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Re: Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son

No two Christians will have exactly the same belief, even when it comes to basic things like this. This seems to be true even for two Christians who are in the same denomination. (Based on my experience)
 
Re: Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son

No two Christians will have exactly the same belief, even when it comes to basic things like this. This seems to be true even for two Christians who are in the same denomination. (Based on my experience)


lol true, we are all very different from each other.
its like, even when it was ten commandments people must have caused division between themselves on the basis of how to practice them.
 
Re: Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son

When I was a Christian as a kid, I believed that Jesus was the Son of God, because I didn't know any better.

As I got older, I began to question that belief. "How can God have a son? Why does Jesus pray to God if He himself is God? Why does he call himself the Son of Man repeatedly in the Bible?" Questions like that went through my mind and I never really found any good answers to them.

I personally believe that Jesus was a great man, one of the greatest in history. He performed miracles, that I believe. But I'm not sure that He was divine. I think that modern Christianity is a corruption of the original belief system brought to us by Jesus and all of the other prophets (peace be upon them all).

I say that as a former Christian who converted to Islam mainly because of this issue (and the Trinity, but that is another topic).
 
Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

Judaism is not specifically a racial religion. There are different types of jews, sephardic, ashkenazic and giurim (converts). There are jews with red hair, brown hair, black hair and with totally different facial features and spoken languages. How can one claim with KNOWING this that judaism (a religion and political system for jews after the return of Mosshiach) is a racially specific religion only for a certain type of person.
 
Re: Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son

To be a christian is to accept that Yeshua ben Nazareth is the Mssiach, the Messiah who came back after life and now sit to the right of the h
 
Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

Judaism is not specifically a racial religion. There are different types of jews, sephardic, ashkenazic and giurim (converts). There are jews with red hair, brown hair, black hair and with totally different facial features and spoken languages. How can one claim with KNOWING this that judaism (a religion and political system for jews after the return of Mosshiach) is a racially specific religion only for a certain type of person.

Azrael, what would you call a person who confesses that he supposes that there is a God of some sort, but that he doesn't really think much about him one way or another, a person who does participate in the customary celebrations common to the country in which he was born including the religious celebrations that he was introduced to as a child in his parents' home, though today he does it just to maintain the familial relationships that are important to him, not out of any real faith expression?

Does it make any difference if this person is born to Christian parents in the USA? to Muslim parents in Egypt? to Jewish parents in Israel?
 
Re: Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son

Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son are there any Christians sects that believe he is human and not God don't many Liberal Christians deny that Jesus is God do all Christians and all of Christianity agree that Jesus is God or are there any sects of Christianity that disagree ?
This question can be re-written into the following form: Do all of a particular named group believe "X";?
The answer to that question is YES if one uses belief in "X" as the standard for inclusion in the group and NO if one uses some other standard than belief in "X".

Do all Jews reject belief in Jesus as the true Messiah? In general one would probably say YES, but what of people who call themselves Messianic Jews. They profess faith in Jesus a the Messiah and also claim to be Jews. This makes many that one generally thinks of as Jews angry for they say that such people aren't really Jews.

Are all who believe that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad (pbuh) is his prophet Muslims? Generally the answer is YES, but then there are those who claim to believe this and also follow the teachings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Again most people that one thinks of as Muslim reject the claim that these Ahmadi Muslims make and would say that they are not genuine Muslims.

Something similar happens with respect to Christianity where the majority of those that one would normally term Christian are aware that there is a small minority of people who call themselves Christian but have beliefs that are so much at variance from the majority belief as to not truly be Christian. Denial of Jesus' place within the Godhead would be one of those things that would lead most Christians to say that those who say otherwise don't belong to a Christian sect at all, but something else. But that doesn't keep those sects from claiming that they are Christian any more than the beliefs of a majority of Muslims or Jews keeps others from claiming that they are a part of those communities when the majority would say they are not.

My own definition of Christianity would exclude as genuinely Christian those who do not hold to the faith as articulated in the Nicene Creed. There are many who call themselves Christian who would say that I am being too exclusive and that simply to be a follower of Jesus is enough. There are also some (such as Jehovah's Witnesses) who call themselves Christian and would claim that anyone who holds to the belief in Jesus as divine is not truly Christian exactly for holding such beliefs.
 
Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

Azrael, what would you call a person who confesses that he supposes that there is a God of some sort, but that he doesn't really think much about him one way or another, a person who does participate in the customary celebrations common to the country in which he was born including the religious celebrations that he was introduced to as a child in his parents' home, though today he does it just to maintain the familial relationships that are important to him, not out of any real faith expression?

Does it make any difference if this person is born to Christian parents in the USA? to Muslim parents in Egypt? to Jewish parents in Israel?

I don't understand what you mean?
 
Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

Azrael, what would you call a person who confesses that he supposes that there is a God of some sort, but that he doesn't really think much about him one way or another, a person who does participate in the customary celebrations common to the country in which he was born including the religious celebrations that he was introduced to as a child in his parents' home, though today he does it just to maintain the familial relationships that are important to him, not out of any real faith expression?

Does it make any difference if this person is born to Christian parents in the USA? to Muslim parents in Egypt? to Jewish parents in Israel?

:sl:

You just described my life until a few months ago. I was going through the motions. I knew and acknowledged that there was a God, but other than that, I didn't really care. I still did whatever I wanted to do and didn't really live the life that I was supposed to live. I was raised a Christian so that is what I identified myself as, but I didn't talk the talk or walk the walk.

That was when I finally realized that I had to do something about it as I was tired of myself and what I had become...
 
Re: Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son

My faith tradition is a prime example of this. Unitarians rejected the idea of the trinity, and many also rejected the idea that Jesus was divine.

There are also some pentacostals and universalists who practice what is called "oneness" faith, meaning the divinity of Jesus is either downplayed or disputed, but the belief in a single God is the focus of their practices.


On the other hand, the more hardcore traditions, such as Catholic, Episcopalian, Lutheran, etc., as well as the Eastern Orthadox, would hold that Jesus is indeed divine and the son of God, plus their belief in the trinity.

As others have said, you could probably ask two Christians of the same denomination this question and get different answers, or at least some variations.

Peace,

Seeker
 
Re: Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son

I believe as I'm sure do a lot of Christians that Jesus Christ is 100% God and 100% man.
 
Re: Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son

I believe as I'm sure do a lot of Christians that Jesus Christ is 100% God and 100% man.

Jesus cannt be 100% God as hard evidence, cold facts and his own denials show that he is not God, unless your definition of God is very much more inferior than what most sane people consider as God.
 
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Jesus cannt be 100% God as hard evidence, cold facts and his own denials show that he is not God, unless your definition of God is very much more inferior than what most sane people consider as God.


The question is about what CHRISTIANS believe. Unless you're a Christian perhaps you should just listen. Or do now intend to tell us not just what you believe but what we believe as well?
 
Re: Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son



Jesus cannt be 100% God as hard evidence, cold facts and his own denials show that he is not God, unless your definition of God is very much more inferior than what most sane people consider as God.

His own denials? Like
John 8:58
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" and
John 14:8-11
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” [SUP]9[/SUP] Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? [SUP]10[/SUP] Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. [SUP]11[/SUP] Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.
 
Re: Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son

It is very embarrassing that christians do not even know the originals of gospels were lost and twisted and the words of Jesus (pbuh) were altered.

John 8:58
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" and

Do you not know that there was great debate between the proto-orthodox and Ebionites, Theodotians, and the like was over the nature of Christ, whether he was divine or simply a man adopted, as an adult, to be in a special relationship with God. The proto-orthodox insisted that he was himself God. The original writings of
the New Testament never come out with anything so bold as a statement, Jesus is God. And so proto-orthodox scribes copying their manuscripts occasionally modified them to clarify Jesus’ divine character, such as this John 8:58.

Did you also not know that in the oldest manuscripts it was written as "ego eimi" or "I am he", not just "I am".
The phrase "I am" occurs many other times in the New Testament, and is often translated as "I am he" or some equivalent ("I am he"'Mark 13:6; Luke 21:8; John 13:19; 18:5, 6 and 8. "It is I"'Matt. 14:27; Mark 6:50; John 6:20. "I am the one I claim to be"'John 8:24 and 28.). It is obvious that these translations are quite correct, and it is interesting that the phrase is translated as "I am" only in John 8:58. If the phrase in John 8:58 were translated "I am he" or "I am the one," like all the others, it would be easier to see that Christ was speaking of himself as the Messiah of God (as indeed he was), spoken of throughout the Old Testament. At the Last Supper, the disciples were trying to find out who would deny the Christ. They said, literally, "Not I am, Lord" (Matt. 26:22 and 25). No one would say that the disciples were trying to deny that they were God because they were using the phrase "Not I am." The point is this: "I am" was a common way of designating oneself, and it did not mean you were claiming to be God.

