Those who deny every AHadith might as well have an 'the non-believers' t-shirt

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Salamalaykum,

Today this is in my mind. I made a poem about why it is so absurd for any Muslim to try to defy AHadith on any grounds; they present themselves as atheists when they align to denying AHadith. Not everybody need be enabled to comprehend every AHadith for us all to need to attempt to.

But worst is that they suppose that because there is a method of transmission of AHadith, which they themselves can aspire to becoming a contributor to, that that in itself is the definition of the AHadith not being any accurate representation of belief in Allah.

Perhaps I should like to publish my poem about this. I might have misplaced it but.

One of the most hilarious aspects of such persons who try to counter belief by telling that it can not be real only because they like to try to have it; is that they are who tend to be thought of by the world's governments of nation states, as representative of any person in true Islam.

What do they think, that because they could lever things such as the down fall of the australian labour Whitlam government, by charging us aussies that he was wrong in not abiding in shari'ah, that thereby they might benefit now from blaming us aussies for showing only a capitalist form of governance? When they themselves can be so amply shown to be not in belief in shari'ah, and will no doubt become shown up in that atheism among every of the Americans and Arabs eventually, and so undermine their own economy: what effect might only one poem have?

The terrible thing is that I am all the more likely to find a publisher for such poetry here in australia if that section of the community here, whose public identity is in Islam, are not accepting my own Islam, or enabling that my prayer be protected from those here who love only shirk. If they continue to try to prevent any Zakat from reaching the most needy in Islam among australians, and since they are also proven in among us australians to have been portionally causal to the fall of the whitlam government, while they also are the same people who sponsor and promote a belief that AHadith are wrong only because they have noticed the process of transmission: WHY Surely they are who did fund that Australia might again be enabled in Socialism!

Salam
 
wa alaikum
I made a poem about why it is so absurd for any Muslim to try to defy AHadith on any grounds
Do you know the difference between following every hadith and following Sunnah of RasulAllah PBUH?

salam
 
I most certainly am so following Sunnah: and in my Islam, In Sunni way, I every day in every breath work towards being in adherence with that maximum quantity of AHadith and Surah verses as is possible to sustain in any moment: and in every moment in which I am not sustaining the full Sunnah I am also consciously accepting that the Angel of Death is whom I am becoming in debt to by any tiniest non-observance.

Those who use Sunnah to implicate that not every AHadith might be true since they can not adhere to every of in every moment, are engaging in shirk and are either deluded about Sunnah thereby, or are also in kafr.

The truth is just that we have not yet the ability to commence sustaining ourselves in the real world in every moment.
 
wasalam:

The verse at 17:81, made bold below, is often held up as a single verse out of the context of its surah, as though it alone can prove that the state of mankind already should be able to be in adherence to every Ahadith and every verse of every surah all at the same time in every moment. And then there are persons whom claim that since such is impossible in their own body, it must be also impossible in any time for every person, even those of us already so able, and so they disbelieve the believers, because they themselves have not yet found out real belief in Qur'an. If they believe Qur'an then also will they believe every AHadith, even if not immediately physically able to be in total unison with every part of Shari'ah right now.

But if you read the verse well within its context, it becomes apparent that truth which has now arrived, is Qur'an. Falsehood first then began a long process of perishing permanently, and first in the mind of Mohammed, and then in the minds of his companions, and in the minds of those His companions taught, and so on and so forth, until eventually there can be no mind left whom is not in total conjunction with every AHadith and all of Qur'an; and every teaching of every Prophet.

Beware of making assumptions that because your own mind can not, that another Human beings mind also can not. I can believe and I am not so foolhardy as to assume that the process of your belief is without struggle and hardship, and many unwanted excercises in self-discipline. Belief in reality is grown from a tiny seed, into a stronger tree than any wood yet here growing. The seed is first received in full by Mohammed. And in its nature that seed teaches us of all that now is, because reality ever was and ever will be, and it is only in our own selves and minds we had become deluded into the non-real world.

See this verse 17:81 is about engaging with Qur'an to enable prayer and in that to become able to recognise reality. Perhaps those who can not believe in every AHadith will remember about the spaces between the matter they can see, and wonder upon what it is in reality that I can see and they are not yet able to.

English Yusuf Ali:

[17:77](This was Our) way with the messengers We sent before thee: thou wilt find no change in Our ways.

