sayThank you for caling me good as I am thy Lord who is Good.
he doesn't need to refer to a 3rd person .he doesn't have split identity

 

[revert2007]

Re: An advice

No. You didn't. Let's investigate:



This does not say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I".

This does NOT say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I"

This does not say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I"

This does NOT say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I"

This not only does NOT say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I", but it isn't even Jesus speaking.



The rest of what? So far you have not shown where your quote came from. I'm still waiting. You took a little bit that Jesus said in one place, and a little bit he said in another, and then wove them together to make Jesus appear to say something that he never in fact said. That's called, MISQUOTING.

you need to watch the vide where i have provided all evidence needed to open any eye with Allah's will..if your eyes are still close,then it is Allah's will.but you cannot argue with me and try to manupulate my words.my answers are crystal clear even to a fool

 

[revert2007]

Re: An advice

No. You didn't. Let's investigate:



This does not say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I".

This does NOT say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I"

This does not say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I"

This does NOT say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I"

This not only does NOT say: "worship the Father who si Greater than I", but it isn't even Jesus speaking.



The rest of what? So far you have not shown where your quote came from. I'm still waiting. You took a little bit that Jesus said in one place, and a little bit he said in another, and then wove them together to make Jesus appear to say something that he never in fact said. That's called, MISQUOTING.

speak that for urself.aren't u guys doing that job?cutting paste and copy paste the bible and show it as though Jesus pbuh claim to be God and 3 in one.lol

it is funny though a Christian pastor like u talking about misquoting. lol

first of all,Christians claim that the prophet like Moses in OT suppose to be Jesus pbuh..and now you guys are calling him God.and you guys also rejected the ten comandments.but can u reject the ten commandments?

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'" (Matthew 7:21-23). He spoke of true and false conversion through His Parables:the Sower (Mark 4:3-8); the wheat and tares (Matthew 13:24-30); the wise virgins and the foolish virgins (Matthew 25:1-13); the dragnet (Matthew 13:47-51); and the sheep and goats (Matthew 25:31-46). True and false converts will be alongside each other in the Church, and will be separated by God on the Day of Judgment.
The Bible says that if you break just one commandment, you are guilty of breaking them all (James 2:10)

i collected that in christian forum lol.

so Christians rejected the ten commandments and claim Jesus pbuh is God.
so who is this prophet mentioned by The God to Moses pbuh

Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."


as a pastor,it is not good enough what you have learned.think out of the box

 

[Hugo]

Re: An advice

perhaps those people converted after knowing they will begiven a huge amount of money or women or even green card if they convert to Christianity. how can someone convert to Christinity when the BIble is proven to be corrupted by Christians priest and ministers ?hmmmm....interesting

Your first line is such a jaundiced view that it is unworthy of this board and any rational thinker. Have you read the Bible, do you known what the Gospels say are are you simply repeating an unbelievers mantra?

 

[Hugo]

Re: An advice

you need to watch the vide where i have provided all evidence needed to open any eye with Allah's will..if your eyes are still close,then it is Allah's will.but you cannot argue with me and try to manupulate my words.my answers are crystal clear even to a fool

Just a question here, are you saying that I for instance am an unbeliever because it is Allah's will?

 

[revert2007]

Re: An advice

Your first line is such a jaundiced view that it is unworthy of this board and any rational thinker. Have you read the Bible, do you known what the Gospels say are are you simply repeating an unbelievers mantra?

ask yourself how far you know the Bible..don't ask Muslims how much they know the Bible..obviously they know better than any Christians

You are the one repeating the unbeliever mantra...1+1+1+=1 ...and you force people to believe it...but none of you can provide a single verse that Jesus pbuh claim he is God .I dare you to provide the evidence within 24 hours.if it doesn't directly say that Jesus pbuh is God..i can argue with u the same way the pastor was arguing with me about what i said in my previous post and he is trying too hard to prove me wrong lol

 

[revert2007]

Re: An advice

Just a question here, are you saying that I for instance am an unbeliever because it is Allah's will?

Any Muslims know the answer.Every single thing happens with Allah's will.again Allah guides whom wants to be guided.

The difference between a Christian and a Muslim is that,a Christian thinks he can convert anyone by any means.BUt Muslim doesn't convert anyone,he just convey the true message that has been conveyed by all the prophets.

 

[freethinking]

Re: An advice

ask yourself how far you know the Bible..don't ask Muslims how much they know the Bible..obviously they know better than any Christians

You are the one repeating the unbeliever mantra...1+1+1+=1 ...and you force people to believe it...but none of you can provide a single verse that Jesus pbuh claim he is God .I dare you to provide the evidence within 24 hours.if it doesn't directly say that Jesus pbuh is God..i can argue with u the same way the pastor was arguing with me about what i said in my previous post and he is trying too hard to prove me wrong lol

Ok here are some direct quotes from both the OT and NT
esus Christ is the Son of God. Psalms 2:7 (NIV) I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me, "You are my Son ; today I have become your Father.
Proverbs 30:4 (NIV) Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and the name of his son? Tell me if you know!

