Tolerance, acceptance of Islam a valuable lesson

[MTAFFI]

there is more than one definition. Just because thats how its being used now, doesnt mean that exactly the definition. The definition is always changing when they want to fit it for a purpose.


Ex:

so by your thoughts a terrorist is anyone who kills someone else? I think you are making this something it isnt, he wasnt a terrorist he was a cold blooded killer. Please tell me where he stated a purpose political, religious or otherwise. He was picked on, he didnt like people and he was delusional. Sorry he is just another wacko, although if you really need him to be, you can classify him however you wish.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

I would take him to be just a blood thirsty killer if he hadnt brought religion into it, But thats not the case. Err but I think I've gone off topic. I apologise if i DID offend anyone...I get angry quick.
Peace

 

[- Qatada -]

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Maasha Allaah kool article sis Shirein.


Sis jazzy, allow it. What they class as terrorist today will be a best friend tomorrow, so there's really no point arguing. It's common sense that anyone who instills terror into others is terrorising them, so yes - that guy could be classed as one.

 

[Uthman]

I would never compare myself to our Beloved Prophet. Cuz I know I'll never be anywhere near him. SubhanAllah. And I feel more annoyed than what I'm showing. So think bout that for a sec.

Sister Jazzy, I know we disagree on this but I just want to clarify my position in case anyone misunderstands.

I never asked you to compare yourself to our beloved Prophet. Rather, I asked you to take his example. It is said after all in 33:21 that:

Indeed in the Messenger of Allâh (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allâh and the Last Day and remembers Allâh much.

Furthermore, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is reported to have said:

'Teach the people and give them glad tidings. Do not make things difficult. And if you get angry, remain silent.' (Musnad Ahmad, Musnad al-Tayâlisî, and al-Adab al-Mufrad Bukhârî)

Anyway, do not worry for I was not offended and I do apologise for going off-topic.

Hi MTAFFI,



What does esp. mean?

especially

Then, from your definition, a political purpose is not required for an act to be labelled terrorism.

Regards
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[MTAFFI]

Sister Jazzy, I know we disagree on this but I just want to clarify my position in case anyone misunderstands.

I never asked you to compare yourself to our beloved Prophet. Rather, I asked you to take his example. It is said after all in 33:21 that:

Indeed in the Messenger of Allâh (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allâh and the Last Day and remembers Allâh much.

Furthermore, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is reported to have said:

'Teach the people and give them glad tidings. Do not make things difficult. And if you get angry, remain silent.' (Musnad Ahmad, Musnad al-Tayâlisî, and al-Adab al-Mufrad Bukhârî)

Anyway, do not worry for I was not offended and I do apologise for going off-topic.





Then, from your definition, a political purpose is not required for an act to be labelled terrorism.

Regards
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I suppose that could be true, but who was he intimidating or coercing? Anyone who could have been intimidated was eliminated and there was no coercing, he wanted nothing but people to die.

Also to Jazzy, did he say that he would do everything he did in the name of God or Jesus? Or did he simply mention Jesus?

Personally I dont care if he is a terrorist or a killer, it doesnt change the nature of his being, so anyone can label them whatever they want and in a certain light he could be either. However, I dont know what this has to do with Muslim terrorist or how it is supposed to change anything about them, they are equally as bad as this guy, in my opinion. So many people speaking out about this guy, wanting to label him, too bad no one wants to say anything about the ones in Iraq, Afghan or other places. Cant you see you are concentrating on the wrong thing here?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

No, cuz unfortunately, its the topic of the century. Can't u tell? :X

 

[Cognescenti]

Jazzy,

Then would you imagine Muhammad (pbuh) saying such a thing to Cognescenti if he were in your place?

If you can, then that's fine. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Not to worry, Osman. Even though I am not of the Muslim faith, I find the words of the Prophet you posted here so undeniably sensible and humane, I will, unilaterally, it seems, attempt to adhere to them in this thread.

As for the use of the word "ignorant", yes..it does mean one who is unaware or ill-informed or who does not know. Even though it might be misconstrued in less friendly environs as an insult, I do not take offence, for, in her heart, I'm sure that was not Jazzy's intent :X

Meanwhile I am going to think a bit over the delicious irony of the use of "cognescenti" and "ignorant" in such close proximity.

 

[MTAFFI]

No, cuz unfortunately, its the topic of the century. Can't u tell? :X

And I suppose you are referring to the VT incident, correct me if I am wrong..