[17:78]Establish regular prayers - at the sun's decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading: for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony.

[17:79]And pray in the small watches of the morning: (it would be) an additional prayer (or spiritual profit) for thee: soon will thy Lord raise thee to a Station of Praise and Glory!

[17:80]Say: "O my Lord! Let my entry be by the Gate of Truth and Honour, and likewise my exit by the Gate of Truth and Honour; and grant me from Thy Presence an authority to aid (me)."

[17:81]And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."

[17:82]We send down (stage by stage) in the Qur'an that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe: to the unjust it causes nothing but loss after loss.

[17:83]Yet when We bestow Our favours on man, he turns away and becomes remote on his side (instead of coming to Us), and when evil seizes him he gives himself up to despair!

[17:84]Say: "Everyone acts according to his own disposition: But your Lord knows best who it is that is best guided on the Way."

[17:85]They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)"

[17:87]Except for Mercy from thy Lord: for his bounty is to thee (indeed) great.

[17:88]Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.

[17:89]And We have explained to man, in this Qur'an, every kind of similitude: yet the greater part of men refuse (to receive it) except with ingratitude!

Learn gratitude for Sunnah MASH ALLAH!

Salam
 
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I know a person, who has denied all Ahadiths and in some instances even altered the meaning of Quranic verses (Astaghfirullah) into his own interpretations. He is my close relative. His mother says, that my sons thoughts r like that of a kafir. He think zakat is not fardh etc etc. (Astaghfirullah). This person, faces hardship in life. He has no good job and seems like he has fallen into bad company who r taking him away from his deen.

What can we do for such ppl? :enough!:
 
Interesting, I don't understand the whole background. I do have a question, is there a significance to writing AHadith instead of Ahadith?
 
Peace;
Because you believe in every "Hadith" it means you believe in that :
PROPHETS USED TO TELL LIE :

Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah)
Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 62 :: Hadith 21
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said: Abraham did not tell lies except three. (One of them was) when Abraham passed by a tyrant and (his wife) Sara was accompanying him (Abu Huraira then mentioned the whole narration and said:) (The tyrant) gave her Hajar. Sara said, "Allah saved me from the hands of the Kafir (i.e. infidel) and gave me Hajar to serve me." (Abu Huraira added:) That (Hajar) is your mother, O Banu Ma'-As-Sama' (i.e., the Arabs).

PROPHETS USED TO RUN NAKED IN FRONT OF PEOPLE;
Bathing (Ghusl)
Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 5 :: Hadith 277
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, 'The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, 'By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.' So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, "My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, 'By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body. Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone." Abu Huraira added, "By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating."

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "When the Prophet Job (Aiyub) was taking a bath naked, golden locusts began to fall on him. Job started collecting them in his clothes. His Lord addressed him, 'O Job! Haven't I given you enough so that you are not in need of them.' Job replied, 'Yes!' By Your Honor (power)! But I cannot dispense with Your Blessings.' "
 
Eagle, do you know arabic?

And the story of Moses is hardly what it is entitled, the title gives the impression that it was done as a hobby. Come on man.
 
Eagle, do you know arabic?

And the story of Moses is hardly what it is entitled, the title gives the impression that it was done as a hobby. Come on man.
Peace;
If you have objection on title ,you can give your own title.But the fact is that "Prophet Moses ran naked in front of people" according to this Hadith.
If translation is wrong which I picked up from the net, please post the exact Arabic Hadith and translate it yourself.
 
Peace;
If you have objection on title ,you can give your own title.But the fact is that "Prophet Moses ran naked in front of people" according to this Hadith.
If translation is wrong which I picked up from the net, please post the exact Arabic Hadith and translate it yourself.

Peace be upon ya too.

I don't know if it is the right translation, I have heard different views on the translation, I'll leave it to a arabic speaker, thats why I asked if you knew arabic.

As for the title, then I'd have no qualms in the hadith presented itself.

:) I'd a thought other instances of miracles harder to believe that the above mentioned.

Eesa
 
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I've deleted some posts, and alhamdulillah many of the claims have been refuted clearly already throughout the forum.


