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Re: Is being proud of your ethnic group allowed in Islam ?

Surah (Chapter) "The Chambers" # 49, Verse # 13
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"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female,
And made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other
(Not that ye despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight
of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted (with all things)."
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ASABIYYAH (NATIONALISM)



Bismillah ar Rahman ar Raheem
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Today’s talk will be a short lecture on the disgusting, ignorant disease of Asabiyyah or Nationalism. Asabiyyah is a form of Nationalism in which people group themselves on tribal, racial, ethnic, school of thought and political grounds. Supporting them and giving preference to them over other people because of these reasons. For example if you were in a room with two people, one was from your country and the other wasn’t, and in your heart you’d already favoured the one from your country, then you are infected by the disease of Asabiyyah.

The drive that causes asabiyyah is the feeling of being better than others, and that others are at a lower class. So, the person that has this feeling of asabiyyah thinks so highly of himself and of those to whom he belongs, and thinks that other people are NOT as good as his own people.
This kind of thinking is backward, and it is in fact a kind of arrogance that comes from the mentality of Shaytan, which led him to disobey the command of Allah when He ordered him to prostrate to Adam. Shaytan said, "I am better than him, You created me out of fire and you created him (Adam) out of clay." The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) warned us when he said, "No one enters Paradise if they have in their heart a atom weight of arrogance." The Prophet (pbuh) defined this arrogance in two things: Rejection of the truth and looking down on people. Many scholars consider Satan to be the first Racist.

Unfortunately this Asabiyyah has infected the Ummah. How often do we enter a new Mosque, and are totally ignored or our Salaams are never returned? Or in a gathering, where everybody is talking their own language and excluding those that don’t understand? Muslims are now grouping and discriminating against each other based on Islamic School of Thought, thinking that Hanafis are superior to Malikis or Wahhabis are extreme etc. Islam, under the unifying call of La illha il Allah was meant extinguish any of this.

Allah says in the Quran:
"And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allah, and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allah’s Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another, but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (3:103)
Here he advises his creation against dividing ourselves into different sects and groups. Later on Allah explains why he created us differently:
"O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you in the sight of Allah is those who has most taqwa…" (49:13)

Allah said that He created the differences amongst people to be a reason for them to get to know each other, and live together in peace and unity and not a reason for them to look down on one another. In reality, the only scale of being better than others is at-taqwa (righteousness) and the good deeds one does.
Allah and the Prophet (pbuh), have spoken out many times against asabiyyah and racism.

In a hadith Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:
"An Arab is no better than a non-Arab. In return, a non-Arab is no better than an Arab. A red raced man is no better than a black one except in piety. Mankind are all Adam's children and
Adam was created out of clay" [Al-Bukhari and Muslim, on the authority of Abu Musa].
On the Subject of Asabiyyah, . It is narrated by Abu Dawud that the Prophet (pbuh) said:
"He is not one of us who calls for 'Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for 'Asabiyyah or who dies for 'Asabiyyah."
And in another Hadith, the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) referring to nationalism, racism and patriotism said:
“Leave it, it is rotten” (Bukhari,Muslim)

This rotten disease wasn’t as common in the Prophet’s (pbuh) time. Remember the first man to call the Muslims to prayer, was a black Ethiopian by the name of Bilal ibn Rabeh, (may Allah be pleased with him).
Islam was sent as a religion for the whole Mankind, not just one particular nation or tribe. As Muslims we need to unite, the reason we are in such a state is because we are divided. United we stand, divided we fall. How true this is for us Muslims.

So let us stop putting Country, race, ethnic origin first, and Place Allah and Islam there in our hearts and deeds. We are Muslim first, everything else pales into insignificance.


http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78327


The Ummah is one body. You cannot be one if you are divided by patriotism.



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http://unsettledchristianity.com/2008/07/15-reasons-why-homosexuality-is-wrong-and-hurts-society/
 
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Re: Is being proud of your ethnic group allowed in Islam ?

As long as you do not regard your ethnic is better than other ethnics, and you do not discriminate people just because they are from other ethnics, it's okay.
 
Re: Is being proud of your ethnic group allowed in Islam ?

A Muslims allegiance is to Islaam and the Islamic culture, heritage etc. We should not consider ourselves as Asians, Arabs, British etc.. only Muslims [living in Asia, Britain etc]. We should not even have the feeling of being proud to be from a particular piece of land, colour etc as this is the introduction to nationalism/racism and arrogance and similar.

