US Attacks syria

[Izyan]

Ok, you mean all or nothing? Nobody can help anyone if US not allowed random attacks in the Middle East? Sometimes looking för massdistruction weapons and sometimes "the random enemy".

Korea is a sad history ever since 1950. Another war ending up in nothing but a deadlock and dead civilians cought in between two at that time leading superpowers. Dafur - history shows that oil can be a curse - this time it was China last time it was US that wanted oil supply keep on coming. China, US, USSR - big giants setting the agenda, telling "us" who the enemy is and the consequence is a growing misdirected hate and fear against all muslims around the world, the faceless enemy, that was invented when US went off to "war against terrorism".

At the same time many people die - and not "only" the "guilty" ones.

As long as power, money, resources, revenge, hate, fear and many other things has direct influence in the UN/US political military agenda - instead of finding peace or strive to unify shattered people or fight for what everyone concider to be a just cause - then meaningless never ending wars will keep on coming around the world. That´s our problem.

Well how can you tell the good conflicts from the bad conflicts? I say it's nothing or nothing. I'm tired of the US doing all the heavy lifting and getting all the grief. I say we go back to the Monroe Doctrine and let the rest of the world settle their own problems.

 

[The_Prince]

You don't know many christians do you? We don't hold any land sacred in the same terms as muslims or Jews do. you can destroy every church you see and we would still congregate and be merry. Even Jesus destroyed the church when he died. Sure we like the Holy Land as a link to our spirtuality but it don't make us who we are. It's just bricks and mortar no one else. We see the Israeli/Palestinian conflict more as a right for survival than in biblical terms. Not to say there aren't loons out there like Pat Robertson but they are in the minority

i dont think anyone has to really destroy your Churches, you guys are doing a fine job of closing them down by yourselves due to low attendances, merryyyyy indeed.

 

[Keltoi]

i dont think anyone has to really destroy your Churches, you guys are doing a fine job of closing them down by yourselves due to low attendances, merryyyyy indeed.

Better to have five people of genuine faith than a million who simply "go to church".

 

[nocturnal]

You don't know many christians do you? We don't hold any land sacred in the same terms as muslims or Jews do. you can destroy every church you see and we would still congregate and be merry. Even Jesus destroyed the church when he died. Sure we like the Holy Land as a link to our spirtuality but it don't make us who we are. It's just bricks and mortar no one else. We see the Israeli/Palestinian conflict more as a right for survival than in biblical terms. Not to say there aren't loons out there like Pat Robertson but they are in the minority

That is the problem. Al Quds to us is so much more than just bricks and mortar. It is the sister of Makkah and Medinah, from were the prophet(saw) ascended to the heavens. If you believe that the US needs to stop intefering in the affairs of other nations, then thats finally something we can agree upon. It is what we, collectively Muslims, and millions of people all over the world too have been stating.

But the US will never cease it's destructive, interventionist policies in the world. This is the intrinsic nature of the American body politic. Palestine must be and Insha'Allah will be emancipated. You need to stop percieveing the the US government as a pacifist, honest broker in international affairs. Everywhere it has muddled, it has wrought havoc and destruction on unprecedented levels. Somalia, Vietnam, Iraq, Aghanistan, Nicaragua and also in it's support for dictators who massacre their own populations. This is particularly relevant to South America and Africa.

 

[Izyan]

That is the problem. Al Quds to us is so much more than just bricks and mortar. It is the sister of Makkah and Medinah, from were the prophet(saw) ascended to the heavens. If you believe that the US needs to stop intefering in the affairs of other nations, then thats finally something we can agree upon. It is what we, collectively Muslims, and millions of people all over the world too have been stating.

But the US will never cease it's destructive, interventionist policies in the world. This is the intrinsic nature of the American body politic. Palestine must be and Insha'Allah will be emancipated. You need to stop percieveing the the US government as a pacifist, honest broker in international affairs. Everywhere it has muddled, it has wrought havoc and destruction on unprecedented levels. Somalia, Vietnam, Iraq, Aghanistan, Nicaragua and also in it's support for dictators who massacre their own populations. This is particularly relevant to South America and Africa.

Germany, France, Italy, Japan, SKorea, Serbia, Phillipines. Yup nothing but kaos and havok there.

 

[Izyan]

i dont think anyone has to really destroy your Churches, you guys are doing a fine job of closing them down by yourselves due to low attendances, merryyyyy indeed.

And how many muslims are muslims just in name? There are tons of them. I know I used to be one of them

 

[aamirsaab]

... I say we go back to the Monroe Doctrine and let the rest of the world settle their own problems.

In addition to that, stop all funding of Israel and I'm in total agreement. Get out of other peoples' backyard an' all that!

 

[Anette]

That is a very utopian view. If only the U.S. would listen to everyone else about what is important for our security the world would progress into an earthly paradise. Find a just cause that everyone would agree on? I'm afraid that is quite impossible. The U.N. is a broken body. Each country is aiming for their own long-term interests. They couldn't agree on the color of the sky.

Power, money, resources, revenge, hate, and fear are not U.S. or U.N. motivations, they are the motivations of every nation out there. Both enemies and allies.

I´m curious, how can an US attack in Syria in any way be a threath against US security? Maybe a threath against what US has decided is their interest but not against US as a nation. US walk all over other countries borders like they have swinging doors, particular if the countries are placed in the Middle East. None so ever respect towards other countries sovereign. US made a hostile act against an other country in the name of US security, and the rest of the world should be happy about it? Maybe our political leaders will not condemn US but most of the people in different countries will. UN is a broken body bacause US decided that they are to good to be a part of the rest of the world. It is US way or the high way, and it will cost US a lot of respect I´m afraid.

