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[Grace Seeker]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

What I basically wanna say is that "death" (mortality) of a human being is an inevitable fact and it has no link with the same person living an "eternal" life (immortality) in the Hereafter…..
That's just the way God Almighty Wills it to be….He is Most Merciful and hence He'll Reward whomever He Wills with eternal life in Paradise and that He is All Just and hence He'll condemn the bad people to eternal punishment in Hell-Fire for their disobedience.

There is no relation in a person being mortal on earth and immortal in the Hereafter

I have to say that this does not sound like the same answer that you gave to my questions when asked individually. May I ask what the reason is for the change? Do you think differently about your initial answers now or do you think that I did injustice to the conclusion I drew from them?

I seem to be carrying on similar discussions in two places right now. In the other location Hamza responded by suggesting:

Greetings Grace Seeker,

If by immortality you mean that the soul is eternal then yes the soul is eternal and will go on for eternity. If by mortal you mean the body is temporary then yes the body is temporary and is only our temporary vessel in this world loaned to us by God and after death that vessel is no more but the soul will go on for forever whether that eternity is that of the torment of the fire or that of eternal bliss.

He definitely got at the heart of what I am thinking. That somehow, we humans are a paradox. We are most definitely mortal beings. Yet we are also created to be immortal. None of our lives are finite, ending at the point of death, for all of us most face eternity as well. We will be either immortal beings in Hellfire, or immortal beings in heaven. But we will most definitely end our existence as immortal beings. From the moment of our generation immortality is a guarantee.

As I read your post it seems that though you say that there is continuity in the person in these two respective states, that yet they are also completely different almost as if the one has an abrupt ending and the other then a new beginning. Now, I will admit that Paul does describe something similar to this in his letters to the Corinthians -- putting off the old man and putting on the new, the mortal being clothed with immortality.

But I do wonder if what we are talking about is a process by which a mortal being is transformed into an immortal one, so that a person is one or the other, but never both? Or.... perhaps we are talking about people as immortal beings who needed to drop off our mortal body in order to more fully move into the immortal state for which one is actually created. They both describe the same process and have the same ending, but the understanding of our natural state differs somewhat?

I since you leaning more toward the first of those options now. Does that not describe one life completely ending and then another, different life being formed? If so, then where is the continuity of life that you previously affirmed? Perhaps you no longer wish to affirm it?

For the sake of argument even if we agree that this hypothesis works…we could say that in this aspect just like any other human being Jesus of Nazareth is both mortal on earth and immortal in the Hereafter…nothing more to it.

I quite agree. I do not propose this as any sort of proof that Jesus must therefore be God.

I'm just questioning the assumption that people cannot have two different realities be true in their lives at the same time. One in which understand ourselves to be mortal lives who are born, live and die bringing an end to our physical life. But a second reality that we are not just physical beings, but created to be spiritual beings with an immortal soul that continues on even after the death of our physical and mortal body. And my assumption is that if it is indeed "us" -- who we really -- that continues to live on after death, then we don't just become immortal at the time of death, but hidden within this mortal body already resides the immortal soul that we shall be for all of eternity. And thus, for a period of time, there are two realities which are true of us that we are mortal beings (because we inhabit a mortal, physcial body) and immortal beings (because we are an immortal, spiritual soul).

This will make it clearer …hopefully…from the above what I'm trying to tell u is that when u believe that Jesus is immortal u're ascribing "Divinity" to his "immortality"…whereas in case of normal human beings the "immortality" is not Divine.

I can't speak for others, but I am not making such an argument. Yes, I do believe that Jesus is divine, but certainly not because he is immortal. And, yes, I do believe that Jesus is immortal (as, I think I've made clear, I see us all that way), but I would not use his immortality to substantiate his divinity.

The only thing that I would add regarding Jesus is that if it is possible (and it is in my view) that us normal everyday human beings can be regarded as both mortal and immortal at the same time, then surely we should not exclude Jesus from this same possibility and suggest that it is illogical for one to be both. (Now, of course, I have not proven to you that this is necessarily true of the rest of us humans, but so I've really said nothing about Jesus one way or the other. But I do hope you might see might point as least as being plausible if the first condition, "If humans are both...," could be shown to be true.)

A few questions if you don't mind..
1) If Jesus is God then why did he sacrifice himself for the sins of humans?...Does God have any need to do so?...at worst "sacrifice" ?!!...beats me!
2) And sacrifice to whom?!.. (usually it's done as a ritual to please God)
3) If Jesus was immortal then there was no point in him dying…being "crucified"..sounds so brutal!..what is the wisdom behind this…Jesus (God the Son acc. to y'all…I believe u consider him to be of the same essence as God the Father) getting crucified?!

