truthseeker63's Corner

[Ali Mujahidin]

Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y



Ah, so the plot thickens. You do not take the Holy Quran literally (fyi I have never confused the Holy Quran with the Holy Bible and I have never confused the Holy Bible with the Kitab Injil). So do you or do you not take the commandment to perform solah five times a day literally? Or perhaps you have scientific validation that it is true that Allah has commanded us to perform solah fives times a day? Or perhaps you have scientific evidence to the contrary?

 

[ardianto]

Re: I have read that photo taking and filming and cameras is not allowed in Islam but

If IB admins hold opinion that prohibit photos and videos, no one can insert photo or video here.

 

[sister herb]

Re: I have read that photo taking and filming and cameras is not allowed in Islam but

Salam alaykum;

do you keep Bin Laden as role model of muslim (as if he kept photos or not)? Why not trust at the first place to scholars?

 

[Karl]

Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

Ah, so the plot thickens. You do not take the Holy Quran literally (fyi I have never confused the Holy Quran with the Holy Bible and I have never confused the Holy Bible with the Kitab Injil). So do you or do you not take the commandment to perform solah five times a day literally? Or perhaps you have scientific validation that it is true that Allah has commanded us to perform solah fives times a day? Or perhaps you have scientific evidence to the contrary?

It's called the Noble Quran.
This is off topic talking of the prayers but you must remember Allah gives people free will they can therefore pray as much as they like, the more the better of course. The main purpose of prayer is not to glorify God all day but to take your mind off your own petty problems. To contemplate the greatness of Allah and creation and to think of others, all life out there etc, to seek inner peace.

 

[Ali Mujahidin]

Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

The main purpose of prayer is not to glorify God all day but to take your mind off your own petty problems.

Very interesting observation. Did you get that from the Holy/Noble Quran or do you have other official Muslim resources, too? If you have other official/unofficial resources for information on Islam, please post a link/links so that I can learn about it, too.

 

[Tyrion]

Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

It's called the Noble Quran.

Nope. It's called the Quran. Other adjectives can be added to it though (like with most nouns...) so we can get "The Noble Quran", or a number of other things like "The Glorious Quran", or "The Holy Quran", etc... The Quran itself swears by "Al-Quran al-Hakeem" which would translate to "The wise Quran" (Surah Ya-Sin, verse 2)

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

Nope. It's called the Quran. Other adjectives can be added to it though (like with most nouns...) so we can get "The Noble Quran", or a number of other things like "The Glorious Quran", or "The Holy Quran", etc... The Quran itself swears by "Al-Quran al-Hakeem" which would translate to "The wise Quran" (Surah Ya-Sin, verse 2)

Yes, Allah SWT also refer to Al Qur'an as Al Furqon (the Criterion).

I am advising Karl to go back and study Al Qur'an before he spreads more fitna.

 

[User29123]

Re: I have read that photo taking and filming and cameras is not allowed in Islam but

I have read that photo taking and filming and cameras is not allowed in Islam but are there exceptions to this can photos be taken for educational reasons ?

Yes photos can be used for education even drawing, you can film/draw anything except for living breathing things. (animals/humans)

 

[Eric H]

Re: Next Week I will be meeting an local IMAM about converting to Islam what should I

Greetings and peace be with you truthseeker63;

Did you get to see the Imam last week, and how did you get on?

In the spirit of searching for God

Eric

 

[Karl]

Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

Nope. It's called the Quran. Other adjectives can be added to it though (like with most nouns...) so we can get "The Noble Quran", or a number of other things like "The Glorious Quran", or "The Holy Quran", etc... The Quran itself swears by "Al-Quran al-Hakeem" which would translate to "The wise Quran" (Surah Ya-Sin, verse 2)

Thankyou for the info.
I read a Saudi publication with attached Hadiths and explanations and backgrounds of the texts. It was called the Noble Quran in English and some Aribic writing on the cover also, but I can only make out the Latin alphabet.

 

[Karl]

Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

Very interesting observation. Did you get that from the Holy/Noble Quran or do you have other official Muslim resources, too? If you have other official/unofficial resources for information on Islam, please post a link/links so that I can learn about it, too.

It was probably somrwhere in my Saudi publication, sorry I have not got it on me. It was not part of the Quran though.

 

[Karl]

Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

Yes, Allah SWT also refer to Al Qur'an as Al Furqon (the Criterion).

I am advising Karl to go back and study Al Qur'an before he spreads more fitna.

Yes I am not an expert on Islam and people are very touchy on the subject so I will leave it to the experts.

 

[M.I.A.]

Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

its just different tribes innit?

cant tell you where they came from, guess you need to look at history books and science.
or adam and eve, but the time lines dont match up between the first sources and the second, take your pick.

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

Yes I am not an expert on Islam and people are very touchy on the subject so I will leave it to the experts.

I'm sorry but it's not true.

You were the one who were being touchy.

When br. thisoldman said "Holy Qur'an", you told him he was wrong, although he was not wrong.

