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My proof is that you have no proof. I'm not attacking your opinion, i'm stating the facts. You have not studied classical arabic, or studied the science of tafseer, so you are in no position to make any crazy interpretations like that.
 
Umm_Shaheed said:
My proof is that you have no proof. I'm not attacking your opinion, i'm stating the facts. You have not studied classical arabic, or studied the science of tafseer, so you are in no position to make any crazy interpretations like that.
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You only call it crazy cos no scholar has interpreted it that way, there are no inbetweens when it comes to god anyone can translate. Thanks:)
 
ya_Giney said:
actually she wasnt married and she was a virgin because at that time she was a nun or something! i find more info!
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Oh I see what I did wrong, I mixed the two seperate stories of Yahya and Isa
(peace be upon them). I do have my doubts about the "nun" comment.

You only call it crazy cos no scholar has interpreted it that way, there are no inbetweens when it comes to god anyone can translate. Thanks
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When you are ill you don't ask your tailer to diagnose you right? OF course, everybody is free to interpret, but that doesn't mean it's recomended to just interpretet in whatever way you want. And without knowledge of the context in which certain verses were revealed, and to what certain referances are made, an interpretation won't make a lot of sense.
 
Sarmad said:
You only call it crazy cos no scholar has interpreted it that way, there are no inbetweens when it comes to god anyone can translate. Thanks:)
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No they can't:). In islam we have rules and regulations for these types of things. First of all the Qur'an is not in english, it is only in arabic. What you are reading - i assume - is the english translation of the meaning. Which doesn't come anywhere close to the real deal. And the tQur'an is not written in mondern day slang arabic, but classical arabic. To make tafseer of the Qur'an you have to be highly knowledgable in this field. That's all i'm trying to say. You can't spread things around if you aren't sure of them. And in Islam, it is kufr (disbelief) to believe that any other than Allah have the power of creation. That is an attribute of Allah, and only Allah.
 
j4763 said:
So who do the Muslim think is Jesus's dad? Joseph?
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We believe that Jesus (AS) was born of a virgin birth, and has no father. Allah created him in a way similar to they way he created Adam (AS). And that is, without any sexual interaction.
 
Umm_Shaheed said:
We believe that Jesus (AS) was born of a virgin birth, and has no father. Allah created him in a way similar to they way he created Adam (AS). And that is, without any sexual interaction.
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Excellent!

Can you quote what it is that Christains believe on this subject?
 
Sarmad said:
um no i dont think so:rollseyes

i have translated the koran and reached a conclusion the onus is upon yourslef to provide the evidence from you scholsrs i have already stated in a previous post that i dont believe in anyone elses translation so if you want to continue this discussion bring your claims and we will address them i will not be responding if you continue to derail the discussion by attacking my opion without offering any solution, christians believe he was the son of god now you have tell me what you have learned from koran.
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What? You translated the Qur'an? Don't kid yourself pal. The tafsir-explanation of the Quranic Ayahs-was done by the companions of the prophets in his life time and their interpretation is nothing like what you said.
In Islam we go by the hadith and Qur'an and your opinion contradicts the meaning given by the best Islamic scholars including the prophet(saw).
The thing is pal. You aren't a muslim so if you don't believe Qur'an is true you have no right to slander over its meaning.
 
Sarmad said:
You only call it crazy cos no scholar has interpreted it that way, there are no inbetweens when it comes to god anyone can translate. Thanks:)
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No smarty:rollseyes . Only those with knowledge can transalate and you arn'et even a muslim so your understanding is waaaaay of the point.
Do you believe the Qur'an is the word of God?
If you do then you have to be a muslim and that would mean agreeing with the prophet (saw)'s meaning. Nothing like yours.
And if you aren't a muslim then you must believe that the Qur'an is the word of Muhammad(saw) and if that is the case then his transalation is what is correct cos he is the one that wrote it(so iether way that should be your opinion if you are sane enough to make it.)
Don't get me wrong i believe it's the word of Allah.
 
thats the Truth, remember how Allah created Adam? he had no father nor mother, then why is it for christians to belive this ?
 
