Abdul Aziz said:
is it the chronological order of the preservation of the Quranic text like this?
1.Abu Bakr compiled the Quran(Did some of these Qurans contain the stoning verse?)
2.Umar then inserted the stoning verse
3.Uthman then destroyed the Qurans containing the stoning verse and kept a single standard copy.
please correct me if there are mistakes which is most likely and also plz elaborate on each of the points if you want to.Thanks.
EDIT~If not for the stoning verse why did Uhtman burn all those Qurans?
Did you read the Qur'an what it says, and how would you
explain the following Ayat?
The Arrangement of Glorious Qur’aan
إِنَّ عَلَيْنَا جَمْعَهُ وَقُرْآنَهُ
'INNA cALAY -NAA JAMc -HU WA- QUR'AAN -HU
It is for Us to collect it and to give you (O Muhammad SAW) the ability to recite it (the Qur'an), [Glorious Quraan 75:17]
The word *JAMAc* in the above verse implies both collection and arrangement, which is a process quite different from the revelation. It is not true that the verses and chapters of Glorious Qur’aan were arranged after the death of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) by someone else, or that they were arranged in the order of their lengths; the longest coming first and shortest last. It is also wrong to say that within the chapters the passages are joined together without any regard to either chronology of revelation or similarity of subject, and that most heterogeneous materials are put together without any regard to logical sequence.
The whole Glorious Qur’aan, complete in every aspect, was available in the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) [Katani 2:384]. The Companions of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) say, ‘We used to write down the Glorious Qur’aan in the time of the Rasool Allaah (SAW)' [Hakim: Al-Mustadrik, 2:611]. The arrangement of chapters and verses in the copies of the Glorious Qur’aan at present in our hands does not follow the chronological order of revelation and their arrangement is TAUQIF i.e. affected by the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) under the GUIDANCE of Divine revelation (Qur’aan 75:17-18].
'INNA cALAY -NAA JAMc -HU WA- QUR'AAN -HU...FA- 'IDHAA QARA'NAA -HU FA- ITTABIc QUR'AAN -HU
It is for Us to collect it and to give you (O Muhammad SAW) the ability to recite it (the Qur'an),...And when We have recited it to you [O Muhammad SAW through Jibrael (Gabriel)], then follow you its (the Qur'an's) recital. [Glorious Qur’aan 75:17-18]
It is also said in the Glorious Qur’aan:
WA- QAALA 'ALLADHENA KAFARO LAW-LAA NUZZILA cALAY -HI AL- QUR'AAN JUMLAH WAAH.IDAH KA- DHAALIKA LI- NUTHABBIT BI- -HI FU'AAD -KA WA- RATTALNAA -HU TARTEL(AN)
And those who disbelieve say: "Why is not the Qur'an revealed to him all at once?" Thus (it is sent down in parts), that We may strengthen your heart thereby. And We have revealed it to you gradually, in stages. (It was revealed to the Prophet SAW in 23 years.).
The concise phrase "RATTALNAA -HU TARTEL(AN)" in the above verse comprises the parallel concept of putting the component parts of a thing together and arranging them as well, as well as endowing it with inner consistency. The word "TARTIL" refers to the measured diction and the thoughtful manner in which it ought to be enunciated. Thus, from the very first, it was meant that the verses and the chapters of the Glorious Qur’aan should be arranged in an order different from that of their revelation, otherwise the revelation and the collection and arrangement would not have been described as two different things.
There was an arrangement followed by the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and we know that many Companions of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) committed the Glorious Qur’aan to memory and could recite it in the recognized orders as followed by the Prophet (SAW). This shows that there was a connection of its verses and chapters, and there was a recognized division of the Book and a fixed form and sequence. The chapters were distinctly marked out and their number was determined. Without a known order and sequence of verses, the Glorious Qur’aan could not have been committed to the memory.
