US Attacks syria

[Izyan]

You didn't answer my question. (also dubious about your statistics)

Was, all the turmoil, the destruction of the whole nation pretty much, and the hundreds of thousands of civilians killed - a good call by the US, for the removal of Sadam?

From a personal stand point yes. I feel safer with Saddam gone than when he was around although now I face a different challenge when I go since my family in Iraq now know that I'm an apostate

 

[Izyan]

You may wish to explain, what was achieved by going to Afghanistan.

Well they can't exactly have terror camps while we're there can they? There was an alqueda attack every 2 years on the US before we went in. There hasn't been one since.

 

[Izyan]

To be 100% honest with you, I wouldnt know what I have done, but i certainly dont think, barging in to a coutry where the vast majority didnt agree with what happened, and shooting, bombing and what not was the best solution, in reality Im sure there were plenty of other ways of dealing with it before the drastic action. two wrongs dont make a right, surely.

As for him not going to Iraq, thats good, but it still leaves Afganistan to wrry about.

We asked for Osama. They knew where he was and refused to turn him over. All they had to do was turn him in and there would have been no invasion.

 

[Izyan]

not stay occupiers of a country for more than 7 years. its time the soldiers pack their bags and go home.

Ok what would you have done?

 

[Izyan]

izyan why dont you go fight, you have a soldiers lady on this forum saying shes against it, and so is her man, and this is the majority view, hence if you support all these wars etc etc then really why dont you go to afghanistan and do Bush and Cheyneys dirty work.

alas I don't think I wouldn't make a good fighter after having surgery on my eye but I do seend the troops care packages. I write them letters and I visit them at the VA

 

[anatolian]

Ignorance is the biggest problem here in the US not hypocrisy. Typically we do not know much about the world beyond our own town and have no idea at all what our leaders in Washington DC do. For most of us Washington is just a place far away and we don't seem to care what they do, it has no direct effect on us, or so we fool ourselves into believing.

I believed the same thing until mr.bush junior was elected for twice after all such things revealed by also some americans like micheal moore...

But now,unfortunately, I think some different about the American nation.They seem don't care so much what their leaders are planning, what their soldiers are doing..etc They simply don't care what they are doing...They are playing the three monkeys...

by the way Barney samething applies to England.

 

[Izyan]

Very simple:

Extensively review it's foreign policy, and cease extending unconditional support for the Zionist regime in israel, which as everyone knows, is a de facto proxy for american hegemony in the Middle East.

So in other words Al Queda attacks the US and we're supposed to go oh well we had it coming I guess we should abandon Israel?

 

[barney]

i can easily go find several comments by westerners who applaud this, just come to youtube and click on some anti-Islamic videos and enjoy the comment section where many westerners boast about killing several Muslims in Iraq.

Ahh yes . You Tube.
I will refer you to the answers muslims give me when I look up youtube footage of muslim celebrations of beheadings and civilain slaughter by the thousand.

"You-Tube????!!!! Lol, LOLOLOLOLOLOL"

 

[The_Prince]

Ok what would you have done?

i wouldnt stay there for 7 years, and i wouldnt start bombing the neighboring country.

 

[The_Prince]

Ahh yes . You Tube.
I will refer you to the answers muslims give me when I look up youtube footage of muslim celebrations of beheadings and civilain slaughter by the thousand.

"You-Tube????!!!! Lol, LOLOLOLOLOLOL"

youtube yes youtube, you act like youtube is some small site, it is the 2nd highest site on the planet, and many of these videos recieve views of up to more than 50,000 views.

there are several anti-Islamic videos on youtube with over 100,000 to 800,000 views, and in those videos are filled with such comments, so again its not something small and insignificant.

 

[The_Prince]

Ahh yes . You Tube.
I will refer you to the answers muslims give me when I look up youtube footage of muslim celebrations of beheadings and civilain slaughter by the thousand.

"You-Tube????!!!! Lol, LOLOLOLOLOLOL"

this is the same youtube where a british bigot named pat condell is in the top 100 highest subs, and he recently got into richard dawkins orginzation and they are putting him out there. so yes youtube, it does have an impact.

 

[barney]

Yup, I subscribe to pats vids, but also to several muslim hate-ranters. Always good to get a balance of veiws. (Hence my presence here). I dont agree with everything he says, and I dont agree wth everything the hatespeakers and Jihadists say.

