Things in Islam I am curious about...



Salaam/peace ,


hemoo said:
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i also wanted to talk about shiekh yusuf alQaradawy (may Allah guide me and him),he has many Fatwas that contradicts with the Prophet's Hadith so be carfull while listening to him.

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----is it possible for u to start a thread on Fatwas those contradict with Hadith ?


 
Muslim Woman said:
Salaam/peace ,


----is it possible for u to start a thread on Fatwas those contradict with Hadith ?
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actually sister i was already planning on doing that so wait for me untill i prepare for it

but where do i put it in the forum
 


Salaam/peace ,


hemoo said:
actually sister i was already planning on doing that so wait for me untill i prepare for it

but where do i put it in the forum
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---umm , as snakelegs suggested in islamic jurisprudence section or go to Islamic forum , start the thread where u think is suitable . Mods are here to move it if they think it's not the right forum/place.


BTW , how to decide which Fatwa goes against Hadith ? Who is giving this ' fatwa' ? :p


Take the example of music fatwa giving by shiekh Qardawi.....i found it very logical as it does not go against Quran but u don't agree with him . So , finally what could be the result ?

May be , we have to wait till the Last Day.

 
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I know I've asked this before a few times, but havnt had a response yet.
I have no doubt that the prophet indeed said that Wind instruments were banned, my question is why?

The hadith that said satan is within the nostrils cant be applied to blowing through the mouth surely? Wind instruments are not played nasaly.
 
barney said:
I have no doubt that the prophet indeed said that Wind instruments were banned, my question is why?
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Can please show evidence of this? I've never heard it before, and I have read many different works that show that music isn't allowed, and surely if something so explicit existed they would have mentioned it?
 
Grace Seeker said:
Though from a human understanding I see some sins as more abominable than others, in my Christian understanding there really are no big and little sins. All sin is sin and results in the same punishment --spiritual death and separation from God. That is why we must depend on Jesus' righteousness rather than our own to gain access to the Father.
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Of course all sins are sins, but surely you would agree that there is a difference between, for example, genocide, and being rude to someone in a moment of anger? Isn't one clearer worse than the other, and worthy of more punishment? I can't imagine that God would punish the first sin in the exact same way He would punish the second. Can you?:?
 
Malaikah said:
Of course all sins are sins, but surely you would agree that there is a difference between, for example, genocide, and being rude to someone in a moment of anger? Isn't one clearer worse than the other, and worthy of more punishment? I can't imagine that God would punish the first sin in the exact same way He would punish the second. Can you?:?
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From a human persepctive I would agree with you. But if you will take a moment to try and process with me why, I will try to explain why I actually do not think that in terms of sin there is any significant difference between the two sins you mentioned (or any others).

One of the keys here is my use of the word "significant". Normally, we think of things being more or less significant in terms of being bigger or smaller. So, if we think of sins as some sort of crime, then clearly genocide is a worse crime and one might then suppose a worse sin.

However, not all sins are crimes. And it may even be that not all crimes are sins. (I'm here speaking of American law, I don't know sharia law well enough to comment on that.) So, we should not be to quick to agree with the idea that because something is a bigger crime that it is also a bigger sin.

What is it about something that makes one thing a sin and another not a sin? The answer to that is found in God. Does it measure up to what God's will is? When we violate what God's will is for us, then we are sinning. The very same action by another person may not be a sin, it may in fact be something that God wills for the person to do. For example, God may desire me to show affection to my wife, but even if God will for you to care for my wife, I doubt if his desire is for you to show her affection in the same way that he wills for me to do it.

But sometimes we fall short of doing what God wills for us. That falling short is itself sin. One of the Greek words used in the Bible to talk about sin was hamartia which means "missing the mark". Now it does not make any difference whether you miss the mark by 1 mm, 1 meter, or 1 km. If you missed the mark you missed the mark. What is significant in determining whether you have sinner or not, is not the amount by which you missed the mark, but whether or not you actually hit the mark. So, sin is missing the mark by any amount. You are only righteous if you hit the mark, everything else falls short. And in a Christian concept of righteousness, falling short by any amount is significant, because scripture tells us that the consequence of sin (any sin, any falling short of God's standard of righteous perfection) is death.