I don't mind at all, but for the moment need to take a break and deal with some other tasks. I hope if you don't mind if I tackle these independent of this particular thread.

P.S: again...i'm sorry for the late reply...busy with loads of assignments these days.. :exhausted

No need to apologize. I don't consider 24 or 48 hours a long turn around on these boards. I'm glad to hear that you have a life away from here. And for those same reasons I probably won't get back to you for a couple of days myself.Peace.

 

[missy]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

I have to say that this does not sound like the same answer that you gave to my questions when asked individually. May I ask what the reason is for the change? Do you think differently about your initial answers now or do you think that I did injustice to the conclusion I drew from them?

Really?!...i see no difference.. :ermm:

He definitely got at the heart of what I am thinking. That somehow, we humans are a paradox. We are most definitely mortal beings. Yet we are also created to be immortal. None of our lives are finite, ending at the point of death, for all of us most face eternity as well. We will be either immortal beings in Hellfire, or immortal beings in heaven.

Agreed.....but i wouldn't call it a paradox...rather it's simply beautiful the way God Almighty has created us...All Praise be to God!

But I do wonder if what we are talking about is a process by which a mortal being is transformed into an immortal one, so that a person is one or the other, but never both? Or.... perhaps we are talking about people as immortal beings who needed to drop off our mortal body in order to more fully move into the immortal state for which one is actually created. They both describe the same process and have the same ending, but the understanding of our natural state differs somewhat?

You know something...there's actually a lot to this....a LOT to know and learn about..
i mean the whole relationship of the soul-body and all....glad i joined the forums...never thought i wud actually bother to learn about such stuff..
This thing got me into reading this book called The Soul’s Journey After Death .....

The only thing that I would add regarding Jesus is that if it is possible (and it is in my view) that us normal everyday human beings can be regarded as both mortal and immortal at the same time, then surely we should not exclude Jesus from this same possibility and suggest that it is illogical for one to be both.

No actually not. There is a whole lot of difference in both the cases.....
While saying that humans are both mortal and immortal, we are limiting both the "attributes" to humans alone…but in the case of Jesus pbuh, when you claim the same for him, you're implying an entirely different perspective of it…as in the "immortality" that you speak about here is something unique (Divine) and in no way similar to the kind of immortality that the humans (will) presumably possess in the After-life.

Okay…suppose we agree on humans being both mortal and immortal creatures, like totally without any difference of opinion,…that still won't render the Christian belief regarding the "immortality" of Jesus as logical…because of the "inconsistencies" in the belief itself…
Your beliefs according to my understanding…
- Jesus was born a human and died as a human…(was mortal).
- You believe him to be the Son of God…..cuz God…(immortal)
- So (acc 2 y'all) since he was both a human and a god then he gotta be both mortal and immortal….
- It can't be that the mortal being transformed to an immortal one so it shud be both mortal and immortal concurrently.

If I got your beliefs right (if not, correct me)…I'll show you the inconsistencies in it…
1) God is Transcendent….Jesus was born on earth and died therein...If he is of the same essence as the God the father, then how could 'death' have an effect on him?....just because he was "God in flesh"..a perfect human?!....but still a God right?...If every Christian agrees on the "same essence" part of it, then do you mean to say that death can have an effect on God (of the same essence as the 2nd person of trinity…Jesus - God the son)?..."death" which itself is created by God?!

2) If Jesus is immortal as God, then why even consider the fact that he died…that he was "mortal"…One wouldn't say I worship a god who 'died' and experienced "death"…
Wouldn’t chucking the" mortal" part of it make more sense? Afterall you're talking about the One who gives "life" and who initiated creation?!...attributing 'death', 'mortality'…to the One who Himself gives Life is just weird!

I hope if you don't mind if I tackle these independent of this particular thread.

Wherever you find comfortable....i just want the answers... :statisfie



Peace.

 

[missy]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

@YeildedOne: May I know the reason why u ditched the thread halfway?....i still haven’t got the reply for my post (#426)....was it irrelevant or you just wanna ignore what you can’t refute or probably you didn’t notice it’s presence?

You people know that this topic is very important as regards your faith, then why isn’t anybody trying to reason out with it and prove it to be logically sound ??
I’m not neglecting the previous attempts made by y’all…but they’ve all been proved faulty…if not I suppose the discussion’s still on…..

