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Should I as a Muslim respect the Jews as the People of the Book ?

Should I as a Muslim respect the Jews as the People of the Book ? When I was a Christian I did respect the Jews as People of the Bible I will admit that I used to be a supporter of Zionism because I thought the World was coming to an End because of Bible Prophecy and I thought that the Jews had to control Palestine. I still respect Jews as fellow Human Beings and as People of the Book. I respect Jews and Christians but they are misguided. I respect the Germans/Germany as a Nation as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_the_Book

Judaism And Zionism Are Not The Same Thing

However, despite the media blackout and easy resort to terror the simple truth remains unrefuted and irrefutable: ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH FAITH AND TORAH LAW THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE FORBIDDEN TO HAVE THEIR OWN STATE WHILE AWAITING THE MESSIANIC ERA!

http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/judaism_isnot_zionism.cfm
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Can Muslim Men marry Jewish Women ?
 
Re: Should I as a Muslim respect the Jews as the People of the Book ?

When I bash Jews I am not bashing all Jews I am bashig the super rich/wealthy Jewish elites like the RothsChilds. Also the Jewish Zionist Elites helped Germany kill Jews during the Holocaust. I would compare to saying the below.

Come and Hear™ subscribes to conventional nomenclature rules when writing about societies, nations, and peoples. We apply these conventions across the board.
The statement, "Americans bombed Cambodia during the Vietnam War," is a true statement, even though not every American was part of that effort.
The statement, "The Americans voted Richard Nixon into the presidency," is a true statement, even though not every American voted for President Nixon.
The statement, "Apple pie is the favorite American dessert," is true, although some Americans clearly love cherry pie more.
Come and Hear™ uses the terms "Jews" and "Jewish" in the same manner.
Thank you for your consideration of the above,
Carol A. Valentine, Ear at come-and-hear dot com
July 14, 2003 ( This article is on line at http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/ling.html )