Matthew 3:17 (NIV) And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."
Luke 1:32 (NIV) He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,
Romans 1:4 (NIV) and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.
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Jesus Christ would be anointed with the Holy Spirit of God.
Isaiah 11:2 (NIV) The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD--
Isaiah 61:1 (NIV) The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,
Psalms 45:7-8 (NIV) You love righteousness and hate wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy. 8 All your robes are fragrant with myrrh and aloes and cassia; from palaces adorned with ivory the music of the strings makes you glad.

Jesus is worshipped - Jesus said to worship God only, yet He receives worship.

• Matt. 4:10 - "Then Jesus said to him, 'Begone, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only."’"
• Matt. 2:2 - "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east, and have come to worship Him."
• Matt. 2:11 - "And they came into the house and saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell down and worshiped Him; and opening their treasures they presented to Him gifts of gold and frankincense and myrrh."
• Matt. 14:33 - "And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God’s Son!"
• Matt. 28:9 - "And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him."
• John 9:35-38 - "Jesus heard that they had put him out; and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" 36 He answered and said, "And who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?" 37 Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you." 38 And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him."
• Heb. 1:6 - "And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, 'And let all the angels of God worship Him.'"

Jesus is prayed to

• Acts 7:55-60 - "But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; 56 and he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." 57 But they cried out with a loud voice, and covered their ears, and they rushed upon him with one impulse. 58 And when they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him, and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59 And they went on stoning Stephen as he called upon the Lord and said, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!" 60 And falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" And having said this, he fell asleep."
• 1 Cor. 1:1-2 - "Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, 2 to the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours." (The phrase, "to call upon the name of the Lord" is a phrase used to designate prayer.)
  1. 1 Kings 18:24 - "Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the Lord, and the God who answers by fire, He is God." And all the people answered and said, "That is a good idea."
  2. Zech. 13:9 - "And I will bring the third part through the fire, refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are My people,’ and they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’"
• Rom. 10:13-14 - "for 'whoever will call upon the name of the Lord' will be saved." 14 How then shall they call upon Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him whom they have not heard?" (Paul is speaking of calling upon Jesus. (The phrase "Call upon the name of the Lord" is a quote from Joel 2:32)). Jesus is never recorded in the Bible as saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason. “… you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. Notice that Jesus does not deny His claim to be God. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30), He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I am!” The response of the Jews who heard this statement was to take up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded them to do (Leviticus 24:15).
  
  John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “the Word was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church—the church of God—with His own blood? Jesus Christ. Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!
  
  Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son He says, ’Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.
  
  In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11, 14:33, 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other verses and passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.
  
  The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.
• Bless you to know the Truth

 

[Supreme]

You need to elaborate on John 20:28:

28Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

29Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

(John 20:28-29 obviously).

Here, Jesus is blessing everyone who hasn't seen Him and that declares He is Lord and God. It is the ultimate and final statement by Jesus of the Gospels, and therefore is considered by scholars with great significance. Not only does it confirm Christ's divinity, it also blesses those who regard Him as such.

revert2007, do you need any more verses, or are the hundreds above enough?

 

[Grace Seeker]

Re: An advice

do you think I am a great preacher who can memorise evrey single verse of the BIble?

No. But I do expect that when someone puts a set of words within quotation marks that they are following the accepted convention for writing and has in fact actually quoted the individual whose words are in the quotation marks. If one is only paraphrasing or using their own words to state what another person has supposedly said, then quotation marks should not be used. Also, I believe that by taking two different things that Jesus said in different places and putting them together as you did you changed the meaning to imply something different than what Jesus was himself originally saying.

I said base on what I remember and yet those meaning are still there.Now lets see..show me the evidence where Jesus pbuh talks about trinity and claim he is God?

Can I use the same method of taking part of what Jesus said in one place and part of what Jesus said in another place and put them together surrounded by quotation marks so as to make Jesus appear to have said exactly what I want him to have said?

if a Muslim was reading my post,he would have understand.

Therein lies part of the problem. Eisegesis rather than exegesis tends to be the pattern for hermeneutics preferred by Muslims, and not just with regard to the Bible, but even the understandings of the nature of just war, the taking of protectors vs having friends, or the appropriateness of listening to instrumental music seem to depend on eisegetic renderings of different Islamic texts more than an exegetic reading.

now lets see what an ex Christian who converted to Islam talks about Jesus pbuh being God.

watch video

He owes me $5000. The speaker said: "If there is a Christian in this room that can tell me that Jesus said, in his own words -- not Matthew, not Mark, not Luke, not John, not Paul, -- but Jesus said, 'I am God, worship me' , then we will raise $5000 for you tonight, before you leave." He didn't say that those words had to be recorded in the Bible, he said that if there is a Christian that can tell me that Jesus said. Well, I am telling you that Jesus has said this to me. So, he owes me $5000. But I suppose I can't collect since I wasn't actually in the room to tell him that.


