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The Problem of Nationalism/Patriotism ?

[h=1]The Problem of Pride[/h][h=2]Patriotism, Racism, and Flags[/h]From Lancelot Kirby

http://atheism.about.com/od/politicspoliticalissues/a/problempride_2.htm


I know this is from an Atheist website but it makes a good point we as Humans don't make a choice as to what Nation we were born in anyone agree Patriotism is silly ?
 
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An atheist also made a really good piece about the capitalist system that I saw a while back and the problem with it & the problem with usury, which is what the Muslims have been saying for centuries.. I'll try to find the video once again- the problem with atheism is that they don't offer a solution and they don't want to admit that one in fact exists with an Islamic system..
The problem isn't just with pride but with all the similar deadly sins, from all them all other problems are borne.
 
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truthseeker63 said:
The Problem of Pride

Patriotism, Racism, and Flags

From Lancelot Kirby

http://atheism.about.com/od/politicspoliticalissues/a/problempride_2.htm


I know this is from an Atheist website but it makes a good point we as Humans don't make a choice as to what Nation we were born in anyone agree Patriotism is silly ?
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Why need an atheist piece to condemn pride?

Isnt it ironic an atheist is talking against pride? Atheism is the end result of pride in one's intellect and one's body. As a result of that you are free to do whatever you wish.

Or are you using atheistic piece just for supporting your agenda?

Racism is stupid, but love for the land where one was born and using it in one's name is not.
 
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CosmicPathos said:
love for the land where one was born and using it in one's name is not.
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it is.......

Why would you be proud of race, nationality? You haven’t achieved your race or nationality nor do you have any control of it.
 
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Rhubarb Tart said:
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Why would you be proud of race, nationality? You haven’t achieved your race or nationality nor do you have any control of it.
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By your logic, no man or woman has achieved their personality, habits or qualities (as most of it is based on genotype and genes), and should not be proud of themselves.

Nationality is temporary, it changes with changing world maps. I talked about something totally different, guess you did not read properly.
 
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CosmicPathos said:
By your logic, no man or woman has achieved their personality, habits or qualities (as most of it is based on genotype and genes), and should not be proud of themselves.

Nationality is temporary, it changes with changing world maps. I talked about something totally different, guess you did not read properly.
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Personality, habits and/or qualities are not entirely or "mostly" based on genotype of genes. Loving the land you were born is pretty much the same as loving your nationality. I also mentioned nationality because I know you are very proud of your Pakistani heritage.
 
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Tragic Typos said:
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I see no purpose in loving "land".
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Al Bukhari apparently loved his land, and hence his name Al Bokhari. Prophet Muhammad pbuh loved Makkah despite Medina being his town.

I see no point in what you have said.

W salam
 
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ardianto said:
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My land is my home, and I have responsibility to maintain my home because this is the place where I'm living. Is it wrong?.
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Do you think maintaining land/home equates to loving it? No, I do not think there is anything wrong with maintaining your home/land.

CosmicPathos said:
I see no point in what you have said.
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I was sharing my opinion.

For me, I cannot love a land. Land is the surface of the Earth that is not covered by water. It is hard for me to love that.
 
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CosmicPathos said:
By your logic, no man or woman has achieved their personality, habits or qualities (as most of it is based on genotype and genes), and should not be proud of themselves.
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Do you have evidence for this?
 
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GuestFellow said:
Do you think maintaining land/home equates to loving it? No, I do not think there is anything wrong with maintaining your home/land.
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Someone who does not love his land will make damage on it without feel guilty, and will take advantage from people at there only to satisfy himself. Someone who loves his land will always maintain his land to make it always be a nice place for living, and he will give positive contribution for people at there.

Maintain the land is equates to loving it.
I was sharing my opinion.

For me, I cannot love a land. Land is the surface of the Earth that is not covered by water. It is hard for me to love that.
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It seem like you are thinking about loving the land, in frame of love between men and women. Loving the land is different than loving the spouse.
 
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ardianto said:
Someone who does not love his land will make damage on it without feel guilty, and will take advantage from people at there only to satisfy himself.
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I doubt it. I don't love land and I never damaged land, nor have I taken advantage over anyone.


Someone who loves his land will always maintain his land to make it always be a nice place for living, and he will give positive contribution for people at there.
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Are you sure about that? Have you heard about certain rich Saudis who live in beautiful properties but happen to abuse their maids and take advantage over them?


Maintain the land is equates to loving it.
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So maintenance means loving it? If a technician maintains a computer system, does that mean he loves it? In fact, do you have to love something in order to maintain it?

It seem like you are thinking about loving the land, in frame of love between men and women. Loving the land is different than loving the spouse.
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Yes, I think "love" exists between human beings. I find it hard to love the surface of the Earth that is not covered in water.
 

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