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[h=3]Documented accounts of Jews who helped Hitler and the Nazis[/h] Nazis, Serbs and other similar creatures are the epitome world scum, and lower than them are Jews who helped them. The purpose of the following chronicle is two fold. First, it is not intended to boast the sad genocidal crimes of Jews against Jews during the Holocaust, instead it is to clarify that certain groups for various reasons commit crimes, Jewish groups too, and an entire religion (i.e. Islam, Christianity, Hinduism.....), should not be demonized for the actions of a few individuals. Because as we have seen from WWII, when all of the Jews were demonized as Christ killers, the result was deadly.
Second, the reason for this document is to show that we must not be brainwashed to think that our foes are our friends, and our friends are our foes, the rare appearance of the facts listed here is proof of how history can be manipulated:
In 1938 July 6-15, President Roosevelt convened the Evian conference to deal with the Jewish refugee problem. The Jewish Agency delegation headed by Golda Meir (Meirson) ignored a German offer to allow Jews to emigrate to other countries for $250 a head, and the other Jewish groups made no effort to influence the United States and the 32 other countries attending the conference to allow immigration of German and Austrian Jews.
[Source]
On Feb 1, 1940 Henry Montor executive vice-President of the United Jewish Appeal refused to intervene for a shipload of Jewish refugees stranded on the Danube river, stating that "Palestine cannot be flooded with... old people or with undesirables."
[Source]
It is an historical fact that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and
b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and
c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.
The Jewsish leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.
The answer of the Jewish leaders was negative, with the following comments:
a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.
b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.
c) No ransom will be paid
This response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.
In 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved. The same Jewish hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).
The British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.
On December 17, 1942 both houses of the British Parliament declared its readiness to find temporary refuge for endagered persons. The British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany. This motion received within two weeks a total of 277 Parliamentary signatures. On Jan. 27, when the next steps were being pursued by over 100 M.P.'s and Lords, a spokesman for the Zionists announced that the Jews would oppose the motion because Palestine was ommitted.
[Source]
On Feb. 16, 1943 Roumania offered 70,000 Jewish refugees of the Trans-Dniestria to leave at the cost of $50 each. This was publicized in the New York papers.
Yitzhak Greenbaum, Chairman of the Rescue Committee of the Jewish Agency, addressing the Zionist Executive Council in Tel Aviv Feb. 18 1943 said, "when they asked me, "couldn't you give money out of the United Jewish Appeal funds for the rescue of Jews in Europe, I said NO! and I say again, NO!...one should resist this wave which pushes the Zionist activities to secondary importance."
On Feb. 24, 1943 Stephen Wise, President of the American Jewish Congress and leader of the American Zionists issued a public refusal to this offer and declared no collection of funds would seem justified.
In 1944, the Emergency Committee to Save the Jewish People called upon the American government to establish a War Refugee Board. Stephen Wise testifying before a special committee of Congress objected to this proposal.
[Source]
During the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weizman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weizman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".
And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, these Zionist "statesmen" lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to remain in hunger and deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but Palestine; only for the purpose of building their State.
In 1947 Congressman William Stration sponsored a bill to immediately grant entry to the United States of 400,000 displaced persons. The bill was not passed after it was publicly denounced by the Zionist leadership.
[Source]
These facts are read with consternation and unbearable shame. How can it be explained that at a time during the last phase of the war, when the Nazis were willing to barter Jews for money, partly because of their desires to establish contact with the Western powers which, they believed, were under Jewish influence, how was it possible one asks that the self-proclaimed "Jewish leaders" did not move heaven and earth to save the last remnant of their brothers?
On Feb. 23, 1956 the Hon. J. W. Pickersgill, Minister for Immigration was asked in the Canadian House of Commons "would he open the doors of Canada to Jewish refugees". He replied "the government has made no progress in that direction because the government of Israel....does not wish us to do so".
[Source]
In 1972, the Zionist leadership successfully opposed an effort in the United States Congress to allow 20,000-30,000 Russian refugees to enter the United States. Jewish relief organizations, Joint and HIAS, were being pressured to abandon these refugees in Vienna, Rome and other Europiean cities.
[Source]
The pattern is clear!!! Humanitarian rescue efforts are subverted to narrow Zionist interests.
There were many more shocking crimes committed by these abject degenerates known as "Jewish statesmen", we could list many more example, but for the time being let anyone produce a valid excuse for the above facts.
Jewish responsibility for the Holocaust is threefold.
  1. The Holocaust was a punishment for disrespecting The Three Oaths (see Talmud, Tractate Kesubos p. 111a).
  2. Jewish leaders openly withheld support, both financially and otherwise, to save their fellow brothers and sisters from a cruel death.
  3. The leaders of the Zionist movement cooperated with Hitler and his cohorts on many occasions and in many ways.
[h=3]Jews Offer a Military Alliance with Hitler[/h]It would be wishful thinking if it could be stated that the leaders of the Zionist movement sat back and ignored the plight of their dying brothers and sisters. Not only did they publicly refuse to assist in their rescue, but they actively participated with Hitler and the Nazi regime.
Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the German port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letter for its name, "Tel Aviv", while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was Zionist owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party (Nazi) member. Many years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical absurdity". Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a little-known chapter of history: The wide ranging collaboration between Jews and Hitler's Third Reich.
In early January 1941 a small but important Jewish organization submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made by the radical underground "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel", better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang. Its leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical nationalist "National Military Organization" (Irgun Zvai Leumi - Etzel) over the group's attitude toward Britain, which had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern regarded Britain as the main enemy of Zionism.
This remarkable proposal "for the solution of the Jewish question in Europe and the active participation on the NMO [Lehi] in the war on the side of Germany" is worth quoting at some length:
"The NMO which is very familiar with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany and the Zionist emigration program takes the view that:

  1. [*]    Common interests can exist between a European New Order based on the German concept and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as embodied by the NMO.
    [*]    Cooperation is possible between the New Germany and a renewed, folkish-national Jewry.
    [*]    The establishment of the Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by treaty, with the German Reich, would be in the interest of maintaining and strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East.
"On the basis of these considerations, and upon the condition that the German Reich government recognize the national aspirations of the Israel Freedom Movement mentioned above, the NMO in Palestine offers to actively take part in the war on the side of Germany.
"This offer by the NMO could include military, political and informational activity within Palestine and, after certain organizational measures, outside as well. Along with this the "Jewish" men of Europe would be militarily trained and organized in military units under the leadership and command of the NMO. They would take part in combat operations for the purpose of conquering Palestine, should such a front be formed.
"The indirect participation of the Israel Freedom Movement in the New Order of Europe, already in the preparatory stage, combined with a positive-radical solution of the European-Jewish problem on the basis of the national aspirations of the Jewish people mentioned above, would greatly strengthen the moral foundation of the New Order in the eyes of all humanity.
"The cooperation of the Israel Freedom Movement would also be consistent with a recent speech by the German Reich Chancellor, in which Hitler stressed that he would utilize any combination and coalition in order to isolate and defeat England".

[h=5](Original document in German Auswertiges Amt Archiv, Bestand 47-59, E224152 and E234155-58.
Complete original text published in: David Yisraeli, The Palestinian Problem in German Politics 1889-1945 (Israel: 1947) pp. 315-317).[/h]​
On the basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and nationhood, National Socialists and Jews worked together for what each group believed was in its own national interests.
This is just one example of the Zionist movements' collaboration with Hitler for the purpose of possibly receiving jurisdiction over a minute piece of earth, Palestine.
[h=5]Source for paragraphs marked "[Source]":
The Wall Street Journal December 2, 1976 http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Jews-not-for-Judaism/Jews-who-helped-nazis-hitler.htm[/h]

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Re: Should I as a Muslim respect the Jews as the People of the Book ?

