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Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

I think Greek mythology had stories about some of their gods mingling with mortals in various human and non-human forms. Some people call that a pagan belief. What would you call a belief that a god also manifests itself in mortal form?
 
Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

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I have heard this comparison too. But I would like to comment that originally it was said for a quite another purpose:


The force of any comparison falters here and falls short of the truth, although I can bring to mind a feeble image of this reality which might lead us from something tangible, as it were, to the very heights and to what is beyond all speech. It is like iron, or other such material, when it is put in contact with a raging fire. It receives the fire into itself, and when it is in the very heart of the fire, if someone should beat it, then the material itself takes the battering but the nature of the fire is in noway injured by the one who strikes. This is how you should understand the way in which the Son is said both to suffer in the flesh and not to suffer in the Godhead. Although, as I said, the force of any comparison is feeble, this brings us somewhere near the truth if we have not deliberately chosen to disbelieve the Holy Scriptures.​


St. Cyril of Alexandria

Kind regards
 
Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

Oh, I am sorry, I didn't manage to quote it. This was my answer to YieldedOne, this is what he said:

The best analogy I've heard goes like this. Imagine an iron rod stuck into a fire. The iron rod NEVER CEASES being an iron rod with the properties of iron and so forth...however it DOES take on some of the properties of fire (ie causes light, can burn, etc).

Analogously speaking, let...

Iron rod <=> full human existence, the believer in Allah

Fire <=> Divine Presence, Allah's Presence

White-hot iron rod <=> fully human believer permeated (though not CONFUSED) with the energies of Allah's Presence.

This works such that two different realities (Uncreated and created) co-exist in the same being at the same time, without fusion or confusion of the two realities.

Just a thought. ;D
 
Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

If only the amount of time and energy that christians have spent looking for the next analogies of trinity be spent on actually obeying direct commands of Jesus (pbuh) himself, then we wouldn't have had christians coming up with the most absurdities of equating God to iron, rods, and fire or to urine, urine vapour and urine ice.

"I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God." (John 20:17 RSV 1952)
"Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." (Mark 10:18)
"I can do nothing of my own authority" (John 5:30)
"I do as the Father has commanded me." (John 14:31 RSV)
"The words that I say to you I do not speak of my own authority." (John 14:10 RSV)
"I do nothing of my own authority but speak thus as the Father has taught me." (John 8:28 RSV)
"The Father is greater than I." (John 14:28 RSV)
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." (Matthew 24:36)
"Abba, Father, all things are possible to thee; remove this cup from me; yet not what I will, but what thou wilt." (Mark 14:32)
"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matthew 27:46)
 
Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

Thank you my friend, by quoting the New Testament you show your respect and reverence for it, although you understand it differently than we, Orthodox Christians, do. Nevertheless I appreciate your respect. Would you allow me to show you other verses which are testifying about His Divinity as well?

1. Christ is a perfect God and a perfect Man. As a Man, like every one of us (but with one exception – He was sinless), He could speak in this way, but I’ll show you now that He could also speak as a God.
2. Don’t forget about the context behind the verses. For example Jesus said:
"Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." (Mark 10:18)
How do you know that He had not spoken with that man like this: "Why do you call me good (if you don’t believe that I am God, but call me Master)? No one is good but God alone."?

Jesus as God.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men...
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.(John 1-14)

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed. (John 20)

8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. (Colossians 2)

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. (Hebrews 1)

Jesus, God the Son, as a Creator.
3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1)

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. (Colossians 1)

8 But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. (Hebrews 1)

Jesus accepts being worshipped.
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. (Hebrews 1)
Jesus accepts the prayers unto Him.
59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon [God], and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. (Acts 7)
Jesus as the Judge of the world.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. (Mattew 25)

1 I charge [thee] therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;(2 Timothy 4)
Likewise the prophet said:
12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.(Joel 3)
Jesus as a Saviour.
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.(Luke 1)
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. (Luke 2)
42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard [him] ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world. (John 4)
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.(1 Timothy 4)
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:(2 Peter 1)
Jesus everlasting God
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.(John 17)
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.(John 17)


There are many other links which testify that Jesus Christ is a true God and true Man.