I'll give some relevant links insha Allaah:


http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/hadeeth_rejecters

Ahadeeth myths

http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic...-do-some-people-completely-reject-hadith.html



I'll let the thread continue insha Allaah, and if we get more people spamming the thread - mods please do delete them posts insha Allaah. :)


If anyone is sincere and really wants to clear any doubts they may have about some ahadith, then they can ask politely, and we will try our best to clarify insha Allaah.
 
:salamext:


I've deleted some posts, and alhamdulillah many of the claims have been refuted clearly already throughout the forum.


I'll give some relevant links insha Allaah:


http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/hadeeth_rejecters

Ahadeeth myths

http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic...-do-some-people-completely-reject-hadith.html



I'll let the thread continue insha Allaah, and if we get more people spamming the thread - mods please do delete them posts insha Allaah. :)


If anyone is sincere and really wants to clear any doubts they may have about some ahadith, then they can ask politely, and we will try our best to clarify insha Allaah.
Peace:
There is a lot of difference in rejecting "all" Hadiths and rejecting "non acceptable " stuff.
If you accept above quoted Hadiths,then you can see what is the picture and chracter of the Prophets portrayed in them.
Is islamic teaching about prophets consitent with them ?
 
Eagle, i can assure you that we respect the Prophets of Allaah much more than any other faith does. There may be some things which you, and sometimes we as muslims don't understand or lack, yet that doesn't mean that it isn't true.

Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah)
Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 62 :: Hadith 21
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said: Abraham did not tell lies except three. (One of them was) when Abraham passed by a tyrant and (his wife) Sara was accompanying him (Abu Huraira then mentioned the whole narration and said: (The tyrant) gave her Hajar. Sara said, "Allah saved me from the hands of the Kafir (i.e. infidel) and gave me Hajar to serve me." (Abu Huraira added: That (Hajar) is your mother, O Banu Ma'-As-Sama' (i.e., the Arabs).



This was to save his and his wive's life [and this is permissible i.e. you may say something which has a double meaning in order to save your life], otherwise Nimrod [the evil tyrant] would take her (Sarah) as a concubine (slave) and kill Abraham (peace be upon him.) Since this was his custom when travellers would walk past i.e. if a man was to say that the woman with him is his wife.


Bathing (Ghusl)
Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 5 :: Hadith 277
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, 'The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, 'By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.' So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, "My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, 'By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body. Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone." Abu Huraira added, "By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating."
Nowhere did it state within that hadith that Moses had a bad habit of doing evil - infact it's stated within the hadith itself that Moses WOULDN'T have a bath with the people while they would do it publically.

Then it further states in the hadith that these people would say evil about Moses, and claim that he has some disease - this is why he doesn't do it in public. Yet Allaah wanted to show these people that their false claims against Allaah's honorable Prophet is a lie, so He allowed Moses (peace be upon him)'s body to be shown - to show that he was free from the evil they said about him. It even shows that Moses was angry when the rock moved, so he harmed it.


Does this make Moses (peace be upon him) seem evil or good and modest? Without a doubt he was honorable in the sight of Allaah, a great Messenger, and he was modest. A true sign of a Prophet of Allaah.



Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "When the Prophet Job (Aiyub) was taking a bath naked, golden locusts began to fall on him. Job started collecting them in his clothes. His Lord addressed him, 'O Job! Haven't I given you enough so that you are not in need of them.' Job replied, 'Yes!' By Your Honor (power)! But I cannot dispense with Your Blessings.'


Does this hadith state that Prophet Ayyub/Job (peace be upon him) was having a bath in public? Don't you have a bath also? So what's so surprising about this? Without a doubt the amazing thing about this hadith is the fact that Prophet Ayyub/Job was rewarded greatly for his patience after the trial Allaah tested him with. As an example for the rest of mankind.




And Allaah knows best.




Peace.
 
Eagle, i can assure you that we respect the Prophets of Allaah much more than any other faith does.
Yes "respect" is very much apparent in these Hadiths.

There may be some things which you, and sometimes we as muslims don't understand or lack, yet that doesn't mean that it isn't true.

Why this mystery of undrstanding.Relgions are and should as transparent as the light of sun.Because Religions are said to Divine Verdict.If numerical law is
2+2= 4.
Then why not Religions including Islam.Secondly God could not disclose through any means except to make Prophet Moses run naked in the Public? What a disgrace !!!