(1)
Putting into Writing:
The first and the most important point, which assisted in the preservation of the text of Glorious Qur’aan, is that its every verse was put into writing in the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW), BEFORE HIS OWN EYES. The Glorious Qur’aan itself furnishes abundant evidence that it existed in a written form. Again and again the Divine Writ calls itself a Kitab (Book), which means a Book or writing, which is complete in itself. The application of the word Book to the Glorious Qur’aan was destined, from the very beginning, to be a complete Book. The Glorious Qur’aan is also designated as "Suhuf"
The Glorious Qur’aan, Sura: 80. 'Abasa Verse: 13
فِي صُحُفٍ مُكَرَّمَةٍ
(It is) in Records held (greatly) in honour (Al-Lauh Al-Mahfûz),
* Also means written pages. There are many other references in the Glorious Quraan showing that it will exist in a written form. It is said:
The Glorious Qur’aan, Sura: 52. Tuur Verses: 2-3
وَكِتَابٍ مَسْطُورٍ
And by a Book Inscribed
فِي رَقٍّ مَنْشُورٍ
In parchment unrolled.
* There are also testimonies of the enemies of the Qur’aan that Qur’aan was reduced to writing such as:
The Glorious Qur’aan, Sura: 25. Furqaan Verse: 5
وَقَالُوا أَسَاطِيرُ الْأَوَّلِينَ اكْتَتَبَهَا فَهِيَ تُمْلَى عَلَيْهِ بُكْرَةً وَأَصِيلًا
And they say: "Tales of the ancients, which he has written down: and they are dictated to him morning and afternoon."
* There is a lot of historical evidence concerning the documentation of the Glorious Qur’aan. There are numerous anecdotes showing that when the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) received a revelation it was immediately put into writing. The general practice is described by Osmaan (RA), he says: "It was customary with the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) that when any verse of the Glorious Qur’aan was revealed he called one of those persons who used to write Glorious Qur’aan and said, "Write these verses in the chapter where such and such verse occur".' [Abu Dawud 2:123]. Zaid bin Thabit (RA) who was a scribe of the Prophet (SAW) and was especially appointed for writing down the revelation said, 'whenever a revelation descended the Prophet (SAW) called me and I went to him holding my pen and paper. He dictated to me first and then heard it from me and in case something was left, or some mistake was found, it was set right there and then, and afterwards it was published' {Mujam al_Zawaid}. This shows that the Glorious Qur’aan was presented to the public after it was duly written down.
Glorious Qur’aan Verses 80:13-16
فِي صُحُفٍ مُكَرَّمَةٍ (13) مَرْفُوعَةٍ مُطَهَّرَةٍ (14) بِأَيْدِي سَفَرَةٍ (15) كِرَامٍ بَرَرَةٍ (16)
(It is) in Records held (greatly) in honour (Al-Lauh Al-Mahfûz), Exalted (in dignity), purified, In the hands of scribes. Honourable and obedient.
* (2) Memorizing of the Glorious Qur’aan
The memorizing of the Glorious Qur’aan has also assisted in the preservation of its text. Whenever any portion of the Glorious Qur’aan was revealed to the Prophet (SAW), he committed it to memory and continuously recited it from one end to the other. Thus, he always carried the whole of the revealed Qur’aan in his memory. The Prophet (SAW) used to stress the merit of committing the Glorious Qur’aan to memory so much that he said that if a person committed the Qur’aan to memory he would be saved from the torment of Hell. When he made this announcement, a large number of his Companions began to commit the Glorious Qur’aan to memory. The Prophet (SAW) also took pains to supervise the recitation of the Glorious Qur’aan and was anxious to see that no errors crept into the process.
One should also know the
definition of the Qur'an, wihtout that one will remain in the dark always.
Abdul Aziz said:
EDIT~If not for the stoning verse why did Uhtman burn all those Qurans?
Abdul Aziz, the irony of your questions is always that you sound exactly like an inquisitor Christian missionary while mimicking same false claims/questions. I have learned that you are from Bangla Desh, I wonder if there is anyone in your country who can edcuate you about Qur'anic sciences and Islamic sciences? It is pity to see you wonderning all over Internet for so-called answers. As a parent myself, I also wonder why your parent did not teach you about Islam and Qur'an?
Nevertheless, I like you to present the evidence that Uhtman burned all Qur'ans allegedly? I suppose you have the supporting facts to establish this claim you have made?
I wish I could believe that you are simply seeking the answer instead of being an inquisitor attempting to create doubts in the minds of naive. Because countless leanred people have answered these questions and have reufted these false claims many times on the Internet. This also include the UI website whose forum you wanted me to join. So why thoese responses and facts are not acceptable to you and you still feel the need to mimick Christians claims based on disinformation?
Preacher
