It's not about whom i bring up, but the evidence he puts forward that corroborates the fact that the atrocities took place right after observers were pulled out and the initial NATO bombing campaign commenced.
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It's not about whom i bring up, but the evidence he puts forward that corroborates the fact that the atrocities took place right after observers were pulled out and the initial NATO bombing campaign commenced.
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No outrage from other muslim nations, why is that do you think?
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1) they don't know
2) they don't care
Either way, it's bad
How can they not know! - It's all over the joint. It's scary the ummah (as adivised) Isn't working together. Bizzare if you ask me.
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Perhaps, but I don't know much about the news coverage outside of the UK - maybe they do know, maybe they don't.
In actuality, this point has been raised on many occasions at our local masjids, talks etc for quite some time now. I wish I knew how to unite the Ummah (I don't think I'm alone in this regard either), but the reality is that I don't. I'd say its more depressing than bizzare though.
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The people that you are talking about, are those who voted in the aftermath of the invasion, and who cast their votes in the false belief that the parties they were voting for were independent and free of US patronage. Al Maliki himself ran on pledges to speeden up the American withdrawal. We now know that this was a deceptive expedient, and the proof is in the mass protests that we see on a near daily basis from a cross-section of Iraqi society.
Exactly they were voting for the American and Jews who now occupy and run the country, Illegally!!! I don't suppose you are thinking that people were actually voting for an iraqi Government. No matter who they voted for, the country is occupied and run by the U.S, Once again Illegally!!! So no matter what you witnessed in the media (Cause I know thats were you form your mentality), It was all propaganda to make us all think they were actually helping the poor Iraqi's who were living poorly before the Americans invaded. Illegally!!! They are actually worse off under the American Government because they don't care about the Iraqi people. They are there for greed and to fulfill the jewish agenda, but thats right you can't think outside that square you live in, so you probably wouldn't understand that.
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Although this is drifting into a debate on Iraq, I'll pull one single incident up as an example. Hundreds of thousands of similar examples are easy to find.
An Iraqi policeman was drunk out of his face and cycling down the street firing his pistol at anything. A PWRR British soldier arrived and disarmed him. Shamefaced he wobbled off home. The British patrol radioed in and was told to return the pistol immediatly as taking it was undermining the authority of the Iraqi police. They did so and he carried on down the road firing and laughing at the soldiers incapacity to act.
Make of this what you will.
An Iraqi policeman was drunk out of his face and cycling down the street firing his pistol at anything. A PWRR British soldier arrived and disarmed him. Shamefaced he wobbled off home. The British patrol radioed in and was told to return the pistol immediatly as taking it was undermining the authority of the Iraqi police. They did so and he carried on down the road firing and laughing at the soldiers incapacity to act.
Make of this what you will.
Thats because as I said they are not there to secure the people. They couldn't care less about what the people do to themselves. They are not there to restore law and order. They are there to secure the resources and rule the country, not the people. They don't care how many they kill, or are killed from within.
because the ummah is not governed by the ummah, but by oppressive mostly western backed families and dictators.
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But the people are power. If they all rise, the Government can do nothing. It seems, the people are more absorbed in their own cushy lives. They don't seem to care, but show a little lip service now and then and then continue in their own petty lives. That's sad.
Moderate countries like Turkey should appose such actions, but like you say, mammon is much more luring than the welfare of other beings.
In reality you should have a UNI -United Nations of Islam. THis is an army to use only in times as these. To topple radical, evil regimes, and also stop invasions by others (USA/UK etc) but what they must not do is mis-use this power to say, invade nations on crusades. Considering you have over a 100 countries that have muslims as populace. Oh well, it's not going to happen.
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This was so they could elect an Iraqi regime, and that the invaders would leave ASAP! This has not happened, and this is why you see protests since.
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do you remember what Indira did to Khalsa when they once rose up to protect The Golden Temple from hindus?
Same and worse happens to Muslims every day when they try to go back to fundamentals of Islam, Every time some one tries to discard the fake religion that is being spread, he ends up in jail or dead or exiled.
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And yet it was the same organisation that paid and trained the police. By training I mean to veiw their job as something other than bribing and stealing from the people they were supposed to protect. The actual job of a policeman rather than the standard Iraqi interpretation of a state paid bandit.
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I think you seriously need to look at some polls taken at different points since the liberation. Find some Arab organisation polls since any western poll will obviously be best mates with mossad.
In short, very very few Iraqis want the coalition, who is there on behalf of the legally elected and democratically selected to pile onto their planes and get out right now. Within a year the number rises, when there is security and thats everyone including the US.
So thats easy then. Fastest way to get the US out is to stop blowing up kids in marketplaces and Iraqi soldiers who will be providing security.
The Insurgants dont want the US to leave.
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I totally agree with this, the bigger regional powers want the US to be bogged down, any liberator of Iraq against the crusading forces simply need to lay down their weapons and try to get a job instead. The US would pull out quick sharp and the aim is achieved.
Using violence against the crusaders, is only a tactic to actually keep them their.
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Yet it's so effective. You can shroud a campaign as a rightious fight against the evil kaffirs(LOL) Kill easy targets like families sitting at home, blow up the power lines that the coalition fix, shut down the local businesses that the coalitions pay for and set up, shoot women in the head for not wearing Hijab and you will still get unqualified support from the ummah worldwide, as we can see here, for their actions.
All aided and abbetted by the media from Al Jazerah to the BBC.
I watch Iraqi TV for my info, theres plenty of anti US anti insurgant stations out there. Take a look.
All aided and abbetted by the media from Al Jazerah to the BBC.
I watch Iraqi TV for my info, theres plenty of anti US anti insurgant stations out there. Take a look.
barney, stop living in clouds, sure there are groups that target civilians, but there are groups that only target the occupation as well.
if there were no resistance, the US would've stayed for half a century... just like they do now in japan and south Korea. and please don't say that's because of the north, the north-south problem is not resolved as of yet because of the US...
one of the reasons for wanting to pullout has been casualties-despite how meager they are compared to Vietnam and so on. now you been brit, I can understand your feelings, but do you seriously think brits would be silent and lay down arms and get jobs so the say, germans would leave, that after the germans besiege the country for a decade, destroy most infrastructure, topple the government and destabilize the country:?
but the issue here is the raid on Syria, and as such, I blame the baathist regime there for all and every the misery the syrians are facing.
if they actually had wanted to protect their sovereignty and their civilians they could've shot down the american choppers, in fact there was a syrian airbase a few miles away from where the incident occurred...
the syrian regime is one of the most brutal and dictatorial the muslim world has seen, from the massacre of Hama, to the abuse in Sedneya, the syrians have been living one of the bleakest chapters of their history...
if there were no resistance, the US would've stayed for half a century... just like they do now in japan and south Korea. and please don't say that's because of the north, the north-south problem is not resolved as of yet because of the US...
one of the reasons for wanting to pullout has been casualties-despite how meager they are compared to Vietnam and so on. now you been brit, I can understand your feelings, but do you seriously think brits would be silent and lay down arms and get jobs so the say, germans would leave, that after the germans besiege the country for a decade, destroy most infrastructure, topple the government and destabilize the country:?
but the issue here is the raid on Syria, and as such, I blame the baathist regime there for all and every the misery the syrians are facing.
if they actually had wanted to protect their sovereignty and their civilians they could've shot down the american choppers, in fact there was a syrian airbase a few miles away from where the incident occurred...
the syrian regime is one of the most brutal and dictatorial the muslim world has seen, from the massacre of Hama, to the abuse in Sedneya, the syrians have been living one of the bleakest chapters of their history...
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