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A question in the 'Questions for Christians thread' (which is not meant for discussion) has prompted me to post this.

Muslims seem to struggle with the concept of God divinely causing Mary (Jesus' mother) to become pregnant.
My guess is the true tension behind this, is not God's power or ability to overrule the laws of nature to do so (after all, Muslims believe God to be all-powerful, don't they?) - but the thought of God fathering his son.
At heart (I guess), this is a trinity issue.

I am sure we have debated the trinity elsewhere, so I don't really want to go there again.

Rather I want to unpluck, how the Islamic and Christian views of Jesus' virgin birth differ.

So, really, I am reversing the question to my Muslim brothers and sisters:

How do Muslims believe, Jesus' conception came about? Muslims also believe in the virgin birth, don't they?

Peace. :thankyou:
 
glo said:
How do Muslims believe, Jesus' conception came about? Muslims also believe in the virgin birth, don't they?
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this question always make me bored. why christian always reply and reply all over again, infact muslim had answer this question.

we believe virgin birth, but we dont believe in jesus.. Jesus is not ISA Al MAsih which is our prophet. He is somebody else !!!

our prophet ISA Al MAsih is under ALLAH SWT protection. And ISA Al MAsih never been in crucified.
 
dianputri said:
this question always make me bored. why christian always reply and reply all over again, infact muslim had answer this question.

we believe virgin birth, but we dont believe in jesus.. Jesus is not ISA Al MAsih which is our prophet. He is somebody else !!!

our prophet ISA Al MAsih is under ALLAH SWT protection. And ISA Al MAsih never been in crucified.
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Why are you reacting like this?
In fact, if this question bores you so, why react at all? :?

Jesus is not Isa, your prophet? You are the first Muslim I have ever heard that say! Can you expand on that?

For the sake of the original question I asked, please note that I made no reference to whether Jesus is the son of God - in fact, I clearly requested that this should not become a trinity issue.

My question is this:
How did Isa's conception come about? Muslims also believe in the virgin birth, don't they?
 (For clarification I have rephrased the question) :)

Thanks. :thankyou:
 
Okay ^ well that is the difference between what the Christians and muslims believe. To take this into a discussion into refutation will be at anyone's risk.


Christians have their own reasons just like the muslims do.



GloMuslims said:
seem to struggle with the concept of God divinely causing Mary (Jesus' mother) to become pregnant.
My guess is the true tension behind this, is not God's power or ability to overrule the laws of nature to do so (after all, Muslims believe God to be all-powerful, don't they?) -
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If it is not God's power to overrule the laws of nature then are you saying that no one knows how this happend? A valid statement or reason is not written in the bible of how Jesus came from Mary, but yet she was still a virgin? Sorry, but this doesn't make sense to me.

For instance-In the Quran there is a reason for all of the morals and beliefs that we abide by and it's ALL written down in the the Quran.

but the thought of God fathering his son
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We never believed that Jesus is "God's son. Jesus was simply one of the Prophets of God. He was wasn't a messiah or anything.That is another contradiction between the muslims and Christians that I have just stated above.
 
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Peace Glo,

I think the translation of Isa's(PBUH) Birth would be the best explanation. This is from Surah: Maryam, (Mary) Translation by Adullah Yusuf Ali,

19:16. Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East. S P C

19:17. She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects. S P
19:18. She said: "I seek refuge from thee to (Allah) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear Allah." S P
19:19. He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son. S P C

19:20. She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?" S P
19:21. He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (so) decreed." S P C
19:22. So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place. S P C

19:23. And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!" S P C
19:24. But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): "Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee; S P
19:25. "And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee. S P C

19:26. "So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to (Allah) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into not talk with any human being'" S
P C
19:27. At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought! S P C

19:28. "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" S P C
19:29. But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?" S P C
19:30. He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet; S P

19:31. "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live; S P C
19:32. "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable; S P C
19:33. "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"! S P C

19:34. Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. S P C


Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation
 
Halima said:
Okay ^ well that is the difference between what the Christians and muslims believe. To take this into a discussion into refutation will be at anyone's risk.