If you think that this speaker is convincing, think again. The speaker shows his inability to let the text speak for itself. He projects things that show only his unwillingness to let Jesus, God, or even Allah be who he will be: "Now can you imagine God defecating and unirnating?" That he imagines the only answer to this is NO shows how he limits God to only what he can imagine.

He also seems to struggle with the idea that Jesus might be God and at the same time pray to and worship God. Again, he cannot conceive that God might do something that it outside the limits of his way of thinking. He concludes that rather than it being his mind that is limited, that it must be illogical. But the lack of logic is in thinking that an almighty God cannot do what an almighty God wills to do -- be it to either do awe inspiring things or to do humble things.

back to my evidence

ORDERED EVERYONE TO WORSHIP THE ONE TRUE ALMIGHTY GOD ALONE:

[Matthew 4:10] "Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."

if he was God he should have saidworship The Lord me your God and serve me only

DID NOT ACCEPT TO BE CALLED GOOD AND DEFERRED TO GOD:

[Mark 10:18] "Why do you call me good? Jesus answered. No-one is good— except God alone."

if he was God,he suppose to sayThank you for caling me good as I am thy Lord who is Good.
he doesn't need to refer to a 3rd person .he doesn't have split identity

These are all passages that I and other Christians on this board have repeatedly addressed. And in truth, we don't mind doing so again for those who are genuinely seeking answers. If your goal is to just argue and debate, in that I am not interested. In either case, I've engage in this discussion with you simply to show that you did put words in Jesus' mouth. Not to argue with your conclusions as to what Jesus meant. If you believe that tthe various statements that Jesus made can be distilled to the single one that you have written (one which I trust you now admit that Jesus never actually said), then so be it. That becomes your view of Jesus' teaching, flawed though it may be that is your view. I think that Jesus actually did unquestionably show himself to be divine, but such a discussion is not what this thread is about. I began this thread, to which the "An advice" thread has for somereason been attached, to discuss "Things in Islam I am curious about". I am not curious about your view with regard to Jesus. I know pretty much where you are coming from. So, I thank you for you input, and accept it for what it is, the viewpoint of a faithful Muslim. If you want to know why I don't find your arguments on that matter convincing, there are better threads that already exist in which to discuss that or you could begin a new one. But, I'm going to return to using this thread for its original purpose, to learn those things in Islam I am curious about, because I haven't heard of them before or don't yet understand.

 

[Grace Seeker]

you have more than 73 version of Bible and no two of them are identical.You people just have belief on fantasy stories and fabrications..

I am curious as to why Muslims think it is so significant that there are so many different versions of the Bible? There is only one version of the Qur'an because Islam refuses to recognize translations as versions. We accept that a translation into English or Spanish or Chinese or Russian or even Arabic can be still be called the Bible even though it is just a translation. Any serious biblical scholar is going to want to work out of the original languages and do some work to be sure of the accuracy of the text s/he is working with. But for the average lay person, we view having the Bible in one's native tongue to be a good thing and because language is an ever evolving medium, there are often new translations made even in languages which already have available translations. Why do Muslims continue to list this practice as somehow being indicative of the corruption of the Bible?

 

[aadil77]

I am curious as to why Muslims think it is so significant that there are so many different versions of the Bible? There is only one version of the Qur'an because Islam refuses to recognize translations as versions. We accept that a translation into English or Spanish or Chinese or Russian or even Arabic can be still be called the Bible even though it is just a translation. Any serious biblical scholar is going to want to work out of the original languages and do some work to be sure of the accuracy of the text s/he is working with. But for the average lay person, we view having the Bible in one's native tongue to be a good thing and because language is an ever evolving medium, there are often new translations made even in languages which already have available translations. Why do Muslims continue to list this practice as somehow being indicative of the corruption of the Bible?

How can a translation count as a different version? Theres only one complete and untouched text in arabic that is available unchanged across the world, without a single letter difference, can you say the same for the bible, ignoring the translations?

 

[Supreme]

How can a translation count as a different version? Theres only one complete and untouched text in arabic that is available unchanged across the world, without a single letter difference, can you say the same for the bible, ignoring the translations?

Nope. Although Christianity works in a different way. We base our trust in Christianity on faith- not proof. It simply isn't as important in Christianity. As a matter of fact, it is considered a rather trivial matter. We put out faith in God to reveal His message to us, and the Bible is but one way of doing this. Whether we have original copies of the Bible is not important to us; whether or not we are obeying the path we believe God sets for us is.

Nevertheless, you may be interested in the Dead Sea Scrolls. They're the earliest parchments of the Bible we have, and if the Islamic claim that the Biblical texts have been corrupted are true, they we corrupted very, very early on in Church history, as the Scrolls correspond to the Biblical text we have today.