U.S. mosques debate the use of English

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Or even better yet, just say it in Latin. Too bad the Catholics have drifted from the pure tongue ;-)



True, i used to speak latin in mass. I also learned Greek form being in an Greek Orthodox church.......latin was sooooo boring, and no one else uses it, like you said.
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Hey!! Latin is one of the most beautiful ancient languages I've ever heard and partly used.
 
Well, surely they should use English, as most people in America, Muslim or otherwise, speak that language.
 
Supreme said:
Well, surely they should use English, as most people in America, Muslim or otherwise, speak that language.
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But of course this is a result of colonial masters of the past. I desire that this changes and Arabic be a dominant language. Someday God willing.
 
mad_scientist said:
But of course this is a result of colonial masters of the past. I desire that this change and Arabic be a dominant language. Someday God willing.
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Oh, well as long as you desire it...

Hey, why not demand other incredibly (un)realistic desires for America's future- why stop at hoping Arabic will someday become the national language? How about the relinquishment of US nuclear missiles, or the economic system turning communist?
 
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I thought that the khutba was SUPPOSED to be in Arabic, Islamically?
 
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Oh, well as long as you desire it...

Hey, why not demand other incredibly (un)realistic desires for America's future- why stop at hoping Arabic will someday become the national language? How about the relinquishment of US nuclear missiles, or the economic system turning communist?
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well desiring something is the first steps towards attaining it. You have much to discover.

I have no problem with US economic system turning communist. Might be for the good of its people. Capitalism has already ruined people there.

I believe you are from the UK. Well your country already has socialized healthcare.
 
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@ Sis hayaa: Then how would you understand? Unless you had someone translate it, which would not be any different if the person said it in English in the first place..:/
 
mad_scientist said:
well desiring something is the first steps towards attaining it. You have much to discover.

I have no problem with US economic system turning communist. Might be for the good of its people. Capitalism has already ruined people there.
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Oh, don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with desiring things, however unrealistic. Desiring things brings hope, and hope is one of the best things in life.
 
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Oh, don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with desiring things, however unrealistic. Desiring things brings hope, and hope is one of the best things in life.
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Well what one man sees as unrealistic might be another's destiny. Anyways.
 
^^No one is answering any of my questions.

Please explain to me why I must hear it in Arabic when I don't speak it? How is it of any benefit to me if I don't know what the guy would be saying? Not just me but all those who don't know it. So basically every khutbah I listen to I'll never learn a thing. Unless I record it or someone else does and they translate. Meanwhile you could save time in the first place and do it in English? Or as you mentioned before, have both English and Arabic.

It's just the same if I pray and I don't comprehend any of the words but the difference here is that for salah it has to be in Arabic.
 
Light of Heaven said:
^^No one is answering any of my questions.

Please explain to me why I must hear it in Arabic when I don't speak it? How is it of any benefit to me if I don't know what the guy would be saying? Not just me but all those who don't know it. So basically every khutbah I listen to I'll never learn a thing. Unless I record it or someone else does and they translate. Meanwhile you could save time in the first place and do it in English? Or as you mentioned before, have both English and Arabic.

It's just the same if I pray and I don't comprehend any of the words but the difference here is that for salah it has to be in Arabic.
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Well I dont know .... Its like saying why should Islam be in Arabic when majority of the world did not understand Arabic ...
 
^^ Islam was revealed in Arabic at the time for a nation as were other revelations. The only difference here is that Islam is for mankind and not just Arabs.

What I'm asking is why it "must" be done when I won't have a clue as to what the guy is saying? If you're supposed to go to a khutbah to learn something and even boost your emaan, how will I gain that benefit when I haven't the slightest of a clue as to what the person is saying?

I don't want to keep repeating myself only to get a sarcastic answer. I really would like an answer. Everyone is saying it should be done in Arabic, fine. At least help me out and give me a reason as to why. I'm not committing a crime by asking am I?

Btw, I'm not asking because I want to counteract Islams stance on this. If I don't understand something, it bothers me so I ask. Once I get the proper answer, I stick to it like glue. Me questioning is what got me this far, other than Allahs guidance on me walhamdulillah.
 
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Light of Heaven said:
^^ Islam was revealed in Arabic at the time for a nation as were other revelations. The only difference here is that Islam is for mankind and not just Arabs.

What I'm asking is why it "must" be done when I won't have a clue as to what the guy is saying? If you're supposed to go to a khutbah to learn something and even boost your emaan, how will I gain that benefit when I haven't the slightest of a clue as to what the person is saying?

I don't want to keep repeating myself only to get a sarcastic answer. I really would like an answer. Everyone is saying it should be done in Arabic, fine. At least help me out and give me a reason as to why. I'm not committing a crime by asking am I?
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Well if most people in that masjid are Arabs, would you really want them to do it in some other language? I dont know.I understand your situation too but I guess you can start going to a masjid where its in English.
 
sister i dont know where to look to get you a hadith to verify this.

Its like the when you read salat, you have to read in arabic, end of,
 
mad_scientist said:
Well if most people in that masjid are Arabs, would you really want them to do it in some other language? I dont know.I understand your situation too but I guess you can start going to a masjid where its in English.
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Are you sure you understand what I'm saying? I don't think you do.

Everyone seems to be saying it's supposed to be in Arabic, so why are you even saying to go to a masjid with English?

The general thought of most people from what I see is that, it's supposed to be in Arabic therefore NO English and as per these Saudi scholars and foreign speakers.

I can't seem to put my thoughts across now after your statement. My masjid already does it in English and so I'm asking is it wrong to do it in English if it's supposed to be in Arabic? And if so, why? So I'm looking for a response to this question, based on what I said.
 
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sister i dont know where to look to get you a hadith to verify this.

Its like the when you read salat, you have to read in arabic, end of,
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End of, that's very nice of you :skeleton:

It's the same but then it isn't. This is why I'm asking. I don't know how else to get my point across.

The words in salaah you repeat EVERYDAY! Those words I can find out the meaning to and understand, which I have Alhamdulillah. The words in salaah are the same words you would say everyday, five times a day and they aren't that many. Khutbahs are different all the time. It's not like I can memorize one and know every other Khutbah. So it's NOT the same.

I wouldn't be getting ANYTHING out of that Khutbah if I haven't a DARN CLUE as to what he's saying. So I'm asking why is it a "must." I'm sure understanding it is more important than just hearing a bunch of words in Arabic? Like for the Qur'aan, you get the reward obviously for reading it, but what benefit is it there for you if you don't understand the Speech of Allah? I would get the reward of memorizing and reading it in Arabic, but I won't have a clue. And even for the Qur'aan, those words will remain written somewhere, the same way and eventually I'd learn Arabic for the sake of the Qur'aan. InshaAllah this is what I want to do. When I do happen to learn inshaAllah, down the line I could sit and listen to one being done in Arabic. But right now I don't know and so I gotta listen to one without understanding?

And it all boils down to this, have both English and Arabic as was mentioned.

Wallahi all I want is a proper answer. I'm losing my energy repeating, typing so much and thinking of ways to get my point across. It's like you guys are almost answering but then you're not. You're not wrong but I don't see a complete answer...

JazakAllah Khair in advance when someone does answer.

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