Praise be to Allaah.

Interacting with Jews, Christians and all other kuffaar is subject to guidelines and regulations that are set out in Islamic sharee’ah. These guidelines include the following:
Firstly:
It is permissible to speak with the kaafirs and to discuss permissible matters with him.
Secondly:
It is not permissible to take the kuffaar as close friends (awliya’). Taking them as close friends may happen in many ways, such as mixing with them, feeling comfortable with them, living with them, taking them as close friends, loving them, preferring them over the believers, and so on. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“You (O Muhammad) will not find any people who believe in Allaah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allaah and His Messenger (Muhammad), even though they were their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred (people)”
[al-Mujaadilah 58:22]

Thirdly:
It is permissible to interact with the kuffaar to buy, sell, lend and so on. It was narrated in saheeh reports that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) borrowed a weapon from Safwaan ibn Umayyah, and that he bought food from the Jews.
With regard to how to treat a wife from among the people of the Book (i.e., a Jewish or Christian woman), Allaah says in His Book (interpretation of the meaning):

“Allaah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allaah loves those who deal with equity”
[al-Mumtahanah 60:8]

So it is permissible to treat a Jewish or Christian wife justly and kindly, and there is nothing wrong with that; it does not come under the heading of the type of close friendship and strong bonds that is forbidden.
Al-Kaasaani said in Badaa’i al-Sanaa’i’ (2/270):
It is not permissible for a Muslim to marry a mushrik woman, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And do not marry Al-Mushrikaat (idolatresses) till they believe (worship Allaah Alone)”
[al-Baqarah 2:221]

But it is permissible to marry a woman from among the people of the Book, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“(Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time”
[al-Maa'idah 5:5]

The difference is that the basic principle is that a Muslim is not permitted to marry a kaafir, because marrying a kaafir woman and mixing with her at the same time when there is religious animosity will not produce the tranquility and love which are the basic purpose of marriage, but it is permitted to marry a woman from among the People of the Book in the hope that she will become Muslim, because she believes in the Books of the Prophets and Messengers in general, but she does not believe in a comprehensive and correct manner, because what she was taught is different from what is real. It is likely that when the facts are pointed out to her, she will accept them. So her husband should call her to Islam and tell her how things really are. So when a Muslim marries such a woman there is the hope that she will become Muslim, so it is permissible to marry them for this purpose. This is unlike the case of a mushrik woman, because by choosing to associate others in worship with Allaah and not to believe in the Prophets and Messengers, this indicates that she does not pay any attention to proof and evidence and will not respond to da’wah, and will rather continue to follow the way of her forefathers and to follow her whims and desires. So there will remain that religious animosity which will not produce the tranquility and love which are the basic purpose of marriage, so it is not permissible to marry such a woman.


And he said in Haashiyat al-‘Adawi (1/273):
The phrase “we forsake those who disbelieve in You” means we cast aside any positive feelings towards those who worship anyone other than You, and we will not love his way or feel any inclination towards it. But this does mean that we are not allowed to marry a woman from among the people of the Book, because marrying her may attract her to the religion of Islam, as marriage is a type of interacting with others and what is meant here is to hate the way of kufr.

- IslamQA
 
Re: Should I as a Muslim respect the Jews as the People of the Book ?

My respected and noble brother, respect all humans whether muslims or not and treat them kindly and justly...

Allah says:"Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. (8)" Surat Al Mumtahinah
With regard to marrying a Christian or Jewish woman, this is permissible according to the text of the Qur’aan. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
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“Made lawful to you this day are At‑Tayyibaat [all kinds of Halaal (lawful) foods, which Allaah has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits)]. The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. (Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time when you have given their due Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), desiring chastity (i.e. taking them in legal wedlock) not committing illegal sexual intercourse, nor taking them as girlfriends”

[al-Maa’idah 5:5]

Ibn al-Qayyim said:

It is permissible to marry a woman from the People of the Book. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“(Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste [muhsan] women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time”

[al-Maa’idah 5:5]

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/45645
 
Re: Should I as a Muslim respect the Jews as the People of the Book ?

Respect every living being, regardless of race, religion, species. A kafir is a disbeliever/one who rejects the truth. Can we honestly that every non-muslim we know has been presented with all the truths in Islam? Everyone wants to be respected, and I believe that it is part of good adab, and thus part of da'wa. I've had a personal experience when I was still in school, out of the who class i had 2 "muslim" classmates. One of them was quite obvious about being "atheist" while the other was probably just a "disobedient" muslim. That said, my classmates often meet up to drink alcohol after class. As it was not my thing I wouldn't join in, and honestly I found that I was quite close to a christian classmate who had similar values. There are good people among every nations/beliefs, if we don't treat them with proper adab we might discourage them from learning about Islam. SubhanAllah.. may we never be the reason someone is discouraged from the truth.
 
