truthseeker63's Corner in Comparative religion

[Hiroshi]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

2 I read that your religion was created around 1876 and supposedly the only way to save humans is by joining your religion because your organization is the only true religion inspired by god.My question is what happen to everyone before 1876 did god just forget about them since you weren't around to save them and also how do you know that the people at the watchtower are truly inspired by god I mean the pope is supposed to be inspired by god too, they claim

God takes account of the fact that many did not have the opportunity to learn about the true religion during their lifetime and he extends mercy accordingly.

Bible prophecies show that in the "last days" before the end of this world the truth would be made abundantly clear and would be preached worldwide (Matthew 24:14).

I know that Jehovah's Witnesses truly have God's favour and backing because I have undergone years of study checking the truthfulness of all of their teachings.

4. there is something says that God will raise 144000 souls only, how many members since Jehova was found, and if this number is given what is the qualification to be among them. In Islam we dont say we will go to heaven or the like, for only Allah knows our intention. No one could tell but He.

144,000 plus Jesus will go to heaven. But the majority of mankind will live forever in paradise upon the earth.

Psalms 37:29 says: "The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it."

Surah 39:73-74 says: "'Peace be to you; you have led good lives. Enter Paradise and dwell in it for ever.' They wil say: 'Praise be to God who has made good to us His promise and given us the earth to inherit, that we may dwell in Paradise wherever we please.'" (Dawood)

Suah 21:105 says: "'The righteous among My servants shall inherit the earth.'" (Dawood)

5. Einstein said a religion without science is blind, I blv in that, is there science behind Jehova's witness???

I believe that the Genesis account of creation is amazingly scientific. Genesis 1:2 says of the earth's surface that it was in darkness at first. Then God said (in Genesis 1:3) "Let there be light." It is a fact that most planets that we know of have an opaque atmosphere if they have any air at all. The surface on the planet Venus would be completely in darkness. You could not see the sun, moon and stars from there. And this must have been the case with the planet Earth before God took action. Letting light shine upon our planet's surface would have meant clearing dust, debris and obscuring gases until the sun, moon and stars could be clearly seen (Genesis 1:14).

Some believe that Genesis says that the heavens and earth were created in six days, contadicting scientific observation that the universe is billions of years old. But Genesis actually states that the heavens and earth were created "in the beginning". So it does not specify how old the universe is. There is no conflict between Genesis and science.

 

[missy]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

In Hebrew the name is spelt with four letters known as the "tetragrammaton": Yod, He, Waw, He. These corresponds roughly to the English letters: YHWH or JHVH. Depending on which vowels are used the name could be rendered either as YaHWeH or as JeHoVaH. The exact pronunciation is not the most important thing. Jesus' name was actually pronounced "Yeshua" in Hebrew and in the Qur'an he is called "Isa". John the Baptist's name was "Yohanan" in Hebrew and "Yahya" in the Qur'an. What is important is that we do use the person's name in whatever customary form has become accepted and recognized.

The King James Version uses the form JEHOVAH to show God's name as at Psalms 83:18 "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth."

The Jerusalem Bible, however, uses the form Yahweh.

Both are attempts at transliteration of the original Hebrew characters of the divine Tetragrammaton with anglicized vowels added.

I don't always recommend wikipedia, but in this case the article on Jehovah seems to cover the question you asked well. It's also a lot simpler than trying to write the story out myself.

hmmmmmm.......

(P.S. Sorry, I didn't get back to you last week as I had hoped; the hotel I was staying at during my conference didn't have internet.)

You don't need to apologize....it's k..
since it's the weekend....i think you'll be having time to deal with those.. :statisfie

 

[Riana17]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

Salam Mr Hiroshi
I respect your belief and I think you are well educated enough about our deen, alhamdollelah
thanks for sharing the verses

Putting myself in Atheist shoes, it would be hard to convince me seeing that science is not very well presented

I will not ask you how and where is this statement coming from:
"God takes account of the fact that many did not have the opportunity to learn about the true religion during their lifetime and he extends mercy accordingly."

Rather I would like to expresee my greatest concern to which part of the Holy Book that 144000 people + Jesus is mentioned? are you confident that you are one of them?