Or maybe if u guys are not interested …then it’s your wish…idc!

And to the other Christians out there….if anybody wants to put any points forward…I’ll be most willing to listen and dialogue!
Especially the Christian sisters…

Peace




EDIT: Deleting the part for which I've got answers now...

 

[YieldedOne]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

You right, Peacelover.

Give me a little bit and I'll hit you back, aiight?

 

[IAmZamzam]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

I haven't forgotten about you guys, but my fingers are already overworked today. I've recently found out (well, with reasonable surety, anyway) that what I have is arthritis, and likely to be pretty chronic.

For now I'll just say that logic is the application of some of the fundamental axioms of math (such as the law of identity), which is part of--in fact, probably the core part of--the system by which God organizes the world, and one of the surest signs of the existence of a Cosmic Designer. God uses math (and by extension, the axioms of reasoning) to mould the world, and as such to bind Him to His own teleological devices is like saying that composers of music are incapable of speaking in sounds that aren't notes and must do everything in a waltz time, or that an architect must have ceilings and floors on his body to exist. And in any event I've yet to hear literally ONE single instance of anyone using the old "God can do only what is logically possible" cop-out as anything other than a defense for a notion that is most evidently indefensible. If you have to resort to saying that God can't not make sense then it's really only your doctrines that don't.

Maybe I can answer more fully in the next couple of days.

EDIT: Aw, heck, I can do a little more now, if only because your philosophical quote (like about a literal 99% of all philosophy) is insultingly asinine:

Next, we must understand the implications of the claim that God can do the logically impossible. First, if God can do the logically impossible, then he can sin. He can also bring it about that the same act is and is not sin at the same time and in the same sense and by the same person. He may consign us both to heaven and hell at the same time and in the same sense. He may bring about a squared circle, a married bachelor, or even that we do not exist right now! If God can do the logically impossible, then God could bring it about that the universe does and does not exist. But it gets stranger than this. He would also be able to bring it about that he did all these things while not existing! But how can a God who does not exist do anything? Finally, if God can do the logically impossible, he can bring it about that it is logically possible for him to do the logically impossible. This, of course, means that he both can and cannot do any and all of these things at the same time, in the same sense, in the same manner, while existing and not existing—and he can cause even that to be true and false!

What irritatingly circular nonsense! I mean, wow. He's basically saying that the reason God can't do illogical things is because they're illogical. Most asinine of all is the assertion that God literally CAN'T sin. What, is He no longer a free agent now? I repeat: If you have to resort to saying that God can't not make sense then it's really only your doctrines that don't. It is a flaw, not in the definition of omnipotence, which is fixed and universally agreed upon by everyone who's not making excuses about anything, but in your religious beliefs themselves. Not to mention that denying God's real, no-B.S. omnipotence is at least borderline blasphemy. You really better watch it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: there is absolutely no injustice of history more appalling and astonishing than philosophers always being considered to be among the greatest geniuses in history...apparently just because that comes with the job or something. I've yet to see one who had any more than moderately above average intelligence, and for all their pretty and pseudo-intellectually deceptively "deep" sayings most of them probably don't even reach average.

 

[IAmZamzam]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

Really, I think I have said it all--except that there was a part I missed, so let's address it now:

Now, I know that as a Muslim you don't believe that anything is greater than God. And I also see from the above that you believe if God is bound by logic that it would mean that logic was greater than God. Thus, since as a Muslim you believe that God is greater than everything and therefore cannot be bound by anything, it would also follow that you don't believe God to be bound by logic. That's good, becuase then I won't have to hear about how you find the idea of God being incarnate or of a person having both a human and a divine nature at the same time to be illogical. After all, God is not bound by human logic.

I don't remember arguing much against the incarnation itself based on it not making sense to be God and human at the same time. I know better than to do that, because Christians are like clockwork people, ALWAYS give exactly the same responses to EVERYTHING, often in this same way: hiding behind their alleged paradoxes in order to avoid accepting the sense of the argument being used against them, a substitute for actually having some sort of a rebuttal. Besides, if God wanted to be incarnate then He certainly could. (I believe there's even some ahadith--though I think their accuracy is disputed--saying that He'll come to the believers on Judgment Day in human form and test them by seeing if they'll readily believe that it's Him, after which He'll reveal himself in all His glory and remove all doubt. A little puzzling in its implications and I don't know if it's even true.) From start to finish my line has always been not that God is incapable of coming as a man and dying and all that, but that we have no good reason whatsoever to think that He ever did, or for that matter even would. The countless reasons for this position I have detailed all up and down my website and this and other boards. God's being able to do anything does not hurt me here, it hurts you, because you still can't deny that He can't destroy the "uncreated part" of Jesus (P) and instead have to wrap up your blasphemy and your state of denial with the predictable equivocation fallacy-based weaseling.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

you still can't deny that He can't destroy the "uncreated part" of Jesus (P) and instead have to wrap up your blasphemy and your state of denial with the predictable equivocation fallacy-based weaseling.