However, it is not haram to adopt certain cultures present in a certain country - what must be avoided is the feeling of belongingness to that country as this would cause disunity in the Ummah.
 
Re: Since Homosexuality is evil since Homosexuals can't procreate and the Human Race

What does everyone think ?
 
Some Christians I talk to say that Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him w

Some Christians I talk to say that Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him was not a Israelite therefor he could not be a Prophet and or a Messenger of God is this true ? I thought that the Israelites/Jews/Hebrews broke the Covenant ? Muhammad was a Ishmaelite correct or wrong thanks ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_(biblical)
 
Re: Is being proud of your ethnic group allowed in Islam ?

Malcolm X was proud of his ethnic backgroud even after he came back from Mecca. Yasser Arafat Im sure was proud of his as well as was Gamal Abdel Nasser.
 
Re: Is being proud of your ethnic group allowed in Islam ?

We didnt have a choice in what etnicity we were born into

But We should be happy we were born Muslim, I think this is the greatest gift we could be given. And im sure most reverts would agree
 
Re: Is being proud of your ethnic group allowed in Islam ?

Dying Rose said:
Or in a gathering, where everybody is talking their own language and excluding those that don’t understand?
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ok asabiyya is of course wrong, but this article is a way above the top. How is preferring to talk in one's language in a group a sign of asabiiyah. Sorry, I wont speak in English just to accommodate those who dont speak my language in the group. After all, are we not being forced to learn English to succeed in professional workplace! By God it astonishes me, first you force us to speak your language i.e. English if we are to achieve some worldly success, and then if we get opportunity to speak ours in a group, you blame us for asabiyyah and excluding you from the convo!
 
Re: Is being proud of your ethnic group allowed in Islam ?

CosmicPathos said:
ok asabiyya is of course wrong, but this article is a way above the top. How is preferring to talk in one's language in a group a sign of asabiiyah. Sorry, I wont speak in English just to accommodate those who dont speak my language in the group. After all, are we not being forced to learn English to succeed in professional workplace! By God it astonishes me, first you force us to speak your language i.e. English if we are to achieve some worldly success, and then if we get opportunity to speak ours in a group, you blame us for asabiyyah and excluding you from the convo!
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Why do you have to overreact to everything?^o)

OF COURSE you will speak a language that everybody understands in the group. By talking in your own language among your "people" you are actually excluding the other one who do not speak your language.
 
Re: Is being proud of your ethnic group allowed in Islam ?

Allah<3 said:
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OF COURSE you will speak a language that everybody understands in the group. By talking in your own language among your "people" you are actually excluding the other one who do not speak your language.
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:wa:

As long it is not intentional, then I see nothing wrong with it.
 
Re: If a married person commits adultery and they many years later are accused of adu

Does anyone know ?
 
Re: If a married person commits adultery and they many years later are accused of adu

this is a tuff question...

I've read that one must hide his sins if they are not known, because exposing them would negate Allah's possible forgiveness of said sin, if one has repented.

The only sin that is unforgivable is shirk (polytheism)

I don't know how to answer your question, you need daleel from ulema bro.

Scimi
 
Re: Is being proud of your ethnic group allowed in Islam ?

CosmicPathos said:
ok asabiyya is of course wrong, but this article is a way above the top. How is preferring to talk in one's language in a group a sign of asabiiyah. Sorry, I wont speak in English just to accommodate those who dont speak my language in the group. After all, are we not being forced to learn English to succeed in professional workplace! By God it astonishes me, first you force us to speak your language i.e. English if we are to achieve some worldly success, and then if we get opportunity to speak ours in a group, you blame us for asabiyyah and excluding you from the convo!
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There's nothing wrong with the points made in the article. It's promoting consideration for others to curtail ethnic pride which causes people to feel distant from other muslims. Forget the professional workplace. It's requirements aren't based on Shariah. So it's not Islam telling us to speak English to succeed there. The key message given in the article is of consideration - of not making your brother feel excluded due to ethnic differences. It's not saying you must never speak in your own tongue if foreign-tongued brothers are present - that might not be possible if you don't know their language or your knowledge of their language is limited. The same may apply to them. So this is a complex issue as there can be so many people from different ethnic backgrounds in one gathering. It's only when a person deliberately ignores others, and makes no effort to make them feel welcome because they are not the same as them, that we can say they are truly affected by asabiyya. But who's saying communication begins and ends with verbal speech? The smallest gesture, be it a warm smile, a solid hand shake, or an invitation to sit next to you, can speak volumes and promote love in the hearts of the believers. That is the deeper message the article was hoping to portray.






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