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Well I'm no expert on interpreting the qur'an and I really don't know what's teh case here. But I would guess the "not unchast" referred to her period, and the "no man touching" refers to recently. She was married afterall.
Anyway, guessing is dangerous, so don't take my word for it, I'm just thinking out loud here.
 
We can speculate all we want, we won't know the truth until we end up meeting our maker :o)
 
LUCIFER said:
even koran agrees with me have a looksie:

ANGELS THAT CAME TO MARYAM (as)

And when the angels said, 'Maryam, Allah has chosen you and purified you. He has chosen you over all other women. Maryam, obey your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow.' This is news from the Unseen which We reveal to you. You were not with them when they cast their reeds to see which of them would be the guardian of Maryam. You were not with them when they quarrelled. When the angels said, 'Maryam, your Lord gives you good news of a Word from Him. His name is the Messiah, 'Isa, son of Maryam, of high esteem in this world and the hereafter, and one of those brought near. He will speak to people in the cradle, and also when fully grown, and will be one of the righteous,' she said, 'My Lord! How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me?' He said, 'It will be so.' Allah creates whatever He wills. When He decides on something, He just says to it, 'Be!' and it is. (Surah Al 'Imran, 42-47)

and then abracadabra.........

JIBRIL'S DESCENT TO MARYAM IN THE FORM
of a Handsome Man

And veiled herself from them. Then We sent Our Spirit to her and it took on for her the form of a handsome, well-built man. She said, 'I seek refuge from you with the All-Merciful if you guard against evil.' He said, 'I am only your Lord's messenger so that He can give you a pure boy.' (Surah Maryam, 17-19)



LUCIFER:skeleton:
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the last senyence explains it
'i am only myour lords MESSANGER so that HE can GIVE YOU A PURE BOY':rollseyes
 
ya_Giney said:
the last senyence explains it
'i am only myour lords MESSANGER so that HE can GIVE YOU A PURE BOY':rollseyes
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yeah but obviously the "message" is not written or spoken but "supernatural" in the form of jesus:rollseyes

why else send the angel down like a well-built handsome man?
 
LUCIFER said:
yeah but obviously the "message" is not written or spoken but "supernatural" in the form of jesus:rollseyes

why else send the angel down like a well-built handsome man?
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To give the message?

How many Angels havee you seen?
 
steve said:
Well I'm no expert on interpreting the qur'an and I really don't know what's teh case here. But I would guess the "not unchast" referred to her period, and the "no man touching" refers to recently. She was married afterall.
Anyway, guessing is dangerous, so don't take my word for it, I'm just thinking out loud here.
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actually she wasnt married and she was a virgin because at that time she was a nun or something! i find more info!
 
Sarmad said:
i dont get what your askin i'm lucifer i chill with the angels on frequent basis:rollseyes
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You reside at the Charan Kamal that to me would mean Heaven. And Lucifer is a fallen angel, i can't see him being in the same place. :giggling:
 
Jesus/Isa a.s is not a son of anyone except mary/Mariam ALONE.He has no father, he just has a mother ONLY.Jesus/Isa a.s is a human being just like u and me,he ate just like the rest of us,the difference he has with the rest of us is that Allah swt chose him to be HIS Messenger. Adam a.s has no father or mother and Eve/Hawa has no mother or father either.This is just proff that Allah is MOST POWERFUL and can do whatever He wills whenever He wills.
 
Sarmad said:
even koran agrees with me have a looksie:

ANGELS THAT CAME TO MARYAM (as)

And when the angels said, 'Maryam, Allah has chosen you and purified you. He has chosen you over all other women. Maryam, obey your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow.' This is news from the Unseen which We reveal to you. You were not with them when they cast their reeds to see which of them would be the guardian of Maryam. You were not with them when they quarrelled. When the angels said, 'Maryam, your Lord gives you good news of a Word from Him. His name is the Messiah, 'Isa, son of Maryam, of high esteem in this world and the hereafter, and one of those brought near. He will speak to people in the cradle, and also when fully grown, and will be one of the righteous,' she said, 'My Lord! How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me?' He said, 'It will be so.' Allah creates whatever He wills. When He decides on something, He just says to it, 'Be!' and it is. (Surah Al 'Imran, 42-47)

and then abracadabra.........

JIBRIL'S DESCENT TO MARYAM IN THE FORM
of a Handsome Man

And veiled herself from them. Then We sent Our Spirit to her and it took on for her the form of a handsome, well-built man. She said, 'I seek refuge from you with the All-Merciful if you guard against evil.' He said, 'I am only your Lord's messenger so that He can give you a pure boy.' (Surah Maryam, 17-19)



LUCIFER:skeleton:
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So what bit says that he created anything or even caused anything to be?
By the We is Allah, and only Allah:). In arabic the 'royal we' is like a sign of respect.
 
So what bit says that he created anything or even caused anything to be?
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'I am only your Lord's messenger so that He can give you a pure boy.' (Surah Maryam, 17-19)

using the postmaster analogy the messanger is posting the baby jesus from allah into mary this does not mean that intercourse was involved its just one of the many mesenger communicatory methods.:) like sms, telephone, email etc
 
So you are assuming that the message is Jesus (AS)? Perhaos it is just a normal verbal message?
 
No it wouldn't. Because you are interpretting the Qur'an even though you don't speak arabic, and you do not have a great undrestanding of Islam. And as far as I know, you aren't a prominent scholar. How about you interpret the way the prominent companions did? I've never herad mention of this before you said it, so i am assuming that you have come to this conclusion yourself. How about you interpret it the way everyone has until this point?
 
Umm_Shaheed said:
No it wouldn't. Because you are interpretting the Qur'an even though you don't speak arabic, and you do not have a great undrestanding of Islam. And as far as I know, you aren't a prominent scholar. How about you interpret the way the prominent companions did? I've never herad mention of this before you said it, so i am assuming that you have come to this conclusion yourself. How about you interpret it the way everyone has until this point?
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so ok you tell me what they said and then i will give my opinion:)
 
Can I ask you where you got that opinion from?
My proof is that what you are saying has no basis in Islam. Please tell me the scholar who told you that.
 
Umm_Shaheed said:
Can I ask you where you got that opinion from?
My proof is that what you are saying has no basis in Islam. Please tell me the scholar who told you that.
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um no i dont think so:rollseyes

i have translated the koran and reached a conclusion the onus is upon yourslef to provide the evidence from you scholsrs i have already stated in a previous post that i dont believe in anyone elses translation so if you want to continue this discussion bring your claims and we will address them i will not be responding if you continue to derail the discussion by attacking my opion without offering any solution, christians believe he was the son of god now you have tell me what you have learned from koran.
 

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