Pat may have plenty of subscribers, but if you actually listen to what he's saying, he dosnt hate muslims, he hates the religion....in the aspect that it affects his country.

Imagine 1.7 million christians freely preaching worshipping prolatarilyzing and very occassionaly, very very occassionally bombing trains in Saudi Arabia.

Might you not find a Saudi version of Pat as an extremist response?
Actually no. You wouldnt be able to imagine that...It couldnt happen. If One christian preaches in a muslim state, she will face deportation or a driveby shooting.

 

[SixTen]

Well they can't exactly have terror camps while we're there can they? There was an alqueda attack every 2 years on the US before we went in. There hasn't been one since.

And you have, concluded this is because, they invaded Afghanistan?

Lets see, if this invasion, really did affect Al Qaeda, what have they been up to recently?

:exhausted

Oct. 7, 2004 and July 23, 2005: Attacks on three Sinai resorts in Egypt killed a total of 97 people. The October 2004 attack in Taba and Ras ****an killed 34 people, including 11 Israelis. A triple-bombing in July in Sharm el-Sheik killed at least 63 people. Three groups, including two claiming links to Al Qaeda, have said they carried out the Sharm attacks.

— March 11, 2004: Attack on four commuter trains in Madrid, Spain, killed 191 people and injured more than 1,600. The bombings were blamed on Islamic militants with suspected ties to Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul said the two bombers had visited Afghanistan and investigators were looking for any Al Qaeda links. (makes you wonder, what US was doing eh)
— Aug. 5, 2003: A suicide bomber kills 12 people and wounds 150 at the J.W. Marriott hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia. Authorities blame Jemaah Islamiyah, a Southeast Asian group linked to Al Qaeda.

— May 16, 2003: Bomb attacks in Morocco kill at least 28 people and wound more than 100. The government blames "international terrorism," and local militant groups linked to Al Qaeda.

— May 12, 2003: Four explosions rock Riyadh, in an attack on compounds housing Americans, other Westerners and Saudis. The attack kills 35 people, including eight Americans. Al Qaeda's wing in Saudi Arabia, which now goes by the name Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, claimed responsibility for the attack.

— Dec. 30, 2002: A gunman kills three American missionaries at a Southern Baptist hospital in Yemen. Yemeni officials say the gunman, sentenced to death in May, belonged to an Al Qaeda cell.

— Nov. 28, 2002: Suicide bombers kill 12 people at an Israeli-owned beach hotel in Kenya and two missiles narrowly miss an airliner carrying Israelis.

— Oct. 12, 2002: Nearly 200 people, including seven Americans, are killed in bombings in a nightclub district of the Indonesian island of Bali. Authorities blame Jemaah Islamiyah.

To suddenly say, oh well U.S hasn't been attacked, with the invasion being the factor - is just lunacy, really. Ever wondered, what, all those billions of dollars in security went into? Hmm...

Well, I rest my case, Al Qaeda don't seem dead at all.

 

[The_Prince]

Yup, I subscribe to pats vids, but also to several muslim hate-ranters. Always good to get a balance of veiws. (Hence my presence here). I dont agree with everything he says, and I dont agree wth everything the hatespeakers and Jihadists say.

Pat may have plenty of subscribers, but if you actually listen to what he's saying, he dosnt hate muslims, he hates the religion....in the aspect that it affects his country.

Imagine 1.7 million christians freely preaching worshipping prolatarilyzing and very occassionaly, very very occassionally bombing trains in Saudi Arabia.

Might you not find a Saudi version of Pat as an extremist response?
Actually no. You wouldnt be able to imagine that...I couldnt happen. If One christian preaches in a muslim state, she will face deportation or a driveby shooting.

not everyone who subs to pats videos are there to see both sides, 95% of his subs are people who actually fully support him, hence the 5 stars and 4.5 stars his videos always recieve. and just read the lovely comments in his videos.

lol he doesnt hate Muslims, HA, yes calling all of Saudia mentally ill? lol and then he had to change his words. mocking Muslim women in the burqa, calling us mentally ill for having religous beliefs, and stupid as well. oh yes and characterising believers as dogs for the way we pray, yesssssssss thats not hating the people, give me a break!

and you show your ignorance, there are hundreds of Christian preachers in the Muslim world, in egypt there are up to 10 million coptics, and across the mid-east countries of syria, jordan, and lebanon are filled with churches and christian preachers. the same applies to Muslim nations around the world.

and you keep mentioning Saudia as if they represent 1.8 billion Muslims and the more than 50 other Muslim countries.

