Virgin birth

[bint_muhammed]

For me this is extremely irritating

Muslims have been told the Christain belief a number of times in this thread and many times in other threads.

You are not asked to believe. You are asked to understand the Christain belief.

If you cannot follow it perhaps some lessons in English grammar might be usefull!

sounds similar to the muslims belief!:rollseyes

 

[Ayesha Rana]

I am gonna say this once, I am reading it for MYSELF!!!!!!!, I am not interested whther it is the word of god or not i suggest you re-read my posts instead of your knee-jerk reaction I cant keep trying to correct your misunderstanding so I will let you figure out where your going wrong ie, I am not talking on behalf of islam I am giving you my opinion from what i read whether the companions reached that conclusion is irrelevant.

Have a nice day:thankyou:

Precisely. You are reading from yourself. And I am saying that you can't claim that the companions never reached that conclusion so it gives you every right to. You see dear confused Bro/sis, you obviously don't have much knowledge of Islam. The Qur'an was not sent down to be interpreted however, it all has a specific meaning. It was revealed to the prophet so he knows that meaning and he taught it to his companions. There is only one meaning, the Qur'an is not a jumble of different peoples opinions.
:rollseyes

 

[Sarmad]

Precisely.

You say precisely but continue to make the same error there is not much discussion going on is their?

You are reading from yourself.

correct and whats your point this is a discussion forum not a forum to discuss only the conclusions reached by the companions just cos you restrict yourself does not mean I am going to, I am not a muslim so I will read the koran any damn way I please.

And I am saying that you can't claim that the companions never reached that conclusion so it gives you every right to.

every right to what exactly?

You see dear confused Bro/sis,

bro and not confused.

you obviously don't have much knowledge of Islam.

god gave me a brain to make my own conclusions thankyou very much.

The Qur'an was not sent down to be interpreted however, it all has a specific meaning.

oh really? do you know how many muslims will disagree with you on that you represent a majority sheep mentalitity point of view, if you go to muslim countries such as pakistan they will tell you they dont rely on anyone to dictate interpretation this is the reason why pakistan continues to hold its position of having a secular islamic republic, your view is one view but not the only one and we aint allowed to discuss sectarian issues so I will leave it their but in future dont tell me that i cannot interpret a verse in a certain way i am a free individual and i will do what i like, comprende?

It was revealed to the prophet so he knows that meaning and he taught it to his companions. There is only one meaning, the Qur'an is not a jumble of different peoples opinions.
:rollseyes

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their actually websites online which have refuted such positions, arabs made up these rules they were not a part of islam unless you look and learn for yourself you will continue to be under the sway of scholars who will force their will onto society the way they have done up until now, do you think their is nothing more that people can learn by themselves by reading the koran, the companions did not metion half the stuff about scientific miracles the way Dr Zakir Naik does he too has plucked these things by his own interpretation (or out of thin air) but no-one criticises that cos you like to be followers not leaders, well I won't follow I am my own leader and wont be dictated to.

Have a smashing day amigos:thankyou:

 

[Ayesha Rana]

The precisely was to the fact that you are reading it for yourself Bro and I apologise if i insulted you.
I was trying to explain that there should not be different interpretations of the Qur'an and just cos people do so doesn't make it right. The explanation the prophet gave us is the truth cos it was revealed to him so obviously if anyone knows the meaning it is him.
And just incase you are interested the angel Jibraeel blew into Maryam (as) sleeve.

Hey and bro what religion are you it would make things alot easier. You believe in God and it seems that you think the Qur'an is the word of God,

god gave me a brain to make my own conclusions thankyou very much.

but you seem to reject the sayings of the prophet.
I may not be right but it would make things alot easier.

 

[PrIM3]

this question always make me bored. why christian always reply and reply all over again, infact muslim had answer this question.

we believe virgin birth, but we dont believe in jesus.. Jesus is not ISA Al MAsih which is our prophet. He is somebody else !!!

our prophet ISA Al MAsih is under ALLAH SWT protection. And ISA Al MAsih never been in crucified.

tell me where does it say in the Quran that He was never crucified?
sorry off topic question

 

[- Qatada -]

tell me where does it say in the Quran that He was never crucified?
sorry off topic question

Hey.


You can create a new thread if you want.


However, heres the proof insha'Allaah:

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- [Qur'an 4:157]

Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;- [4:158]​

more info.
http://www.soundvision.com/Info/Jesus/inIslam.asp


Peace.

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Can I just ask everyone to calm down. This isn't something that needs to be fought over. Sarmad isn't a scholar, so I doubt his opinions will cause much fitnah. Ukhti Ayesha, let him interpret it that way. He isn't harming anyone else. However Sarmad, what I am trying to say is that in Islam we believe that only Allah has the power to create any being. That is all. We do not believe that angels could even create a fly if they all came together. If you insist on holding your opinion, then that's fine with me. It isn't affecting me in any way.
-W'salaam and Peace

 

[glo]

Muslims have been told the Christain belief a number of times in this thread and many times in other threads.

You are not asked to believe.
You are asked to understand the Christian belief.

Hi Joe

That's a very interesting comment.

I find that many Muslim members here are really not interested in understanding Christianity. Questions are often intended to criticise or attack, rather than seek information.

It's an attitude I really cannot come to grips with.
If I ask a question here, it's usually to learn about somebode else's beliefs or views. That doesn't mean I end up agreeing with them - but at least I understand where they are coming from.

Having said all this, this is a Muslims forum, so we should not be surprised that some members here have no intention to learn about or try to understand other beliefs. :rollseyes

Peace.