This was to save his and his wive's life [and this is permissible i.e. you may say something which has a double meaning in order to save your life], otherwise Nimrod [the evil tyrant] would take her (Sarah) as a concubine (slave) and kill Abraham (peace be upon him.) Since this was his custom when travellers would walk past i.e. if a man was to say that the woman with him is his wife.
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You are missing ,the Hadith is talking about "Three Lies " not one.
 
wa alaikum


I made a poem about why it is so absurd for any Muslim to try to defy AHadith on any grounds
Do you know the difference between following every hadith and following Sunnah of RasulAllah PBUH?

salam
I most certainly am so following Sunnah: and in my Islam, In Sunni way, I every day in every breath work towards being in adherence with that maximum quantity of AHadith and Surah verses as is possible to sustain in any moment: and in every moment in which I am not sustaining the full Sunnah I am also consciously accepting that the Angel of Death is whom I am becoming in debt to by any tiniest non-observance.

Those who use Sunnah to implicate that not every AHadith might be true since they can not adhere to every of in every moment, are engaging in shirk and are either deluded about Sunnah thereby, or are also in kafr.

The truth is just that we have not yet the ability to commence sustaining ourselves in the real world in every moment.
I repeat:
  1. Do you know the difference between following every hadith and following Sunnah of RasulAllah PBUH?
  2. If so explain what the difference is? and if you think their is no difference, what makes you say that?
  3. Is Shariah based on following every hadith?
  4. if no, then explain why not
 
Yes "respect" is very much apparent in these Hadiths.


Or maybe the hadith shows the disrespect the former people had when following their Prophets?



Why this mystery of undrstanding.Relgions are and should as transparent as the light of sun.Because Religions are said to Divine Verdict.If numerical law is
2+2= 4.
Then why not Religions including Islam.


There are concepts which make sense, maybe not at a certain time in history due to ones position in history. etc. i.e. many Prophecies & discoveries have only been realized once science has advanced, yet someone from a former time wouldn't ever understand the concept since they never had that science.

So to say that something can't be explained within one period in history doesn't mean that there isn't an answer to it in the future.


Therefore 2+2= 4 and remains that way.



Secondly God could not disclose through any means except to make Prophet Moses run naked in the Public? What a disgrace !!!


So maybe you could show another way on how this 'disease' of scrotal hernia could be 'exposed' ?


If you're going to wonder why they said evil about him, or why this hadith was stated - it may be to show how rebellious many of the children of Israel really were against their Messenger.




You are missing ,the Hadith is talking about "Three Lies " not one.


So i'm losing it now? Wasn't it you who brought forward the hadith? Why didn't you then quote it fully yourself?


Anyway to clarify the other two anyway;

1) Prophet Abraham wasn't an idolator, he wasn't a polytheist, rather he worshipped Allaah our Creator and Sustainer Alone. Therefore when his family and those who disbelieved left to celebration which involved evil practises, he purposelly stated that he was ill in order to avoid going to the places of sin.

2) When he broke an idol of the polytheists, the polytheists returned and asked him who broke the rest;
He said, "Rather, this - the largest of them - did it, so ask them, if they should [be able to] speak."

So they returned to [blaming] themselves and said [to each other], "Indeed, you are the wrongdoers."

Then they reversed themselves, [saying], "You have already known that these do not speak!"

He said, "Then do you worship instead of Allah that which does not benefit you at all or harm you?

Uff to you and to what you worship instead of Allah . Then will you not use reason?"

They said, "Burn him and support your gods - if you are to act."

Allah said, "O fire, be coolness and safety upon Abraham."

And they intended for him harm, but We made them the greatest losers.

And We delivered him and Lot to the land which We had blessed for the worlds.

[Qur'an Al-Anbiya (the Prophets) 21: 63-71]


So in reality, it wasn't a lie anyway.





Peace.
 
:salamext:


Bro doorster, can't we just explain to the sister using wisdom? Sis Curaezipirid agree's with the Sunnah and that's something praiseworthy. So instead of always arguing amongst ourselves - we explain to the other and we find excuses for our brothers and sisters in faith. We clarify the correct position, and that is that. :)


Ahadith can be weak, however - the Sunnah is authentically attributed to the Messenger of Allaah, Muhammad (peace be upon him.)



Eagle, if your posts continue within this thread - then they'll have to be deleted. If you want another thread, then please start it elsewhere if you have the intention to learn.


Thankyou.




Peace.
 

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