 

[Shirien]

lol wow subhanallah, it's nice to see some discussion. if you want to know what i mean about hate mail, just go to the website and see all the comments people posted under my column

walhamdulillah. honestly if someone calls you moderate these days, that's an insult. You know you're on the truth when people think your "extreme" when all you're doing is following the way of the Salaf.

wallahu ta'ala alem.

anyway I could tell that you were non-muslim from your first couple of posts in this thread.

I'm not going to sugarcoat Islam or the reality of things. those who have a hatred in their hearts for Islam, those whom Allah has put a seal on their hearts will NEVER be pleased with Muslims, until muslims compromise their deen.

Nasrullah wa fathu kareeb.

We won't compromise, and the Victory of Allah is near.. walhamdulillah.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^:thumbs_up

 

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2ryt, masha Allaah!

 

[Cognescenti]

..
anyway I could tell that you were non-muslim from your first couple of posts in this thread.

Alas! I am discovered!

I'm not going to sugarcoat Islam or the reality of things. those who have a hatred in their hearts for Islam, those whom Allah has put a seal on their hearts will NEVER be pleased with Muslims, until muslims compromise their deen.

Nasrullah wa fathu kareeb.

We won't compromise, and the Victory of Allah is near.. walhamdulillah.

Compromise? Who said anything about compromise? Want to dress according to hijab..fine with me. Let me tell you a story about cultural mistrust (because most of the problem is cultural..not religious when you get down to it). I am a pediatrician. I was assigned a newborn to see in the hospital. The nurses stop me beforehand and warn me the father is "very aggressive" and he is literally frighteneing the nurses and making all kinds of demands. He stands very close, speaks loudly and brusquely as if speaking to a servant. I look at the name on the chart and I begin to understand. I enter the room..it is semi private with a curtain separating the two beds. The baby is on the far side of the room..so I knock and introduce myself..a woman says "come in". I walk across the room and this really intense Syrian guy (the dad) literally jumps out of his chair and blocks my path like a linebacker and stands about 6 inches away staring me down with a scowl on his face a bunch of hair coming out of his shirt. He refuses my offer of a handshake. So I'm thinking "what a nutjob". I can see why he scared the nurses but I am bigger than him and I can see that he also has a look of uncertainty in his face. Then it occurs to me that he doesn't want me to get too close to his wife. So I stand back behind the curtain so I can only see him and direct him to bring the baby over. The whole scene is absurd because now I am standing on the side of the curtain with an unrelated Mexican American mom. While Mr. Syria is getting the baby, I make the universal crazy sign and quietly say "loco" and by her laughter I can see I have permission to check the other mom's baby on her side of the room. He asks me when it is safe to fly the baby back to Syria and I say about 30 days and he tells me it is 40 days (IIRC) according to his custom (Syrian or Islam I'm not sure). I think he was relieved to deduce from my name I wasn't Jewish too. Now we are best buds :rollseyes

The point of the story is, he didn't need to "compromise" his beliefs. He could have saved himself and the staff grief had he simply clearly expressed his wishes ahead of time (and paid the extra $100 for a private room ..the cheapskate). Who was at fault here for the is lack of understanding? Did the nurses have "Hatred in their hearts"? These were educated American women. They are not accustomed to being treated like servants and they resented it...and they were physically afraid of him. He may, however. well go home and tell his family about the "hatred" of Americans toward Islam. They will likely accept the claim because it fits their existing template.

As 90% of the deaths in Iraq are now do to intersectarian hatred, I would suggest to you an unpleasant reality. Most of the "hatred towad Islam" comes from within. On this forum, Jews and Americans are routinely savaged with shockingly anit-Semitic or anti-American rants based largely on propaganda...but when one types in the name of a certain 19th century Saudi the very word is blocked by the software as if it were an obsenity.

There is a lot of work to do and it isn't, as you imply with George Bush supporters at LSU.

BTW...I think I know what you mean with language like "Victory of Allah is near"...but I would suggest you be careful with the use of that phrase. We wouldn't want to promote any more Islam-haters..would we?

 

[Shirien]

thanks for trying to give me advice. however, i must decline. perhaps you didnt see that you were the perfect example of what I was saying when you said "perhaps you should avoid using words like...."

You're asking me to compromise .

who said anything about Compromise, Allah The Al-Mighty did in his Noble book, in the Chapter called "Al-Qalam" or "the Pen":

7. Verily, your Lord knows better, who (among men) has gone astray from His Path, and He knows better those who are guided.