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Well, that could be because they are happy with their faith. You have to understand that some people aren't really interested in learning about other people's faiths. I however, am. R.E was one of my favourite subjects at school, and I still love learning about other people's faithsin great detail. Especially the other 'Abrahamic' religions.
Do you agree with Joe's statement that the Bible isn't the word of God?
-Peace

 

[Umar001]

I find that many Muslim members here are really not interested in understanding Christianity. Questions are often intended to criticise or attack, rather than seek information.

Yea for real, I don't get that too, because I mean the main purpose of a Muslim and a Christian is basically Worship G-d you know, to get closer to Him and so on, and I mean random attacks and so on doesnt help anyone, only tends to lead to a division through which people are driven away from interfaith dialogue, which is an upsetting thing to see.

I also do think it is very hard to see whether a person is being mean and jus attacking or whether they are jus genuinly disagreein and asking, like me lol, when I talk to people online, I have had people say they feel as though I was attackin their faith, but that was not my intent at all, I was jus askin about points I didnt understand their view on.

SO EVERYONE, IF I EVER SEEM TO BE ATTACKING ANYONE TELL ME SO I KNOW AND WILL TRY AND NOT SEEM AS fORWARD OR AGRESSIVE, FOR THAT AINT MY INTENTION.

But I think it should be cut out straight, though it is a fine line between respectively disagreein and attack, well online it is when it may be hard to tell peoples emotion and so on.

Having said all this, this is a Muslims forum, so we should not be surprised that some members here have no intention to learn about or try to understand other beliefs. :rollseyes

Now I really don't get this, I hope and I think im reading it wrong, it seems like, its more or less stating that because its a Muslim place your bound to find people like that?

I so think Im reading it wrong, please correct me glo.


Peace people :thankyou:

 

[glo]

Now I really don't get this, I hope and I think im reading it wrong, it seems like, its more or less stating that because its a Muslim place your bound to find people like that?

I so think Im reading it wrong, please correct me glo.
Peace people :thankyou:

Hi IsaAbdullah

I'm not sure what you think I am trying to say.
I mean no offence or criticism, whatsoever.

I think Umm Shaheed has put into words, what I meant to say:

You have to understand that some people aren't really interested in learning about other people's faiths.

Muslims in Muslim forums may not be interested in other faiths. That's all.

Peace.

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Some may not, but there are some like me that would .
-Peace

 

[bint_muhammed]

Yea for real, I don't get that too, because I mean the main purpose of a Muslim and a Christian is basically Worship G-d you know, to get closer to Him and so on, and I mean random attacks and so on doesnt help anyone, only tends to lead to a division through which people are driven away from interfaith dialogue, which is an upsetting thing to see.

I also do think it is very hard to see whether a person is being mean and jus attacking or whether they are jus genuinly disagreein and asking, like me lol, when I talk to people online, I have had people say they feel as though I was attackin their faith, but that was not my intent at all, I was jus askin about points I didnt understand their view on.

SO EVERYONE, IF I EVER SEEM TO BE ATTACKING ANYONE TELL ME SO I KNOW AND WILL TRY AND NOT SEEM AS fORWARD OR AGRESSIVE, FOR THAT AINT MY INTENTION.

But I think it should be cut out straight, though it is a fine line between respectively disagreein and attack, well online it is when it may be hard to tell peoples emotion and so on.




Now I really don't get this, I hope and I think im reading it wrong, it seems like, its more or less stating that because its a Muslim place your bound to find people like that?

I so think Im reading it wrong, please correct me glo.


Peace people :thankyou:

oky if thats the case, lets cum up with some rules, so no1 gets offended rite!

 

[Umar001]

Glo I think I jus got the wrong end of the stick the way I read it seemed something else, dont worry bout it

Erm, sis Giney
I think the rules are simple, I mean what I am talkin about is, for example, I may type something in a manner which I see as respectful, but when someone reads it on the other side of their pc, they neither know the manner I inteded and can only guess, and they dont know the tone in which I would speak if I were there so they would have to guess, so it is easy to misinterpret someone's disagrement with someones attack.


There are obvious attacks, such as when someone said 'Buy Bull' or something thats jus straight out red card for them. But sometimes people say, The Quran has a mistake or The Bible has a mistake, some may see it as an attack and some as a pure statement of disagreement, and the original poster should clarify that he or she is not attacking, but just statin their opinion, it should be done as Eric says , In the spirit of seeking truth, or something, it lightens up the mood and would surely get each other thinking more.

Anyhow thats my view hope I aint offended noone lol

 

[Skillganon]

Here:

The Story of Mary and the Birth of Jesus

The Story of Jesus, Son of Mary

In Defense of Mary the Virgin

 

[bint_muhammed]

Glo I think I jus got the wrong end of the stick the way I read it seemed something else, dont worry bout it

Erm, sis Giney
I think the rules are simple, I mean what I am talkin about is, for example, I may type something in a manner which I see as respectful, but when someone reads it on the other side of their pc, they neither know the manner I inteded and can only guess, and they dont know the tone in which I would speak if I were there so they would have to guess, so it is easy to misinterpret someone's disagrement with someones attack.


There are obvious attacks, such as when someone said 'Buy Bull' or something thats jus straight out red card for them. But sometimes people say, The Quran has a mistake or The Bible has a mistake, some may see it as an attack and some as a pure statement of disagreement, and the original poster should clarify that he or she is not attacking, but just statin their opinion, it should be done as Eric says , In the spirit of seeking truth, or something, it lightens up the mood and would surely get each other thinking more.

Anyhow thats my view hope I aint offended noone lol

okay! slamz!