I knew too many failed prophecies and predictions of the Watchover Society,
Brother I am not offending you nor telling you to convert in Islam (You know this is not in my hand), however no one can deny that no one knows what will happen 1 second from now..


time & dignity are important

I just cant be at peace being in a religion with failed reputation.
I dont want to be with a man made religion, id rather be an atheist,

 

[Hiroshi]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

Salam Mr Hiroshi

Rather I would like to expresee my greatest concern to which part of the Holy Book that 144000 people + Jesus is mentioned? are you confident that you are one of them?

The 144,000 are mentioned in Revelation 7:4 and also in Revelation 14:1-5. Revelaton 14:4 says that they follow the Lamb [Jesus] wherever he goes. So they go to heaven to be with Jesus.

Those who go to heaven will rule as kings with Jesus over the earth for 1,000 years (Revelation 5:10; Revelation 20:6). Most of mankind will live forever upon earth under that rulership from heaven.

I am quite certain that I am not one of the 144,000. I do not expect to go to heaven. I expect to live in paradise on earth as the scriptures that I quoted from the Qur'an and the Bible clearly state.

 

[Hiroshi]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

I will not ask you how and where is this statement coming from:
"God takes account of the fact that many did not have the opportunity to learn about the true religion during their lifetime and he extends mercy accordingly."

Acts 17:30 says: "God has overlooked the times of such ignorance, yet now he is telling mankind that they should all everywhere repent."

 

[Riana17]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

Acts 17:30 says: "God has overlooked the times of such ignorance, yet now he is telling mankind that they should all everywhere repent."

Salam
since you answered I have following question
Is 1876 mentioned there

 

[Riana17]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

The 144,000 are mentioned in Revelation 7:4 and also in Revelation 14:1-5. Revelaton 14:4 says that they follow the Lamb [Jesus] wherever he goes. So they go to heaven to be with Jesus.

Those who go to heaven will rule as kings with Jesus over the earth for 1,000 years (Revelation 5:10; Revelation 20:6). Most of mankind will live forever upon earth under that rulership from heaven.

I am quite certain that I am not one of the 144,000. I do not expect to go to heaven. I expect to live in paradise on earth as the scriptures that I quoted from the Qur'an and the Bible clearly state.

salam Sir
Rev. 7:4-5
Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel
From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000,

I have lots of confusion now, If I understand it correctly, those 144,000 are all from ISRAEL
and where is the perfect statement saying that 144000 + Jesus will go to heaven

 

[Grace Seeker]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

hmmmmmm.......

You don't need to apologize....it's k..
since it's the weekend....i think you'll be having time to deal with those.. :statisfie

Well, my weekends are usually my busiest. But it's now a couple of minutes after midnight, Monday morning, so the weekend is over and I'm going to head to the PM and try to address at least one of your questions.

 

[Hiroshi]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

salam Sir
Rev. 7:4-5
Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel
From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000,

I have lots of confusion now, If I understand it correctly, those 144,000 are all from ISRAEL
and where is the perfect statement saying that 144000 + Jesus will go to heaven

The 144,000 are not literally from every tribe of natural Israel. You may notice that the tribe of Dan is not listed in this passage. But there exists also a "spiritual" Israel made up of both Jews and Gentiles (Romans 2:28-29; Romans 9:6; Galatians 3:27-29). The 144,000 are made up from this spiritual Israel.

 

[Riana17]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

The 144,000 are not literally from every tribe of natural Israel. You may notice that the tribe of Dan is not listed in this passage. But there exists also a "spiritual" Israel made up of both Jews and Gentiles (Romans 2:28-29; Romans 9:6; Galatians 3:27-29). The 144,000 are made up from this spiritual Israel.

salam Mr Hiroshi
144000,,,, counting starts during their time or from the time Jehovah's witness is formed?

Also do you believe that a TRUE religion must be PERFECT? if so, how can you justify that BIBLE is purely words of GOD?

 

[Hiroshi]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

salam Mr Hiroshi
144000,,,, counting starts during their time or from the time Jehovah's witness is formed?

Counting from the 1st century.

Also do you believe that a TRUE religion must be PERFECT? if so, how can you justify that BIBLE is purely words of GOD?