Please don't put words in my mouth. When have I ever said that I can't deny such a thing.

The son has been forever and eternally generated by the Father. This is an act of the Father's will. Of course he could do otherwise. But he hasn't and he won't.


Now, from a Muslim perspective, if Allah is able to do whatever he wants to do, is Allah able to allow himself to become less than Almighty? I suspect you will say that such a concept is illogical and a nonsense question. And you would be right. What you so often fail to see is that your objections to Christian theology are also just so much nonsense asking if God can be something other than himself. How ludicrous.

But on the above objection you fail, for actually God could do what you say we would deny that he could do. And since I've learned that your question comes out of the Qur'an, it just show once again that the Qur'an (or at least its interpretors) has no conception as to what Christianity really is.

 

[Riana17]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

We believe that Christ Jesus as a human is mortal, meaning if He wants, He can die. And we think He is immortal when He is using His Godly powers. This means He cannot die unless He wants to -- and that's only His human body. In other words, God just humbled Himself as a human by living in a human body.

Your Lord Jesus died
But "Someone" Raised His Spirit to Heaven

That Someone is "God"

How could you say, Jesus and God the same when you blv this way?

I will be with you if you say, Jesus spirit was raised & the spirit entered God
LOOL , is it some kind of dragon ball Z

And if Jesus was God, why should he put himself in very shameful situation badly tortured by the Jews, where is his godly powers and so on

 

[IAmZamzam]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

Grace Seeker, I just went over the circularity of that awful argument. Why do I ever, even as much less frequently now than before, come to message boards when virtually all I ever get to do at them is repeat points I've already made that others are ignoring on purpose??? I gotta get out of this place. Maybe stop doing anything here but offering dawah.

 

[missy]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

You right, Peacelover.

Give me a little bit and I'll hit you back, aiight?

a little?!

 

[Hiroshi]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

Your Lord Jesus died
But "Someone" Raised His Spirit to Heaven

That Someone is "God"

How could you say, Jesus and God the same when you blv this way?

This is very good reasoning.

And concerning the mortality/immortality issue with Jesus, Romans 6:9 says: "For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him."

So according to the Bible, Jesus did not have immortality before his death and resurrection (death had mastery over him up until that time) but after his resurrection death no longer has mastery over him so that he cannot die again. Jesus was granted immortality by God but not until his resurrection. God, however, has always been immortal. So Jesus cannot be God.

 

[missy]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

So Jesus cannot be God.

Peace,

So you believe in this right?
That's what Islam teaches us and this is what true monotheism is, exactly what Prophet Jesus pbuh and all the other Prophets preached....the ONENESS of God!

Then why is it that your religion status says "Christian"?

Do you believe in Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as the final messenger from God Almighty? The "Paraclete"; according to my understanding, mentioned in the Bible ?

 

[Hiroshi]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

Peace,

So you believe in this right?
That's what Islam teaches us and this is what true monotheism is, exactly what Prophet Jesus pbuh and all the other Prophets preached....the ONENESS of God!

Then why is it that your religion status says "Christian"?

I am a Jehovah's Witness. We do not believe that the Bible teaches the trinity doctrine. But we follow Christ and consider ourselves Christians.

Do you believe in Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as the final messenger from God Almighty? The "Paraclete"; according to my understanding, mentioned in the Bible ?

I'm afraid not. But we have a lot of common ground with Muslims in other matters.

 

[Riana17]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

This is very good reasoning.

And concerning the mortality/immortality issue with Jesus, Romans 6:9 says: "For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him."

So according to the Bible, Jesus did not have immortality before his death and resurrection (death had mastery over him up until that time) but after his resurrection death no longer has mastery over him so that he cannot die again. Jesus was granted immortality by God but not until his resurrection. God, however, has always been immortal. So Jesus cannot be God.

Salam Alaikkum and Subhanallah for having an open mind
In Islam we must respect others of what they beleive in and our Holy Quran mentioned that there is no compulsion in religion.
But we are not discourage to find out all about other's belief.