Peace unto you, my friend.
 
Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

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2. Don’t forget about the context behind the verses. For example Jesus said: "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." (Mark 10:18) How do you know that He had not spoken with that man like this: "Why do you call me good (if you don’t believe that I am God, but call me Master)? No one is good but God alone."?
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Actually the context was that Jesus was admonishing the man for calling him "good"

Why do christians make up stories and attribute something to Jesus that Jesus never even meant to?
Why do christians keep twisting the words of Jesus to suit their own ideas and opinions?

As for the rest of your post, they didn't touch or negate the verses that I post where Jesus unambiguously and clealry and directly said he is not God. Not to mention many of your bible scholars are still to this day disputing the true words and the context and who they referred to in those verses that you post.

I hope one day you stop deceiving yourself, and I hope Allah guide you to accept the real message that Jesus (pbuh) brought to the jews.
(Matthew 15:24) He (Jesus) replied, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
and you should also follow mosaic laws as Jesus said:
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17-18).

But obviously, since christians did not want to follow the very strict mosaic laws, they twisted and changed the meanings of what Jesus clearly said into the opposite.
 
Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

I would like to submit that Sufist metaphysics has concepts that allow for the analogy I mentioned.

In other words, it is not "shirk" to say that Divine Presence can "indwell" and empower a human being who totally trusts and submits to that Presence.

A person can be so "empty" of themselves in faith and trust before Allah, that Allah "fills" them with His Presence and Power.

I believe that Jesus, the sinless "word" to Mary who NEVER wavered in faith and trust in Allah, had that experience such that none of his actions were "merely" human, but were unceasingly permeated with the character and power of divine reality: Love of God and Love of Neighbor as self.

Thus, Jesus is a direct manfestation of God's creative power as human "word" who can be seen as the human "Face" of God. To see how Jesus is to see Allah in action.


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Iron rod <=> full human existence, the believer in Allah

Fire <=> Divine Presence, Allah's Presence

White-hot iron rod <=> fully human believer permeated (though not CONFUSED) with the energies of Allah's Presence.
 
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Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

Please notice, all, that I've in no way talked about Incarnation or directly associated Jesus with divine personhood. All I'm addressing is the idea that Divine Presence and human existence can CO-EXIST in the same place, time, and activity...such that mere humanity becomes true humanity: humanity in direct, surrendered love relationship with Allah. Allah is nearer to us then our own jugular veins, right?

Humans are most "divine" when they empty themselves in loving abandon, unwavering commitment, and passionate worship to Allah.

He "dwells" among the loving praise of his people.
 
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Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

Again, christians love to listen to their own misinterpretations of what Jesus (pbuh) clearly and directly said in the verses I posted above, and they created this fantasy about Jesus (pbuh) without support from Jesus' own words, and instead placed more importance on the words of others who have not been proven authentic.

It's their choice of course, but they should stop claiming it as Jesus' message when in reality it is not, and when what they are doing in terms of their religion, belief and practices are so far out of Jesus' words and practices.
 
Re: Where in the Quran and or the Hadith does it say that Jesus was human and not God

chill Gazalah what i said was meant to be a joke ; a hangover from another thread that truthseeker will be aware off.

it was obviously not a funny joke so " slaps wrist"

Love and Respect
 
Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

naidamar said:
As for the rest of your post, they didn't touch or negate the verses that I post where Jesus unambiguously and clealry and directly said he is not God.
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They don’t negate them indeed. All those verses which we post are the words of Jesus Himself.
The question is: Is Jesus just a Man? Actually the answer is given by Himself:
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, [The Son] of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? (Matthew 22)

naidamar said:
I hope one day you stop deceiving yourself, and I hope Allah guide you to accept the real message that Jesus (pbuh) brought to the jews.
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I wish that all people come to know the one true God and that they all may have eternal life in Him.
naidamar said:
(Matthew 15:24) He (Jesus) replied, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
and you should also follow mosaic laws as Jesus said:
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17-18).
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Jesus said so indeed. Jesus is the Lawgiver Himself and He made clear the true essence of the Law:
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (Mattew 22)
The mosaic Law was given to men who were under the curse of sin (all men are under this curse after Adam’s transgression). One important purpose of the Law is to make a distinction between good and evil; to forbid that what is evil. The righteous men of the Old Testament knew it and expected the coming of Messiah, who will redeem the humankind from the tyranny of death and open the way unto Heaven. This is the prophesy of Jeremiah for example:
31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.(Jeremiah 31)