Meanwhile, Jesus's denials that he is not God is VERY explicit.
I'll give you one first (there are countless others but I don't have the time now):
The most important one, answered Jesus, is this: “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.”


 
Re: Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son

Meanwhile, Jesus's denials that he is not God is VERY explicit.I'll give you one first (there are countless others but I don't have the time now): The most important one, answered Jesus, is this: “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.”
Again, as this thread is about what Christians believe and not what non-Christians believe such a post is out of place. However, I'll receive it as a question as to how do Christians understand Jesus to be God and/or God's son in light of this statement by Jesus?

To begin with, we don't take Jesus' statements in isolation, but read them in context with one another and the rest of scripture. A statement like this affirms that we worship just one God. And this Christians do, but other passages tell us that this one God came down to earth and incarnated himself in the human body we know as Jesus. (Now, some will mistake this to mean that God somehow left heaven in coming to earth. We believe no such thing. We understand that God is not like human beings who can occupy only one set phyiscal space at a time. We believe that God is fully capable of being in and ruling heaven even as he incarnates the human body known as Jesus.) And even though existing in a human body, we see Jesus behave as if he were God in extending the sort of forgiveness of sins that only God had the right to do. We see Jesus refute false accusations that are leveled at him, but never refute or deny the accusation that he has made himself equal with God by his words and actions. And ultimately it is for these acts, that the Jewish leaders of his day term blasphemy, that Jesus is turned over to the Romans to be executed. Then following his resurrection, Jesus is recognized as both "Lord and God" by one of his disciples, a labelling he not only accepts by commends, and the first sermon of the nascent church lifts Jesus up with God himself reported to have declared Jesus as worthy of being called "Lord", a title that the Jews did not use as an equivalent for our English "sir", but was reserved for God alone.

So, it is, that we Christians have both the expressed and implicit testimony of scripture (including much of it from Jesus himself) that there is just one God AND that Jesus is God. How both could be true at the same time was not always the easiest to understand, but understanding that both statements are true is what is expressed in scripture. And so the Christian belief, from the first generation of Christendom on, is that indeed all Christians believe Jesus is God. In the early church this was not even questioned, it was simply assumed. The more difficult question for the first 300 years of church history was, "Was Jesus really human?". But that is not the question posed in this thread.

This thread poses the question, "Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and/or God's son?"
Answer: If they are genuinely Christian they do.
Those groups and individuals that do not make this confession attribute the moniker "Christian" to themselves falsely. Indeed, that is why those supposed Christians, referred to in the above post, who would not make that confession in the early church were ultimately labelled heretics.
 
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Re: Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son

Here I'll present, as best I can, the teaching of the Eastern Orthodox Church on this question, which is broadly shared by Roman Catholics and some Protestants. I'd be happy to answer any sincere questions about this, but I don't want to start any arguments. The obvious disclaimer is that I'm not a theologian so don't assume my words are representative or authoritative.

Jesus Christ is one person who is at once perfect God and perfect man. He assumed all the common qualities of humanity (except sin) including a body and a rational soul, without compromising his divinity. Humanity and divinity were so inseparably united in him that it is possible to refer to his mother Mary as Theotokos (birthgiver of God), not because she gave birth to God in his divinity but because she gave birth to God in his humanity, and he is one person.

For further reading, a classic and brief treatise on who Jesus Christ is was written by Saint Athanasius of Alexandria and it's called On the Incarnation of the Word. It's readily available online.
 
Re: Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son

Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son are there any Christians sects that believe he is human and not God don't many Liberal Christians deny that Jesus is God do all Christians and all of Christianity agree that Jesus is God or are there any sects of Christianity that disagree ?

How do you define terms such as Christian, God, Believe, Christianity...?
Anyone who confess following Christ can be considered Christian, that includes Mormons and Muslims...
7th century Christians considered the religion of Mohamad, Mohamedanism, or Muslims Mohamedans, just like those who followed Luther later were called Lutherans. Many people have opinion and theories about Jesus Christ, this goes with their concept of what 'God' means, or what to 'Believe' mean.
 
Re: Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son

Amigo, did holy ghost inspire you to make lies?

More like satainic ghost to me.
 

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