Western perception of niqaab

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Rasulallah(saw) didn't behave like you do. Do you remember the instance where Allah Ta'ala was willing to crush a group of people but rasulallah(saw) said no because someone might accept Islam from amongst them? And he did this for people who were awful with him.

Tell me, is that being like the Prophet(saw)?

Personally I make duas like this:

May Allah guide them and if not then may Allah destroy them, ameen. We should want guidance for everyone first before condemning them because even the most bitter enemies of Allah and rasulallah (saw) finally accepted Islam.

 

[glo]

hell no i wont be respectful to the wrong when allah has showed me light it doesent make as sence muslims you are suppose to hate what allah hates /and you saying stuff about islam tell me the rate of rape in the west compare to muslim world and women being used for her body

Yusuf, let's not get into a statistical comparison of rape between Muslim and non-Muslim countries. I have no idea how such comparisons would fare, and this is not the thread for it!

If you are saying that there are things in Western culture wich are wrong and flawed, then I agree with you.

I am simply asking you not to give the impression that all Westerners are evil and that everything about Western values is wrong, because that's not the case.
If you really believe those things in your own heart, then I would like to encourage you to look around you. You will find things in our society, which I hope you will be able to admit are good and worthy.

God's peace to you, young brother

 

[yusuf18]

Yusuf, let's not get into a statistical comparison of rape between Muslim and non-Muslim countries. I have no idea how such comparisons would fare, and this is not the thread for it!

If you are saying that there are things in Western culture wich are wrong and flawed, then I agree with you.

I am simply asking you not to give the impression that all Westerners are evil and that everything about Western values is wrong, because that's not the case.
If you really believe those things in your own heart, then I would like to encourage you to look around you. You will find things in our society, which I hope you will be able to admit are good and worthy.

God's peace to you, young brother

i agree and i ask allah to open you heart to islam

 

[glo]

Thank you for your encouraging post, Light of Heaven.
If only all people of all faiths and none were able to be so caring and tolerant.

Peace

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Ameen to that bro yusuf.


Your welcome Glo

 

[yusuf18]

Ameen to that bro yusuf.


Your welcome Glo

ameen

 

[Wyatt]

Interesting you say that, Podarok. It's a point I made in another thread on this topic.

What stops you from greeting a niqaabi? Is there something about her dress, which makes you feel that she may be a private person and may not wish to be approached?
Can you try to explain a bit more why you refrain from speaking to her?

Peace

Oh, it's that I am too shy to talk to someone I don't know in real life. :X And, I have only seen some girls that wore the hijāb, and that was at an Obama rally out of town. I don't live in a very multi-cultural city, but I have seen a license plate that said ALLAH1 here.

 

[Al-Zaara]

Funny to return from Lebanon, Syria and Turkey - where women go unveiled - and return to Britain, the land of the full hijab. I see more women with their faces covered in Tower Hamlets than I did in Damascus.

Isn't it! When my parents came here, they weren't practicing at all, just during Ramazan and Bajram (Eid) but when they came here, my father stopped smoking, my mother starting first practicing Islam fully and my father joined her soon after and they made us grow up with Islam in our lives, for real. Not like it's for the majority of my cousins back in Kosovo.

It's probably the 'pressure' of recognizing who you are, what you believe and where you belong. One needs some security, when you come somewhere totally different, like it was for my parents. They weren't Christian nor Finns, but they were Muslims and Kosovars. Some places here are quite religious or at least they hold on strongly to traditions and as they weren't, they had to 'find' themselves. It's like a wake-up call, at least for those who are older than 25 (for example) and come here.

 

[glo]

Oh, it's that I am too shy to talk to someone I don't know in real life. :X

How then do you get to know people in real life, if you don't talk to them?

 

[glo]

Isn't it! When my parents came here, they weren't practicing at all, just during Ramazan and Bajram (Eid) but when they came here, my father stopped smoking, my mother starting first practicing Islam fully and my father joined her soon after and they made us grow up with Islam in our lives, for real. Not like it's for the majority of my cousins back in Kosovo.