Christians have their own reasons just like the muslims do.



If it is not God's power to overrule the laws of nature then are you saying that no one knows how this happend? A valid statement or reason is not written in the bible of how Jesus came from Mary, but yet she was still a virgin? Sorry, but this doesn't make sense to me.

For instance-In the Quran there is a reason for all of the morals and beliefs that we abide by and it's ALL written down in the the Quran.



We never believed that Jesus is "God's son. Jesus was simply one of the Prophets of God. He was wasn't a messiah or anything.That is another contradiction between the muslims and Christians that I have just stated above.
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Hhhmmmm ...
can somebody just please answer my original question:
How did Isa's conception come about? Muslims also believe in the virgin birth, don't they?
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:rollseyes

Peace
 
Peace Glo,

I thought I answered it above. See 19:21.

Allah (swt) decreed it to be and it was.
 
Ahhhh ... thank you Woodrow! :statisfie

The account of the angel appearing to Mary to announce the pregnancy is not dissimilar to the Bible account, don't you think?

I love this bit:
"Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me" That's so true, isn't it? :statisfie

Peace.
 
A'afwan (Your Welcome ) Glo

I agree Glo, the announcement by the Angel is virtualy identical with the Biblical account.

The entire Surah 19 (Maryam) tells much about Isa (PBUH) and Mary (Maryam). Few people realise that Mary is mentioned more often in the Qur'an then in the Bible. Isa is mentioned just about as many times, as He is in the Bible. All of the miracles are mentioned in the Qur'an along with some not mentioned in the Bible.
 
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glo said:
Ahhhh ... thank you Woodrow! :statisfie

The account of the angel appearing to Mary to announce the pregnancy is not dissimilar to the Bible account, don't you think?

I love this bit:
"Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me" That's so true, isn't it? :statisfie

Peace.
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yes..however..we do not believe that God is the father of Jesus as to be the father of someone mortal would mean interaction with the child's mortal mother and we believe that thought abhorable (sp?) and that God is above that. God created Isa the way He created the world..He said 'Be' and it was.
 
dianputri said:
this question always make me bored. why christian always reply and reply all over again, infact muslim had answer this question.

our prophet ISA Al MAsih is under ALLAH SWT protection. And ISA Al MAsih never been in crucified.
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we believe virgin birth, but we dont believe in jesus.. Jesus is not ISA Al MAsih which is our prophet. He is somebody else !!



This is strange.I've never heard muslims say they dont believe in Jesus.Whats the point you're trying to make ?no muslim is a complete muslim until he believes in all the prophets of ALLAH. Your statement can mislead others.
 
^^^ Isa IS Jesus. Christians believe he was God and the son of God but muslims don't believe that. It doesn't make Jesus and Isa different people. Jesus in hebrew is translated into Isau. In arabic Isa.
 
Peace to all Bro and Sis

We as a Muslim still beleive in Jesus/Isa (PBUH) until the crucifixion on him was occured.We never beleive the crucifixcion as it denied in this Verse:

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Holy Quran 4:157

Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
Holy Quran 4:158

And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-
Holy Quran 4:159

:thankyou:
 
Man it is so cool to jus imagine it, all of us are special in the sense taht we was created through a method of G-ds but boy JEsus peace be upon him, that musta been such a cool thing.

Man I so have to love Mary peace be upon her. She's so cool.

Peace
 
For me it's possible to accept the virgin birth because we can accept Adam who was born without parents and Eve was born without a mother.
 
LUCIFER said:
Jesus was the son of an angel called gabrielle not god.
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Not tryin to be sarcastic, but where did you hear that? I have heard many things, but this is the first time I ever heard that an Angel could be the father of anybody.
 
Woodrow said:
Not tryin to be sarcastic, but where did you hear that? I have heard many things, but this is the first time I ever heard that an Angel could be the father of anybody.
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Trust me I know I am quite familiar with angels mwahhahahahah ;D

But seriously you say that an angel cant be the father of someone but god can? no its simple angel gabrielle caused to be born jesus in mary, angels have powers and didn't the angel tell mary she would have a baby?.
 

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