And you chastised br. thisoldman for having belief that we all are descendant from Adam and Hawa (pbut), although he was not wrong.

All we wanted is for you to provide evidence for what you have been saying in this forum.

Please do not twist facts.

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

I read a Saudi publication with attached Hadiths and explanations and backgrounds of the texts. It was called the Noble Quran in English and some Aribic writing on the cover also, but I can only make out the Latin alphabet.

It was probably somrwhere in my Saudi publication, sorry I have not got it on me. It was not part of the Quran though.

what is this saudi publication? Can you please give us the title, or maybe scan it for us?

I am interested also to know what Islamic sources that say we all are not descendants from Adam and Hawa (pbut).

 

[NobleMuslimUK]

Re: Next Week I will be meeting an local IMAM about converting to Islam what should I

I am also interested to know how your date with the imam went. Inshallah it was all good and joyous journey and now comes the part where what you have learnt you can put into practise.

 

[NobleMuslimUK]

Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

Asalaam walekum,
Brother Karl, I have read through all the pages and see that you have said some things that scientifically make sense, but your view of the Quran regarding the human race well you seem very confused.
I also believe race is not a myth, we as humans come in different colours the main factor and different physical characteristics. Some physical characteristics are more general to certain races than others. For example people of black skin colour in the males generally larger skulls, thick hair gradient, flat wider noses, naturally muscular physique, tall height etc. In the chinese slanty eyes, yellowy skin colour, short heights, semites large noses etc. I dont want to go through all the races.
As far as I am aware when Allah created Adam He took clay from different parts of the world, hence his offspring is of different colours. What gives you this mad idea that we arent all offspring of Adam and Eve. Havent you read the Quran, the story of Habil and Qabil. How mother Eve had twins a boy and girl, then again a boy and girl. The first twin boy was allowed to marry the second twin girl and the first twin girl was allowed to marry the second twin brother. Incest in this case allowed, but the twins born at the same time were not allowed to marry. So please stop this nonesense about we dont all come from Adam and Eve.
Chimps have 90% human dna does that mean chimps are a species of humans? Of course not. Allah has honoured mankind as his best creation. We may have different characteristics physically and visually, but we are all able to recite the revelation of Allah and worship Him which is our main purpose in life. For example for certain laguages you use certain parts of the brain which you dont in other languages.
Allah knows best

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

Brother Karl, I have read through all the pages and see that you have said some things that scientifically make sense,

Scientifically speaking, what he has said doesn't even make any sense, because current scientific endeavors determined that all humans came from a single ancestor in east africa more than a hundred thousands years ago.

 

[Ali Mujahidin]

Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y



Going over brother Karl's posts again, certain thoughts passed through my mind. It is not a good thing to harbor bad thoughts about other people so I will post some of those thoughts here so that they can be corrected as need be.

1. In his avatar, under religion, it says "Muslim". Truth be told, he's the first Muslim that I have ever met who did not believe that all mankind are descended from Adam and Eve. Perhaps the word "Muslim" in his avatar was a typo?

2. His username makes me think of a blue-eyed blond-haired type of person. Then he alluded to some Saudi publications which, so far, he could not show us at all. Makes me wonder what race he actually is. Could he actually be just a non-Muslim who had read a bit about Islam from some publications which he thought were authoritative since he thought they came from Saudi Arabia?

I really hope that my thoughts are way off-target and that he is just a young Muslim child who had never been taught any better about Islam. WaLLahu aklam.

 

[Karl]

Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

1. In his avatar, under religion, it says "Muslim". Truth be told, he's the first Muslim that I have ever met who did not believe that all mankind are descended from Adam and Eve. Perhaps the word "Muslim" in his avatar was a typo?

Both Muslims and Christians believe in the Adam and Eve story. Some Christians believe in polygenism (though I will admit most don't), so I can't see any reason why Muslims can't either. I am not necessarily saying there was "no" Adam and Eve, but I AM saying that if the Adam and Eve story IS true then I simply won't buy it that all different human races around the entire planet descended from just ONE PAIR. There must have been many pairs. Again, I don't give a d*mn if you don't like me saying that but I DO give a d*mn if you keep badgering me over a staunch belief I hold, and a stance I have EVERY PERFECT RIGHT to hold! You will NEVER EVER change my polygenist stance, you can never take that from me, so just forget it if you think you can. Do you suggest that I should abandon Islam because I don't take everything literally word for word from the holy books and that I am utterly convinced that metaphor IS sometimes employed in Islam (as well as pretty well every other religion)? Is that what you'd like me to do? You are saying that because of my 100% inexorable polygenist stance that that is therefore my only choice left now, right?

I really hope that my thoughts are way off-target and that he is just a young Muslim child who had never been taught any better about Islam. WaLLahu aklam.

Ummm, I wasn't aware that "young children" were able to even WRITE or TYPE language to begin with! You would have to admit that a pre-schooler writing like I do must be reasonably rare?