Other purpose of the Law was to prepare the people for the coming of that Messiah.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am [he].(John 4)

One of the first followers of Jesus had precisely explained the aim of the Law:

22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3).

Jesus, who said: "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.", said also:

18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen. (Matthew 28)

Peace unto you.
 
Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

YieldedOne said:
Allah is nearer to us then our own jugular veins, right?
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Right.
YieldedOne said:
Please notice, all, that I've in no way talked about Incarnation or directly associated Jesus with divine personhood. All I'm addressing is the idea that Divine Presence and human existence can CO-EXIST in the same place, time, and activity...such that mere humanity becomes true humanity: humanity in direct, surrendered love relationship with Allah.
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Clearly explained. I would like to submit that don’t agree that Christianity, Judaism and Islam are equally worshipping the same Divinity.
One can clearly read in the Bible how the disciples of Jesus were filled with the Divine grace of the Holy Spirit. Their actions and words were truly directed by the Holy Spirit. As Jesus had promised:
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
So it came to pass:
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
One other verse:
1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. Our body is the Temple of the Holy Ghost.

It is possible thanks to the Suffering, Death, Resurrection and Ascension of Jesus Christ, which He accomplished for our salvation. Outside of the Holy Church this was and is not possible. I believe in a personal God, with Whom there is just one Covenant possible.

John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Kind regards, my friend.
 
Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

If jesus was god , and jesus prayed ,who did he pray to himself? explain this
And god((swt) is the almighty why would he feel the need to even act in human form
Also i have a problem with the christian belief that god(swt) punished all mankind for adams and eves sin. This is umjustice
And which we as muslims know that god is just and most merciful.
 
Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

Somehow I get the feeling that the message, the messenger and the originator of the message have been mixed up somewhere along the way.

Long ago, when I first reverted to Islam, I was told that idol-worship is forbidden in Islam. I replied that some of the so-called deities which the Chinese worship were actually real people in history. Then I was told that was one of the reasons why idol-making is forbidden in Islam, too. The ustaz who told me this explained it this way:

In the beginning, a statue was built to honor a great man. The people who were his peers respected and admired him but in no way regarded him as a deity. The next generation still remembered, respected and admired the great man but were still aware of his mortality. After a few more generations, the statue of the great man began to take on supernatural properties. The succeeding generations saw how the preceding generations treated the statue with respect but they have forgotten that it was just a statue of a mere mortal. So they began to worship the statue as a god. As their belief grew they began to see miracles resulting from their worship of the statue.

In Islam, the problem is nipped in the bud, so to say, right from the beginning by forbidding idol-making per se.

btw miracles can be found by the roadside, too. I have seen people worshipping a termite mound by the roadside. Most of them are asking for favors, especially simple things like the winning number of the upcoming lottery. Of course, somewhere along the line, one of the worshippers strike it lucky. Immediately, news of the miracle spread faster than wildfire on a parched prairie. Thus we witness the birth of a new god.

Hope this is useful. Insha Allah.
 
Where Adam and Eve literal individual human beings does the Quran and or the Hadith s

Where Adam and Eve literal individual human beings does the Quran and or the Hadith say they were real human beings not just a symbolic story as many Christians and Jews believe about Adam/Eve in their Bible ?
 
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Peace truthseeker63,

How is your journey to discover the truth going? The truth resonates with the heart, and makes sense. If Adam and Eve (peace be upon them both) were not real human beings, and are merely symbolic, then, as their children, that means that all of us are not real, we don't really exist, and we are merely symbolic.

In Islam, we do not explain away and dismiss as symbolic any parts we wish to, of our own accord, contrary to what Allah has said.