 

[The_Prince]

Yup, I subscribe to pats vids, but also to several muslim hate-ranters. Always good to get a balance of veiws. (Hence my presence here). I dont agree with everything he says, and I dont agree wth everything the hatespeakers and Jihadists say.

Pat may have plenty of subscribers, but if you actually listen to what he's saying, he dosnt hate muslims, he hates the religion....in the aspect that it affects his country.

Imagine 1.7 million christians freely preaching worshipping prolatarilyzing and very occassionaly, very very occassionally bombing trains in Saudi Arabia.

Might you not find a Saudi version of Pat as an extremist response?
Actually no. You wouldnt be able to imagine that...It couldnt happen. If One christian preaches in a muslim state, she will face deportation or a driveby shooting.

secondly your country England does EVERYTHING that pat condell is complaining about, only you guys dont see the irony.

 

[nocturnal]

So in other words Al Queda attacks the US and we're supposed to go oh well we had it coming I guess we should abandon Israel?

The reason the US was attacked on 9/11 and before that in East Africa was precisely because of it's stance towars Israel. You have a very ignorant, and simplistic notion of how things work in international affairs.

This is not as simple as Al Qa'ida vs US (and it's cronies). The entire international community has laid down firm preconditions for peace in the middle east which israel has routinely violated.

Cease settlements
Withdraw from all occupied territories to the 1967 borders
Lift the seiges, blockades, sanctions and military incursions
Guarantee the right of return from Palestinians who were uprooted and exiled.

The failure of Israel to observe these conditions is what spawned the likes of Al Qai'da, Hamas, Hezbollah etc. Oppression justifies resistance.

If the US called on Israel to lead the way in negotiations by implementing the aforementioned conditions, it may well have resulted in widespread international support and enhance american credibility, and also turned moderates in the Muslim world against the likes of Al Qa'ida.

It is the cataclysmic failure to do that, which has resulted in popularizing immensely the very same movements which the US today deems terrorist organizations.

 

[nocturnal]

From a personal stand point yes. I feel safer with Saddam gone than when he was around although now I face a different challenge when I go since my family in Iraq now know that I'm an apostate

Again, the campaigns which were undetaken by Saddam, were done so with the direct approval of the US, and with the military ordnance provided by the US administration during the Iran-Iraq war.

 

[nocturnal]

Deaths caused by other muslims. Coalition death toll is actually below Saddams death toll.

Not true, look at figures from Iraq Body Count. The occupation forces have been the principal protagonists in reducing Iraq to an archetypal failed state. There is international consensus about this. In Spain and Australia, it led to the ouster of two conservative governments. Here in the UK, there's increasing pressure to withdraw, and even in international institutions, there pressure is now mounting for an effective exit strategy. But is the Bush administration taking heed of that? no, in fact, they're keen to entrench themsevles by concluding rapidly, a status of forces agreement.

 

[nocturnal]

Im not saying that there aren't any rogue elements out there that inflict shocking harm on fellow Muslims, but by and large, even differences between Sunni and Shia are graudally being put aside as the realization becomes ever more apparent that only with the total ejection of US forces, can Iraq forge ahead with the task of economic, political and social reconstrution. Al Maliki is nothing more than an amenable lackey, just as Diem was in Vietnam.

It will only be a matter of time before a borad political movement encompassing all the various nationalist Iraqi movements are incorporated into it, and it will commence the task of much needed political reform, aimed at emancipating Iraq from the ruinous yoke of american neo-colonialism.

 

[wth1257]

This isn't some isolated incident. Syria has been a problem for a long time. If a group of jihadists cross the border and become involved in attacks on U.S. forces, those U.S. forces will retaliate. It's understandable that Syria is upset, but perhaps this will make them more proactive in sealing their border crossings.

The Iraqi government demands the US turn over all BlackWater soldiers accused of indiscriminate killing of Iraqi civilians. Rather than doing so the US continue to allow such soldiers to simply be fired and returned home. I response to this the Iraqi's sen an Iraqi army specail opps unit to infilitrate the US and capture the BlackWater soldiers. In the ensueing firefight 24 innocent US civilians are killed because they happen to live in the BW soldiers apartment building, 12 of which are children.

What would be the reaction of the US's civilian populace?

Because I'm willing to bet there would be hell to pay for this violate of our sovereignity and the deaths of our civilians.