War against Hijab and Jilbab, now in Canada!

[Pygoscelis]

Also, what's the point of giving certain minorities rights, while you can't accommodate all of them anyways? You're still picking and choosing and by what basis and what authority creates that basis?

This is my whole point in this thread. No group, minority or otherwise, should be "given rights". Everybody should have the same rights. That means no special treatment for anybody or against anybody. It means you can't wear the islamic veil if I can't wear the ski mask, in that you can't cover your face if I can't cover mine. It also means that if we change the rule to mean you CAN cover your face, then so can I. Its really quite simple. The face covering is just one example, and a rather benign one really. Consider the Sikh ceremonial dagger for example. Should we all be allowed to carry around knives everywhere we go?

 

[Ishaaq]

there is no other way for them than to attend such institutions in the West. Only if the "custodians of two Holy mosques"(may Allaah preserve them) had invested enough in the education of of this Ummah .... but no ... they need 50 rolls royce and 50 women in their harems.

What do you mean "no other way"? As if the muslims will be dedstroyed if they don't get a secular westernized education!
True knowledge is knowledge of the religion and the creed, not knowledge of psychology or physics or politics and all that useless stuff. If only the muslims desired to become ulama and huffaz rather than doctors and lawyers, perhaps we wouldn't be the weak divided ummah that we have become.

 

[Pygoscelis]

If Canada wants to ban niqab,

Nobody is advocating the outright banning of niqab. In some places it can't be allowed due to security and identity reasons. These are valid concerns. This is not blind bigotry. Where bigotry takes over (such as profiling muslims at airports for extra security checks, etc) I'll oppose it. But here we are talking about writing an exam, a school dress code, and hiding one's face/identity. Contrary to your post a few pages ago, this school would not let me wear underwear on my head to write the exam. Why should I be given any more leeway if I claimed it to be my religious duty?

 

[CosmicPathos]

What do you mean "no other way"? As if the muslims will be dedstroyed if they don't get a secular westernized education!
True knowledge is knowledge of the religion and the creed, not knowledge of psychology or physics or politics and all that useless stuff. If only the muslims desired to become ulama and huffaz rather than doctors and lawyers, perhaps we wouldn't be the weak divided ummah that we have become.

I disagree with you. Religious knowledge is fard kafaya. As some members of community are doing it, its not obligatory to know all those details. Rather, scientific education is necessary for each and every muslim in addition to knowing basics of their deen.

The lack of this interest for science has forced us to find ourselves in the situation we find ourselves in today. Our unwillingness to push scientific education has made the populace believe that religious knowledge is synonymous with faith while science is synonymous with atheism/disbelief. I've seen people with religious knowledge (search Aboo Ali on youtube, Al Azhar student) become atheists and Ive seen atheist scientists become Muslims ... we gotta shatter the myth in Ummah. inshAllah.

 

[Ishaaq]

I disagree with you. Religious knowledge is fard kafaya. As some members of community are doing it, its not obligatory to know all those details. Rather, scientific education is necessary for each and every muslim in addition to knowing basics of their deen.

So you are saying scientific education is fardh 'ayn, and is even more essential than knowledge of the religion?! Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi rajioon.

The lack of this interest for science has forced us to find ourselves in the situation we find ourselves in today. Our unwillingness to push scientific education has made the populace believe that religious knowledge is synonymous with faith while science is synonymous with atheism/disbelief. I've seen people with religious knowledge (search Aboo Ali on youtube, Al Azhar student) become atheists and Ive seen atheist scientists become Muslims ... we gotta shatter the myth in Ummah. inshAllah.

Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi rajioon! The reason for the downfall of the Ummah is because we don't "push scientific education"? My brother, the reason for our downfall is because we have left the sunnah and become involved in innovation, and in general turned away from our religion. And by the way, shoot al azhar, it is one of the most corrupt institutions in the Muslim world which is implementing modernism in the garb of religious learning.

 

[M.A.S.H.]

I am ok with a kaafir having less rights in a Muslim country and me being a Muslim having equal rights as a kaafir in a kaafir country such as Canada.

I'm not ok with people who fight for equal rights for themselves yet would deny equal rights to people in their theoretical states.

 

[sister herb]

It isn't. I qwill argue a Muslims living in Canada has more rights than a non-Muslim living in an Islamic state. By more rights I am referring to the ability to practice one's religion. For instance, you are free to give dawah, a kaffir in an islamic state is not. You are free to build mosques, wear whatever you like everywhere, instances such as this one are incredibly rare. And the list could go on.

Have muslims more rights than Christians in Canada? Can Christians still built they churchs? Can Jews built there synagogues? Are muslims only there who can built mosques and others not?

;D

I will move to Canada just tomorrow!

 

[aadil77]

there is no other way for them than to attend such institutions in the West. Only if the "custodians of two Holy mosques" had invested enough in the education of of this Ummah .... but no ... they need 50 rolls royce and 50 women in their harems.

I'd be careful about that last statement, thats accusing them of zina