Think of it like this, imagine you have to escape from a burning building, and the only way out is to climb to the roof and there board a helicopter that will take you to safety. You and many others are all in the same predicament. And the message comes to all of you of who you be saved. Some decide that they don't want to climb to the roof, they instead head a different way and get trapped by the fire. Some think the whole thing is a fairy tale and they do nothing, only to be consumed by the fire where they sat. Some like you head for the roof, but lolly-gag around about it and are overtaken by the fire. And then there is you who actually makes the roof and see the helicopter. Now the helicopter can't land on the roof because of TV and radio antenae but it has lowered a ladder down for you to take hold of and once you grab hold it will fly you away to safety. The helicopter has flies as low to the roof as it possiblity can without become ensared in the antennae, but the ladder is still just a little bit out of your reach. You stretch out your hand, and can almost touch the bottom rung with your finger tips, but not quite. Finally just as the roof starts to collapse around you, you make one last attempt to save yourself and jump and fall .1 millimeter short. You plunge back into the fire and die.

Now tell me, what was more signigificant, the direction you went, the obstacles you overcame, the amount you climbed, or the fraction you fell short? That is the way it is with sin. Fall short or fall long, either way, you just fall.

Also, when it comes to forgiveness of our sins or shortcomings, it doesn't isn't any more difficult for God to offer grace and still accept us despite our big sins than it does for him to do so despite our little sins. Certainly, from a human persepctive those of us who are aware of the enormous shortcomings present in our lives in meausring up to what we know God wills for us will experience a greater sense of gratitude because of it. But truly, it is God's grace, not how big or small our sins are that enable us to be saved at all. So there is no point in thinking that I am not as bad as someone else. Without God's grace, we all end up in the same place whether we are talking big sins or little sins, sin is sin and it means spiritual death (and eternal separation from God) in the long run. Unless you can figure out how to have larger and smaller lengths of eternity without God, then the whole idea of larger and smaller punishments just does not apply.

I think you even have this same things with respect to forgiveness in Islam:
Then the Messenger of Allah said, ‘Did you not know that Islam wipes out what came before it, and that Hijrah [Emigration for Allaah's cause] wipes out what came before it and that Hajj [the Pilgrimage performed in Makkah] wipes out what came before it!” (Sahih Muslim).
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So it is that it matters not how small or big the sin was in the past, they are all equally wiped out by Allah's unmatched forgiveness. Is that fair? Is it fair that a person who has committed genocide might in submitting to Islam might find the same level of forgiveness that one who was just rude in a moment of anger? Is it fair that through the same process of submitting to Allah they they might each find the same reward though one had done truly horrible things and one that which appears less so. But the real sin lies deeper than either genocide or rudeness is that they had lived lives that were not in submission to Allah. This is what was really changed in become Muslim. And Allah forgives them both that equally. And when they repent of that sin of not submitting and start submitting, then both leave the past behind equally as well. Yes the genocidal murder realized the greater grace that he has experienced, but if the rude person had not also given his life over to Allah and submitted, he would have been just as lost as if he had been a genocidal murderer. So, it seems, whether we are talking Christianity or Islam, a sin is a sin, and the difference is not the size of our sins, but whether we live in our sins or in God's/Allah's will.


Hope that helps.