DAWUD_adnan said:
thats the Truth, remember how Allah created Adam? he had no father nor mother, then why is it for christians to belive this ?
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But then couldn't allah be referred to as adams father and mother in one? Maybe the christians interpreted it wrong and took it as literal meaning of the word “father”?
 
But then couldn't allah be referred to as adams father and mother in one? Maybe the christians interpreted it wrong and took it as literal meaning of the word “father”?
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Yes well the difrence is that a son-father relationship has hereditory factors wheer as a creator-creation relation doesn't necesairly. And that means there's something seriously worng with trinity.
 
Ayesha Rana said:
No smarty:rollseyes . Only those with knowledge can transalate and you arn'et even a muslim so your understanding is waaaaay of the point.
Do you believe the Qur'an is the word of God?
If you do then you have to be a muslim and that would mean agreeing with the prophet (saw)'s meaning. Nothing like yours.
And if you aren't a muslim then you must believe that the Qur'an is the word of Muhammad(saw) and if that is the case then his transalation is what is correct cos he is the one that wrote it(so iether way that should be your opinion if you are sane enough to make it.)
Don't get me wrong i believe it's the word of Allah.
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I am gonna say this once, I am reading it for MYSELF!!!!!!!, I am not interested whther it is the word of god or not i suggest you re-read my posts instead of your knee-jerk reaction I cant keep trying to correct your misunderstanding so I will let you figure out where your going wrong ie, I am not talking on behalf of islam I am giving you my opinion from what i read whether the companions reached that conclusion is irrelevant.

Have a nice day:thankyou:
 
i still cant undertand christian how can the belive thatthe bible is the word of God when it has been changed so many times?

ive read on an internet site that there are about 10.000 diffrences withthe first testament and the current bible , why keep making these changes?????

the Quran on th contrary was NEVER changed AND still continues to produce miracles like things which have been in the Quran 1427 years ago and are just now being found in modern sience

the Quran says ''Verily, the likeness of 'Isa before Allah is the likeness of Adam'' this meaning that Isa was created in the same way as Adam the fact that Adam had no mother nor father should be enough but still Allah shows us another miracle if you look up the name ISA it is in the Qur'an 25 times, you lookup the name Adam it is there 25 times as well!!!!!!!

is this not enough for the chritsians????
 
Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed
We believe that Jesus (AS) was born of a virgin birth, and has no father. Allah created him in a way similar to they way he created Adam (AS). And that is, without any sexual interaction.
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Joe98 said:
Excellent!

Can you quote what it is that Christains believe on this subject?
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The Bible pretty much says the same thing.
Jesus was miraculously conceived inside Mary, who was a virgin at the time. That is the Biblical concept of the virgin birth, as I understand it.

"In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin's name was Mary. The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you."
Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end."
"How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?"
The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month. For nothing is impossible with God." "I am the Lord's servant," Mary answered. "May it be to me as you have said." Then the angel left her."
(Luke 1:26-38)
 
DAWUD_adnan said:
i still cant undertand christian how can the belive that the bible is the word of God
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Christains do not believe it is the word of God.
Christains do not believe it is the word of God.

I say this so often on this forum I have repeated it just for you.

For example the gospbel of Mathew was written by..........(drum roll).....Mathew! It was not written by God!

For a test please complete the blanks:

The gospbel of Mark was written by________

The gospbel of Luke was written by________

I expect nothing less than 100%
 
Joe98 said:
Can you quote what it is that Christains believe on this subject?
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Muslim Knight said:
Best obtained from Christians themselves.
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For me this is extremely irritating

Muslims have been told the Christain belief a number of times in this thread and many times in other threads.

You are not asked to believe. You are asked to understand the Christain belief.

If you cannot follow it perhaps some lessons in English grammar might be usefull!
 

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