What is the difference between Islam and Capitalism ?

What is the difference between Islam and Capitalism ?
 
Re: Is Bisexuality just as bad as Homosexuality ?

A person who has bisexual inclinations needs to curb his homosexual desires and concentrate on his heterosexual ones (within the framework of marriage). It is the act of homosexuality that incurs sin (and all that lead up to it, e.g. fantasising).
 
Re: Should I as a Muslim respect the Jews as the People of the Book ?

May Allah love ya , honor ya, Be pleaased with ya and elevate your status in this dunya and Akhirah too my respected brother Ameeeeeeeen

beautiful response and well said my noble brother Hulk...May Allah bless ya Ameeen
 
Re: Islamic Demonstration Against NYC Gay Parade

I am offended and discriminated against!

Why don't I have the opportunity to participate in a "Straight Pride" parade?

Not fair! Unfair to Heterosexuals! Call the ACLU!

I am off to organize one now...I will keep everyone posted.
 
Re: What is the difference between Islam and Capitalism ?

Islam is a religion, capitalism is a social-politic-economic system.




Or maybe you are asking about difference between Islamic economic system and capitalism?
 
Re: Should I as a Muslim respect the Jews as the People of the Book ?

Good people and bad people are exist in every community. I believe, not every Jew disrespect Muslims, just like not every Muslim disrespect Jews.
 
Re: Islamic Demonstration Against NYC Gay Parade

GodIsAll said:
I am offended and discriminated against!

Why don't I have the opportunity to participate in a "Straight Pride" parade?

Not fair! Unfair to Heterosexuals! Call the ACLU!

I am off to organize one now...I will keep everyone posted.
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I have said this for years. If they can have a Gay Pride parade, why can't we have a Straight Pride parade?

Just not fair, man.... not fair.
 
Re: Islamic Demonstration Against NYC Gay Parade

Salaam,

What's the point. This is not to change anything. Muslims should put effort into activities that produce results.
 
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Is it me or are there several threads that are just on homosexuality. :raging:

Put them in the same thread.
 
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truthseeker63 said:
We must not feel sorry for these Homosexuals because Homosexuality is a choice no human being is born Gay Im sick of Homosexuals comparing their plight to that of Black People or to Jews or to Women.
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i think protesting the parade is idiotic, as idiotic as when the Bible thumpin' Christians do it. i, for 1, DO feel sorry for them. mostly because as messengers of THE Messenger, we suck. most people in the west look at Muslims and see a bunch of fools who abuse or kill women or treat them like 2nd class citizens, who run around telling everyone else that they are going to hell, who allow their rulers to commit the same atrocities that we spew venom at the kuffars for, etc...

I would like to telll Homosexuals to repent before it is too late.
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people don't just reject the Message, they can be rejecting the one who told them or the way that they are told as well [or instead of].

why not tell gay folks that you love them? why not tell them that you would love to see them in Jannah? why not tell them that you hope that maybe they've done some good deed in the eyes of Allah that you hope that they get to heaven before you do?! why not tell them that you are at their service and that if they need help in any way that you will gladly provide it?

i've lived in the Seattle area for quite some time now and there is a huge gay population. i know many waiters that i worked with who died of aids. yet i've also seen many selfless acts of loving kindness from them too. i see many in the Muslim community that don't give a crap about anyone else [of course i know some AWESOME ones too]. i know non-believers who spent a lot time comforting the dying and caring for the sick.

i think the worst thing that someone can do is to reject Allah, but next to that is behaving in a manner that causes others to reject Him as well. many Muslims claim that they don't "make dawah", but they behave rudely to others, which IS dawah; but it is dawah that is calling to the hellfire and NOT to Allah. MAYBE we are the reason that people reject Islam. MAYBE the gay and non-believers have an excuse, BUT we don't.

in the early days, many people found Islam because they admired the Muslims so much that they wanted to be like them!

we are not oft admired, are we?

why is that?

who will we blame on Judgment Day?

who?

:wa:
 
Re: Islamic Demonstration Against NYC Gay Parade

I can understand if the muslims are protesting against something that violates their rights but to protest against this gay parade is weird in my opinion because NYC is not a muslim majority community, in fact even the US is not muslim majority.
 
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Hulk said:
I can understand if the muslims are protesting against something that violates their rights but to protest against this gay parade is weird in my opinion because NYC is not a muslim majority community, in fact even the US is not muslim majority.
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Doesn't matter, if the whole of the US's morals have deteriorated doesn't mean muslims should stand by whilst gays parade around naked in the streets

We have to set an example, I wouldn't be suprised if a lot of conservative christians decided to join in the protests
 

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