Thanks for sharing, Al-Zaara.
What do you think made the difference for your parents? Perhaps being in a non-Muslim country and feeling a greater need to practice their faith, and being with other Muslims and being recognised as a Muslim?

 

[Banu_Hashim]

Interesting you say that, Podarok. It's a point I made in another thread on this topic.

What stops you from greeting a niqaabi? Is there something about her dress, which makes you feel that she may be a private person and may not wish to be approached?
Can you try to explain a bit more why you refrain from speaking to her?

Peace

My opinion is that the woman who has consciously chosen to wear a niqaab in public has done so purposefully, to avoid unwanted contact. My mum and sister wear the hijaab, but not the full niqaab. In Islam it's a requirement for women to dress modestly and wear loose clothing so as to not reveal the body in any shape... So at the end of the day, you have to make an educated guess (within reason) as to what extent you're going to go, i.e. to cover your face as well or not.

The author has made his views which is fine, but to be honest I didn't find it surprising.

 

[glo]

My opinion is that the woman who has consciously chosen to wear a niqaab in public has done so to avoid unwanted contact. My mum and sister wear the hijaab, but not the full niqaab. In Islam it's a requirement for women to dress modestly and wear loose clothing so as to not reveal the body in any shape... So at the end of the day, you have to make an educated guess (within reason) as to what extent you're going to go.

So would you say that a niqaabi is likely not to wish to be approached by non-Muslims? Even of they are women?

 

[Banu_Hashim]

So would you say that a niqaabi is likely not to wish to be approached by non-Muslims? Even of they are women?

Um.. yes, probably. It's really to avoid men, so being approached by a woman wouldn't matter as much really...

 

[Al-Zaara]

Thanks for sharing, Al-Zaara.
What do you think made the difference for your parents? Perhaps being in a non-Muslim country and feeling a greater need to practice their faith, and being with other Muslims and being recognised as a Muslim?

Yes, that's what I was saying.

They always had Islam around them, but started to appreciate it first when they saw something else so strongly around them, meaning Christianity (Evangelic-Lutheran to be precise). It's like the saying 'you don't know what you've got until it's gone'.

 

[S_87]

the majority of muslims in the west do not actually wear the veil, id say definitely less than 5% of muslim women in britain veil....they are just spotted loads. I find in Britain, non muslims seem afraid to approach and politely look away even though a veiled woman is quite common. In another western country where its hard to even find muslims when out, ive found that a lot of people actually like the idea of a covered woman, so all of the west isnt the same either.

 

[S_87]

So would you say that a niqaabi is likely not to wish to be approached by non-Muslims? Even of they are women?

nope, as a niqabi myself im not bothered

 

[Whatsthepoint]

The problem is, when can following customs be considered "too much"? What is the minimum amount of conformity acceptable?

"In Western European society, to go out in public with your face masked is (unless done for comic effect) disturbing. Hiding the face is felt to be threatening, and slightly scary, and subliminally this goes way back, and quite deep I think: it certainly frightens children."

Goths can be considered frightening and disturbing, with their dark make up, piercings, strange hair and clothes. So can satanists. So can she-males. Many people find the appearance of these people offensive and disturbing- are they facing the same issues women in niqaab are?

Yes they are, apart from shemales unless you can tell.
But you can still see their face.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

It's hardly as scary as when people go to the extreme and slice their tongues to look like snakes or color their eyes "literally." Like they put dye in it, which gives u the chances of causing blindness...

 

[glo]

It's hardly as scary as when people go to the extreme and slice their tongues to look like snakes or color their eyes "literally." Like they put dye in it, which gives u the chances of causing blindness...

True. Now that is freaky!!

 

[Al-Zaara]

But you can still see their face.

Which one sometimes wishes one couldn't. Oh well.