(BTW, since when did this thread become "Things in Christianity Malaikah is curious about"? :D )
 
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first sister conserning the Fatwas thread ,it will be easier for me to write it in arabic (in this forum or as an attached text file) so if that is okay with you plz tell me

second for Grace Seeker ,

i hope you are really a Grace seeker and i would like to thank you for what good arguments you have been using with Atheists.

and about the Tawba in islam
is when a muslim leaves and regrets and desides not to do a sin again then all his previous sins becomes as good deeds .

as in the Quran meanings translation (three translations):

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YUSUFALI: Unless he repents, believes, and works righteous deeds, for Allah will change the evil of such persons into good, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful,
PICKTHAL: Save him who repenteth and believeth and doth righteous work; as for such, Allah will change their evil deeds to good deeds. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: Except him who repents and believes and does a good deed; so these are they of whom Allah changes the evil deeds to good ones; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

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YUSUFALI: And whoever repents and does good has truly turned to Allah with an (acceptable) conversion;-
PICKTHAL: And whosoever repenteth and doeth good, he verily repenteth toward Allah with true repentance -
SHAKIR: And whoever repents and does good, he surely turns to Allah a (goodly) turning.


and if you thought of it with a logic way ,you will know that whatever what you do there is a chance for you to repent ,it means you always have a second and third and .etc chances

but that don't mean that you spend all of your life doing sins with the intention to repent before dying

because we never know when will we die and we may die while doing this sin.

finally muslims schoolars mention that there is some things that we must do for our repent to be full and one of them is that if you have stealed from someone or took something from him then you must return what you have took.

and for those who wants to repent after killing someone then if he does a full repent then Allah will compensate the one who have been killed and forgive the one who have killed him.

i hope i was able to clear my points ...
 


Salaam/peace;

hemoo said:
first sister conserning the Fatwas thread ,it will be easier for me to write it in arabic (in this forum or as an attached text file) so if that is okay with you plz tell me
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-- I m non-Arab. So , u have to translate at least the main point/subject .

and about the Tawba in islam
is when a muslim leaves and regrets and desides not to do a sin again then all his previous sins becomes as good deeds .

as in the Quran meanings translation (three translations):




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YUSUFALI: Unless he repents, believes, and works righteous deeds, for Allah will change the evil of such persons into good, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful,
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---to my knowledge ,it's for new MUSLIMS/ reverts .


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hemoo said:
first sister conserning the Fatwas thread ,it will be easier for me to write it in arabic (in this forum or as an attached text file) so if that is okay with you plz tell me
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my guess is the majority of even the muslims here do not know arabic that well. if you post it in english we can all learn.
thanks.
 
Grace Seeker said:
I think you even have this same things with respect to forgiveness in Islam: So it is that it matters not how small or big the sin was in the past, they are all equally wiped out by Allah's unmatched forgiveness.
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I would agree that we all rely upon the Mercy of Allah for the forgiveness of our sins and shortcomings. There is nothing that we can do to harm Allah in the slightest way and there is no sin so large that He can't forgive. If one repents, Allah can forgive even the greatest sin of someone ascribing partners to Him. Likewise, there is nothing that we can do to benefit Allah whatsoever and nothing that we can do to earn salvation for even so-called "martyrdom" can be done with the wrong intention.

We must remember that in addition to being immeasurably Merciful, Allah is also Just in His Judgement.
 
Malaikah said:
lol, sorry! :D

Thanks for the reply, but I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. :)
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That's OK. It won't be either the first or the last. But since you have brought it up....Does Islam teach that certain sins can distance one more from Allah than others? Does Islam teach that certain sins are harder for Allah to forgive than others?
 
Yes certain sins are more "sinful" and of a more serious nature than other. Murder is a sin, so is telling a "white" lie. Obviously they are not sins of equal damage. One is a major sin and the other is a minor sin. If you were a murderer, you would have to repent a lot more. And Allah Taala forgives whomsoever He pleases.
 
Grace Seeker said:
That's OK. It won't be either the first or the last. But since you have brought it up....Does Islam teach that certain sins can distance one more from Allah than others? Does Islam teach that certain sins are harder for Allah to forgive than others?
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Forgive me if I am wrong but I believe the greatest sin that Allah has told us of (no offence meant) is associating anything or anyone with G-d (ie worshiping idols, saying Jesus (pbuh) is the son of God, the Trinity, etc).