Not perfect. But progressively increasing towards God's righteousness and truth. Jehovah's Witnesses (we were not called that at first btw) have spent the best part of 200 years studying God's word and have made progressive changes in their belief and in their understanding of God's requirements. We rejected the trinity, immortal soul and hellfire doctrines early on. But only later did we see the importance of avoiding celebrations of pagan origin such as Christmas and Easter. And also the need to be politically neutral and to refuse military service. Also, as has been noted, our understanding of Bible prophecy was incomplete in early times and sometimes wrong predictions were made about when God's kingdom would arrive. The 1st century Christians made similar mistakes (Luke 19:11; John 21:23).

Other long established religions have remained unchanged and are still entrenched in error.

 

[Riana17]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

Counting from the 1st century.



Not perfect. But progressively increasing towards God's righteousness and truth. Jehovah's Witnesses (we were not called that at first btw) have spent the best part of 200 years studying God's word and have made progressive changes in their belief and in their understanding of God's requirements. We rejected the trinity, immortal soul and hellfire doctrines early on. But only later did we see the importance of avoiding celebrations of pagan origin such as Christmas and Easter. And also the need to be politically neutral and to refuse military service.

Other long established religions have remained unchanged and are still entrenched in error.

Salam Mr Hiroshi

I dont like to be hard on anyone, my question will be never ending, but I want to tell you that I do respect your belief
and we blv that everyone have their own fate (it is written thousand years before Creation of this earth), our Creator will guide whom He wills

Before I close, you are in my DUAA and I really appreciate your good posture, May you be rewarded for that. Nice one.
I hope I didnt offend you in anyway, SALAM , BIG SALAM

 

[Hiroshi]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

Salam
since you answered I have following question
Is 1876 mentioned there

No of course. But the Bible shows that God is willing to show consideration to those living in times of ignorance. Since the 1st century the truth from the Bible had been buried beneath layers of false ideas and man made doctrines (1 Thessalonians 2:3-9). But Daniel 9:8-10 says that clearer understanding would be given in "the time of the end" which is where we are now.

 

[Riana17]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

No of course. But the Bible shows that God is willing to show consideration to those living in times of ignorance. Since the 1st century the truth from the Bible had been buried beneath layers of false ideas and man made doctrines (1 Thessalonians 2:3-9). But Daniel 9:8-10 says that clearer understanding would be given in "the time of the end" which is where we are now.

Thanks for answering brother

 

[Hiroshi]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

Salam Mr Hiroshi

I dont like to be hard on anyone, my question will be never ending, but I want to tell you that I do respect your belief
and we blv that everyone have their own fate (it is written thousand years before Creation of this earth), our Creator will guide whom He wills

Before I close, you are in my DUAA and I really appreciate your good posture, May you be rewarded for that. Nice one.
I hope I didnt offend you in anyway, SALAM , BIG SALAM

Big Salam to you also. I was not offended at all by any of your questions. Thank you for your kind words.

By the way, we do not believe that our Creator has predestined the fate of everyone. We believe that we have free will to decide our own fate. It is an interesting subject.

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: Christians think that Jesus can be Immortal and Mortal at the sametime they say w

Big Salam to you also. I was not offended at all by any of your questions. Thank you for your kind words. By the way, we do not believe that our Creator has predestined the fate of everyone. We believe that we have free will to decide our own fate. It is an interesting subject.

In Islam we believe in free will and predestination (qada' and qadar), I think we already have had discussion involving you on this subject.

 

[truthseeker63]

Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion they are only or just a religion since people have and do convert to Judaism the Khazars were a Asian tribe or nation that converted to Judaism as a nation as today are the Ashkenazi Jews ?

http://www.radioislam.org/koestler/

 

[Amigo]

Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

Jews are descendants of a man called Juda who was a son of Jacob (aka Israel). An other precise name for Jews is 'the tribe of Juda'.
Judaism is a spirituality that these people had when they came back to Jerusalem after their last exile BCE.
Of all the Tribes of Israel (Jacob), Juda is the one who essentially came back. Others were scattered and are known as the lost tribes of Israel.

Not all Jews are in Judaism as Judaism is a spirituality people can leave and cease to practice.

 

[Darth Ultor]

Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

It can't be considered a race. Judaism is a religion, but also a nation.

 

[UUSeeker]

Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

I would agree Jews are a religion, not a race.

Since there also is a nation based on those holding those beliefs, it is a bit complicated, but anyone can convert to Judaism, or from it to another faith or no faith.

A person cannot change their race, such as from caucasian to asian.

Peace,

Seeker