Jehovah's witness is not new to me, I always hear it from school and I knew many people in our area who belongs to your religion. I was a kid back then & move out the country since 16, but I have ff clarifications. I hope you will not be offended for asking the ff:

1. Is Jevoha's witness word in the bible? pls guide me coz I didnt see one, if yes is it revised by someone, when? What Jehova exactly stands for?
2 I read that your religion was created around 1876 and supposedly the only way to save humans is by joining your religion because your organization is the only true religion inspired by god.My question is what happen to everyone before 1876 did god just forget about them since you weren't around to save them and also how do you know that the people at the watchtower are truly inspired by god I mean the pope is supposed to be inspired by god too, they claim
3. what is blood doctrine
4. there is something says that God will raise 144000 souls only, how many members since Jehova was found, and if this number is given what is the qualification to be among them. In Islam we dont say we will go to heaven or the like, for only Allah knows our intention. No one could tell but He.
5. Einstein said a religion without science is blind, I blv in that, is there science behind Jehova's witness???
We didnt see our One true God by eyes, and that's good, bcoz if we see something in our eyes, it will not be a FAITH anymore. My point is with countless science in Islam, it is easier for atheist to believe than those who blv Someone really created them.

My personal story goes like this, I blv that there is God, but I am lazy & so I became atheist, but I really wanted to go to heaven.... so one day I told myself, if there is really heaven i must find out all about it and If there is contradictions or doubt in a religion, i better be an atheist again. So alhamdollelah, any questions a person can ask there is perfect answer in ISLAM, ANSWER that does not just tells us to believe blindly but with supporting facts.



I am happy by the way that you blv that there is only one God.

 

[Hiroshi]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

Salam Alaikkum and Subhanallah for having an open mind
In Islam we must respect others of what they beleive in and our Holy Quran mentioned that there is no compulsion in religion.
But we are not discourage to find out all about other's belief.

Jehovah's witness is not new to me, I always hear it from school and I knew many people in our area who belongs to your religion. I was a kid back then & move out the country since 16, but I have ff clarifications. I hope you will not be offended for asking the ff:

1. Is Jevoha's witness word in the bible? pls guide me coz I didnt see one, if yes is it revised by someone, when? What Jehova exactly stands for?
2 I read that your religion was created around 1876 and supposedly the only way to save humans is by joining your religion because your organization is the only true religion inspired by god.My question is what happen to everyone before 1876 did god just forget about them since you weren't around to save them and also how do you know that the people at the watchtower are truly inspired by god I mean the pope is supposed to be inspired by god too, they claim
3. what is blood doctrine
4. there is something says that God will raise 144000 souls only, how many members since Jehova was found, and if this number is given what is the qualification to be among them. In Islam we dont say we will go to heaven or the like, for only Allah knows our intention. No one could tell but He.
5. Einstein said a religion without science is blind, I blv in that, is there science behind Jehova's witness???
We didnt see our One true God by eyes, and that's good, bcoz if we see something in our eyes, it will not be a FAITH anymore. My point is with countless science in Islam, it is easier for atheist to believe than those who blv Someone really created them.

My personal story goes like this, I blv that there is God, but I am lazy & so I became atheist, but I really wanted to go to heaven.... so one day I told myself, if there is really heaven i must find out all about it and If there is contradictions or doubt in a religion, i better be an atheist again. So alhamdollelah, any questions a person can ask there is perfect answer in ISLAM, ANSWER that does not just tells us to believe blindly but with supporting facts.



I am happy by the way that you blv that there is only one God.

Hi Riana17.

"Jehovah" is the commonest rendering in English of the sacred personal name of God. The name appears nearly 7,000 times in the Hebrew scriptures but unfortunately most translations of the Bible hide the name by translating it (wrongly) as "Lord" or "God" with few exceptions.

The name "Jehovah's Witnesses" is based on Isaiah 43:10.

The New World Translation here reads: "“YOU are my witnesses,” is the utterance of Jehovah".
The American Standard Version reads: "Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah".
But the New International Version reads: "You are my witnesses, declares the LORD".

As you can see the New International Version, in line with most other versions, omits God's sacred name at this verse.

The name Jehovah is not found in the Qur'an.

Sorry but I have to break off here. I will answer your other questions shortly.

 

[Riana17]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

Hi Riana17.

"Jehovah" is the commonest rendering in English of the sacred personal name of God. The name appears nearly 7,000 times in the Hebrew scriptures but unfortunately most translations of the Bible hide the name by translating it (wrongly) as "Lord" or "God" with few exceptions.