If you think about it this reduces to G-d to one of a multitude and there is nothing as great as G-d. He is one and there can be only one.

It is said in a hadith that Allah forgave a prostitute (even though this is such a big sin) because she went down into a water well and brought up water in her shoe for a dog dying of thirst. Allah is merciful and forgiving.
 
Thanks for the last two replies, but I wasn't really looking for a listing of sins from worst to least or vice versa.

I was asking what are basically two Yes or No questions? But as it seems to already be leading to tangents, let me just ask one question now, and if relevant, then I may have a follow-up.


Does Islam teach that certain sins are more difficult for Allah to forgive than other sins?
 
Yes... there is such a thing as a "cardinal sin" the unforgivable sort-- obviousely shirk and kufr are the head and Atlas of it all..

peace!
 
Grace Seeker said:
Thanks for the last two replies, but I wasn't really looking for a listing of sins from worst to least or vice versa.

I was asking what are basically two Yes or No questions? But as it seems to already be leading to tangents, let me just ask one question now, and if relevant, then I may have a follow-up.



Does Islam teach that certain sins are more difficult for Allah to forgive than other sins?
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Greetings Grace Seeker,

It is going to be very difficult to answer that question in an Islamic manner that most non-Muslims can understand.

For that reason my reply is basicaly analogous and spoken in a manner I belief a Non-Muslim can understand. Although it is far from being exact.



No sins are more difficult for Allah(swt) to forgive. He only needs to think it and it is forgiven.


I do not believe that means all sins are equal.

I see the differences in sins as being more closely to be, it is for the sinner to be willing to repent for them. we alone carry the responsibility of seeking forgiveness. Allah(swt) has no trouble in forgiving anything.

However we do have one unforgivable sin. The sin of Shirk. That has similar connotations of the The Christian unforgivable sin being to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Both of them carry the connotation of a person dying unrepentant of placing his belief in something besides Allah(swt)
 
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Woodrow said:
Greetings Grace Seeker,

It is going to be very difficult to answer that question in an Islamci manner that most non-Muslims can understand.

For that reason my reply is basicaly analogous and spoken in a manner I belief a Non-Muslim can understand. Although it is far from being exact.



No sins are more difficult for Allah(swt) to forgive. He only needs to think it and it is forgiven.


I do not believe that means all sins are equal.

I see the differences in sins as being more closely to be, it is for the sinner to be willing to repent for them. we alone carry the responsibility of seeking forgiveness. Allah(swt) has no trouble in forgiving anything.

However we do have one unforgivable sin. The sin of Shirk. That has similar connotations of the The Christian unforgivable sin being to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Both of them carry the connotation of a person dying unrepentant of placing his belief in something besides Allah(swt)
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Thanks Woodrow,
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I certainly can understand that some questions probably just don't fit for Islamic mindset. I've felt that way when Muslim get confused as to what we Christians are talking about with respect to the Trinity. So I have to expect that the reverse might also be true with regard to other issues.

I appreciate that you gave me the kindergarten version first. I also see in it, that in your analogy you were able to properly differentiate that for a Christian the problem with blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, isn't something akin to cursing by the turning of one's back on God and refusing to seek God's help to be cleansed of one's sins -- blasphemers think that they can cleanse themselves of their sins by their own human efforts through things like meritorius service and good works. For the Christian these sorts of things flow out of the righteousness God creates in us, rather than a way for us to create enough righteousness so that we become good enough for God. No one is ever able to make him or herself good enough for God, no matter what all they do. The problem with blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is that people really do think that they don't need God to get good.

So, what would your answer look like if you gave me a Jr. High version of it? Help this Christian to think a little more Islamicly -- just if you have to use terms I am not accustomed to, like shirk and kufr, please define them so that I don't use a mistaken interpretation of them I may have picked up in some other thread.

Peace.
 
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