 

[Anette]

Well how can you tell the good conflicts from the bad conflicts? I say it's nothing or nothing. I'm tired of the US doing all the heavy lifting and getting all the grief. I say we go back to the Monroe Doctrine and let the rest of the world settle their own problems.

Good conflict from the bad? Is there any good conflicts? If UN says no and US says yes - it is presumably a bad conflict.

I´m sorry, I do not think that US "doing all the heavy lifting" US are only lifting if they think it will benefit US somehow. The White Mans Burden has rosen in another shape. Teach the unciviliced to be civiliced - isn´t it a part of the Roosevelt Corollary, also talking about the worlds international police power?

In our history books the Monroe Doctrine is said to be a way for US to justify "interventions" in South- and Central America.

 

[Izyan]

Good conflict from the bad? Is there any good conflicts? If UN says no and US says yes - it is presumably a bad conflict.

I´m sorry, I do not think that US "doing all the heavy lifting" US are only lifting if they think it will benefit US somehow. The White Mans Burden has rosen in another shape. Teach the unciviliced to be civiliced - isn´t it a part of the Roosevelt Corollary, also talking about the worlds international police power?

In our history books the Monroe Doctrine is said to be a way for US to justify "interventions" in South- and Central America.

So the conflist is only good if the UN ok's it? Stopping Milosevich must have been bad since it wasn't approved by the UN. The Monroe Doctrine was an effort to keep Europe out of our affairs after the war of 1812.

 

[Keltoi]

I´m curious, how can an US attack in Syria in any way be a threath against US security? Maybe a threath against what US has decided is their interest but not against US as a nation. US walk all over other countries borders like they have swinging doors, particular if the countries are placed in the Middle East. None so ever respect towards other countries sovereign. US made a hostile act against an other country in the name of US security, and the rest of the world should be happy about it? Maybe our political leaders will not condemn US but most of the people in different countries will. UN is a broken body bacause US decided that they are to good to be a part of the rest of the world. It is US way or the high way, and it will cost US a lot of respect I´m afraid.

This issue wasn't about American mainland security, it was about Iraqi security. And of course the security of military forces in the Iraqi theater. The jihadists who cross the border from Syria are by and large intent upon committing terrorism against Iraqi civilians to destabilize the government.

As for the U.N., it is a broken body because of the veto power granted any member of the Security Council. It is broken because the only muscle the U.N. has is American and British military power. I will add Australia, Germany, etc, etc, for Coalition purposes. It is a paper tiger.

 

[Muezzin]

As Arnie might say:

'Get to da Topic!'

 

[nocturnal]

Germany, France, Italy, Japan, SKorea, Serbia, Phillipines. Yup nothing but kaos and havok there.

Don't look at the industrialized nations that the US has no option but to deal with. Look at individual cases in the Middle East and in Africa. You know what i mean, quit trying to play dumb.

 

[nocturnal]

So the conflist is only good if the UN ok's it? Stopping Milosevich must have been bad since it wasn't approved by the UN. The Monroe Doctrine was an effort to keep Europe out of our affairs after the war of 1812.

If you're ranting about the 1999 Nato bombing, then realize that things took a turn for the worst once the bombing had begun, and in it's aftermath.

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20000314.htm

 

[Izyan]

If you're ranting about the 1999 Nato bombing, then realize that things took a turn for the worst once the bombing had begun, and in it's aftermath.

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20000314.htm

Bringing up Chomsky is like me bringing up Daniel Pipes

 

[The_Prince]

Bringing up Chomsky is like me bringing up Daniel Pipes

lol daniel pipes is nothing close to chomsky. daniel pipes has called for cleansing of villages etc. get real.

 

[coddles76]

Destabilize the government.

LOL once again think outside the box you live in. The Government?? What Government. Oh your talking about the government that was invaded and installed with puppets that fulfill the American and Jewish Agenda all under the disguise of Terrorism and WMD (Which were never found). Now I know which government your talking about.
All borders were secure and living peacefully until the American Aggressors illegally invaded a soverign Country and decided to rule, stealing its precious resources and kill there civilians. Its people like you that continue to corrupt this world we live in. Disgusting!

 

[Keltoi]

LOL once again think outside the box you live in. The Government?? What Government. Oh your talking about the government that was invaded and installed with puppets that fulfill the American and Jewish Agenda all under the disguise of Terrorism and WMD (Which were never found). Now I know which government your talking about.
All borders were secure and living peacefully until the American Aggressors illegally invaded a soverign Country and decided to rule, stealing its precious resources and kill there civilians. Its people like you that continue to corrupt this world we live in. Disgusting!

A puppet regime? I suppose it is a puppet regime of the Americans and Jews that the Iraqi people risked their lives to come out and vote for. ^o)

 

[barney]

A puppet regime? I suppose it is a puppet regime of the Americans and Jews that the Iraqi people risked their lives to come out and vote for. ^o)

Nearly 80% turnout despite the risk of being bombed at the polling station as I recall.

 

[aamirsaab]

Nearly 80% turnout despite the risk of being bombed at the polling station as I recall.

They had little choice: no government (where mass rape, murder and the like will occur on a daily basis due to lack of security and order - it'd be survival of the fitest in its most purest form - which is actually disgusting) or A government, which would offer at the least some security to a country that has just been invaded, and with plenty of it's population on the brink of total war. In that predicament, I wouldn't hesitate to vote for any government -- in fact, I'd be there as soon as humanly possible!

Of course, I'd rather that Iraq wasn't invaded in the first place but whatever.