The name "Jehovah's Witnesses" is based on Isaiah 43:10.

The New World Translation here reads: "“YOU are my witnesses,” is the utterance of Jehovah".
The American Standard Version reads: "Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah".
But the New International Version reads: "You are my witnesses, declares the LORD".

As you can see the New International Version, in line with most other versions, omits God's sacred name at this verse.

The name Jehovah is not found in the Qur'an.

Sorry but I have to break off here. I will answer your other questions shortly.

Salam thank you for answering, you are such a good sport.
You said it is translated, meaning not exactly the same isnt it?
did you see the old scriptures? are they authenticated?
salam & i want to know more about your religion, its good to have additional knowledge

 

[missy]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

"Jehovah" is the commonest rendering in English of the sacred personal name of God. The name appears nearly 7,000 times in the Hebrew scriptures but unfortunately most translations of the Bible hide the name by translating it (wrongly) as "Lord" or "God" with few exceptions.

Isn't YHWH or Yahweh the name used by the Jews and some of the Christians?....which one is the original Hebrew (altho Jesus pbuh spoke Aramaic, i don't understand why most of the Christians use the Hebrew) name "jehovah" or "yahweh"?
If "jehova" is used in the Bible then from where did the word "yahweh" come?

 

[Hiroshi]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

Isn't YHWH or Yahweh the name used by the Jews and some of the Christians?....which one is the original Hebrew (altho Jesus pbuh spoke Aramaic, i don't understand why most of the Christians use the Hebrew) name "jehovah" or "yahweh"?
If "jehova" is used in the Bible then from where did the word "yahweh" come?

In Hebrew the name is spelt with four letters known as the "tetragrammaton": Yod, He, Waw, He. These corresponds roughly to the English letters: YHWH or JHVH. Depending on which vowels are used the name could be rendered either as YaHWeH or as JeHoVaH. The exact pronunciation is not the most important thing. Jesus' name was actually pronounced "Yeshua" in Hebrew and in the Qur'an he is called "Isa". John the Baptist's name was "Yohanan" in Hebrew and "Yahya" in the Qur'an. What is important is that we do use the person's name in whatever customary form has become accepted and recognized.

The King James Version uses the form JEHOVAH to show God's name as at Psalms 83:18 "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth."

The Jerusalem Bible, however, uses the form Yahweh.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

Isn't YHWH or Yahweh the name used by the Jews and some of the Christians?....which one is the original Hebrew (altho Jesus pbuh spoke Aramaic, i don't understand why most of the Christians use the Hebrew) name "jehovah" or "yahweh"?
If "jehova" is used in the Bible then from where did the word "yahweh" come?

Both are attempts at transliteration of the original Hebrew characters of the divine Tetragrammaton with anglicized vowels added.

I don't always recommend wikipedia, but in this case the article on Jehovah seems to cover the question you asked well. It's also a lot simpler than trying to write the story out myself.

(P.S. Sorry, I didn't get back to you last week as I had hoped; the hotel I was staying at during my conference didn't have internet.)

 

[Hiroshi]

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Salam thank you for answering, you are such a good sport.
You said it is translated, meaning not exactly the same isnt it?
did you see the old scriptures? are they authenticated?
salam & i want to know more about your religion, its good to have additional knowledge

I am happy to answer your questions. I just hope that the moderators do not delete these posts for being "off topic" as they have done in the past.

Concerning blood, the scriptures tell us that it is a sin to feed on it. This is a most serious matter. The sin of eating blood was punishable by death under the Law given to Moses. Jehovah's Witnesses see it as a violation of God's law even to have a blood transfusion.

The prohibition of eating blood was first given to Noah from whom all mankind alive today are descended (Genesis 9:4), the command was repeated in the Law given to Moses (Leviticus 17:12 and many other passages) and it was repeated also to Christians (Acts 15:29).

Genesis 9:4 says: “Only flesh with its soul—its blood—YOU must not eat”

And Leviticus 17:14 says: “For the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood by the soul in it. Consequently I said to the sons of Israel: “YOU must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh, because the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood.”

So the reason that blood is prohibited for use as food is that the life or soul of the animal is in its blood. Blood represents life.

The Qur'an also forbids the eating of blood in Surah 2:173.



I have not personally had the opportunity to see old manuscripts of scriptures although I have seen copies of them, some very ancient. I trust these writings enough to be sure that the Bible that we have available today really does preserve the message from God.