8. So (O Muhammad SAW) obey not the deniers [(of Islâmic Monotheism those who belie the Verses of Allâh), the Oneness of Allâh, and the Messenger of Allâh (Muhammad SAW), etc.][]

9. They wish that you should compromise (in religion out of courtesy) with them, so they (too) would compromise with you.

 

[MTAFFI]

thanks for trying to give me advice. however, i must decline. perhaps you didnt see that you were the perfect example of what I was saying when you said "perhaps you should avoid using words like...."

You're asking me to compromise .

who said anything about Compromise, Allah The Al-Mighty did in his Noble book, in the Chapter called "Al-Qalam" or "the Pen":

7. Verily, your Lord knows better, who (among men) has gone astray from His Path, and He knows better those who are guided.

8. So (O Muhammad SAW) obey not the deniers [(of Islâmic Monotheism those who belie the Verses of Allâh), the Oneness of Allâh, and the Messenger of Allâh (Muhammad SAW), etc.][]

9. They wish that you should compromise (in religion out of courtesy) with them, so they (too) would compromise with you.

so it is your way or the highway huh?

 

[- Qatada -]

so it is your way or the highway huh?

Doesn't she have the right to her opinions either?

 

[King Solomon]

Doesn't she have the right to her opinions either?

Yeah she does but MT was just expressing his

 

[MTAFFI]

Doesn't she have the right to her opinions either?

I never indicated, suggested or otherwise to that, just asking a simple question, is it her way or the highway, she is saying there is no compromise

 

[skhalid]

Subhanallah..alhamdulillah..walailahailallah allahuakbar!!!!

Our Lord! Take us not to task if we forget or fall into error. (2:286)

 

[Cognescenti]

thanks for trying to give me advice. however, i must decline. perhaps you didnt see that you were the perfect example of what I was saying when you said "perhaps you should avoid using words like...."

You're asking me to compromise .

I most certainly am not asking you to compromise on your religious beliefs. Is there some type of Quranic order that you purposely use the phrase "Victory of Allah is near" when the tensions between Muslims and essentially everyone else in the world are at the highest levels in 1000 yrs??? You can't pretend you are being persecuted when you purposely choose to confront non-Muslims for no more apparent reason than the joy of confrontation. Do you imagine this will win converts? Do you think this will gain you sympathy with the media? Political support? How do expect a non-Muslim to view a provocative phrase like that? If you choose to pull the tiger's tail then don't whine when you get bit...(and there is no small measure of whining in your column).

who said anything about Compromise, Allah The Al-Mighty did in his Noble book, in the Chapter called "Al-Qalam" or "the Pen":

7. Verily, your Lord knows better, who (among men) has gone astray from His Path, and He knows better those who are guided.

8. So (O Muhammad SAW) obey not the deniers [(of Islâmic Monotheism those who belie the Verses of Allâh), the Oneness of Allâh, and the Messenger of Allâh (Muhammad SAW), etc.][]

9. They wish that you should compromise (in religion out of courtesy) with them, so they (too) would compromise with you.

Fine. Don't compromise. Show your intolerance of the dominant culture in which you are living, and you can expect reciprocity. Why not reject the kuffar ways altogether? Reject roads which are constructed by kuffars with the taxes of non-believers. Reject the buildings of LSU or the newspaper which are funded with taxes on cigarettes and alcohol. Oops...look...you ARE compromising! :-[ Perhaps you should declare a philosophical objection to paying kuffar taxes which are funding a war to exterminate all Muslims (we are told).

I'll look forward to a small notice in the LSU newspaper when you are led away to <insert name of favorite US prison where torture is routinely practiced on the direct order of Alberto Gonzalez> because of your tax protest. You want to be the Muslim equivalent of Patrick Henry then do something about it and quit whining.

 

[Muezzin]

And I thought Muslims had chips on their shoulders...

The truth is, everyone is hypersensitive. 'Victory of Allah is near' means 'God will be victorious'. It's not a threat. It's a statement of fact for people who believe in a deity. If you think it is a threat, you are either woefully uninformed or simply acting like a jumpy idiot. Cho was not a terrorist, he had no political aims, and if you think he is, you are also either woefully uninformed or acting like a jumpy idiot.

I don't agree with whining for whining's sake, but I also don't agree with justifying my obvious bias against a certain group because of an altercation with a hairy Syrian ambassador from said group.

Stop acting like children, everyone. No more taking people's words absurdly out of context to further juvenile agendas. No more caustic sarcasm solely calculated to cause offence. Grow up.