Adam and Eve (peace be upon them both) were individual real human beings, the most respected parents of the entire human race.

I leave you with some quotes from the Qur'an:

Sahih International
Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of 'Imran over the worlds (3:33)

(Being symbolic, that would make Noah and Abraham (peace be upon them) merely symbolic too)

Sahih International
Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was. (3:59)

(Being symbolic, that would make Jesus (peace be upon him) merely symbolic too)

Sahih International
O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. And fear Allah , through whom you ask one another, and the wombs. Indeed Allah is ever, over you, an Observer. (4:1)

(Being symbolic, that would make all of us merely symbolic too)

Pickthall
O Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you as he caused your (first) parents to go forth from the Garden and tore off from them their robe (of innocence) that he might manifest their shame to them. Lo! he seeth you, he and his tribe, from whence ye see him not. Lo! We have made the devils protecting friends for those who believe not. (7:27)

Sahih International
And We had already taken a promise from Adam before, but he forgot; and We found not in him determination. (20:115)

Sahih International
So We said, "O Adam, indeed this is an enemy to you and to your wife. Then let him not remove you from Paradise so you would suffer. (20:117)

Sahih International
And Adam and his wife ate of it, and their private parts became apparent to them, and they began to fasten over themselves from the leaves of Paradise. And Adam disobeyed his Lord and erred. (20:121)

Sahih International
Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful. (2:37)

Sahih International
And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "I will create a human being out of clay from an altered black mud. (15:28)

Sahih International
Those were the ones upon whom Allah bestowed favor from among the prophets of the descendants of Adam and of those We carried [in the ship] with Noah, and of the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and of those whom We guided and chose. When the verses of the Most Merciful were recited to them, they fell in prostration and weeping. (19:58)

Peace.
 
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Re: Where Adam and Eve literal individual human beings does the Quran and or the Hadi

truthseeker63 said:
Where Adam and Eve literal individual human beings does the Quran and or the Hadith say they were real human beings not just a symbolic story as many Christians and Jews believe about Adam/Eve in their Bible ?
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You got it wrong. Christians and jews also believe that Adam and Eve are the first literal people, as it is in their torah/bible. And especially so for christians, as they must believe that Adam and eve were the real first humans because it is the linchpin of their religion (God died to pay the sins of Adam and Eve - the original sin). However, in order to fit in with modern science and current opinion, many christians and jews deny their own scriptures and say that adam and eve were figurative. So if a christian denies that Adam and eve were literal, they in effect destroy their own faith (original sin). But many just unable to see the contradictions nor do they seem to care.
The concept of orginal sin does not exist in Islam, first because Adam asked for forgiveness and forgiven by Allah SWT, and second because one cannot carry the sin/burden of the sin of another.

and yes, as muslims we believe that Adam and Eve were the first human beings:
surah al-Baqara (2):30-39, al-A'raf (7):11-25, al-Hijr (15):26-44, al-Isra (17):61-65, Ta-Ha (20):115-124, and Sad (38):71-85.

And especially this:
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]"O mankind! Reverence your Guardian-Lord Who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, his zaowja (wife/mate), and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women" (QS. 4:1).

Coincidentally, I was watching a program on either Discovery or NatGeo yesterday and in it it was shown that the differences of genes/DNA between EVERY human on earth (from an eskimo to an southern african) are actually smaller than differences between two chimpanzees from ONE single social group.
Also, the trail of mitochondrial DNA of ALL human beings point out to a single common ancestor who lived in the horn of Africa between 100,000-200,000 years ago.


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Re: I know there are many scientific miracles in the Quran but what if and are there

My Allah's peace, mercy, and blessings be upon you brother/sister truthseeker63

I recommend to you and everyone a book by Dr. Maurice Bucaille (French doctor/Surgeon). Its called The bible, the Quran and Science.
 
Re: I know there are many scientific miracles in the Quran but what if and are there

The Bible contains elements of truth, anything else?

Its good to ask questions but sometimes you ask so many at once that we don't get the chance to reply to them all. How about making a thread called 'Truthseekers questions'? lol
 

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