What do they believe?

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greetings with folded hands to all...

salaam and satsriakaal ji with folded hands to all.

im 20 m from london, just come across this site, couldnt be bothered to read 7 pages of this forum - kinda skimmed through them, im not really into forums and stuff... just fort id clear up afew things i came across in this topic...

as sikhs we do believe in re-incarnation.

Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji was born into a Hindu family but never accepted Hinduism or Islam as His religion. He believed religion devided people. There is only one religion, the religion of God. Any person take this beliee whatever your background (religion, country, cast, gender etc). Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji never did look for new comers for this faith as someone on this board stated. Sikhs do not seek converts. You will never find Sikhs with stalls looking for converts. The folowers of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji were from all walks of life from both Hindu and Islam religious backgrounds. Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji's followers became known as Nanak Panthi's (followers of Nanak's faith) or Sikhs (learners).

A user of this board said Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji forbid the eating of beef (in Hindu favor) but allowed the consumption of alchahole and pork. In Sikhism beef is in seen in the same light as any other meat. It is against Sikh believe to consume any meat or alchahole, tobacco and other intoxicants.

Sikhsism is not only exclusive to indians. There are many black (african and jamican) as well as white Sikhs across the globe. In Shepard's Bush Gurdwara (central London) there is a community of black and white baptised Sikhs who attended regularly. There is also a Sikh society in Euston, where around 90% of its members are non-indian. This society is lead by a european white Sikh woman. If any persons here are interested in morinfo on non-indian Sikhs i know many websites i can post.

Sikhs have a different idea of heaven. we believe that after reaching the highest point of eternal realisation one merges with the supreme. just as a drop of water goes into an ocean.


respect all religions.l i noticed some peeps here chatin bout Sikhi with sly and sometimes blatent intent to be disrespectfull. lets learn and respect all religions iven if they do contradict our own beliefs.


someone stated 'Baba Nanak Sa Fakir Hindu ka Guru Musalmaan Ka Pir' this is very true. After Guru Ji died many muslims wanted to bury Guru Ji, Hindus wanted cremate him according to there rights... i know of several pakistani muslims who hold reverence to Sri guru Nanak Dev Ji. There is a small group of Muslims (i forgot there name) who share similar ebliefs to Sikhs, and do not follow mainstreme Islam. They believe Mohammed Sahib only consumed meat 4 times in his life time (amoungst other thingss which i have forgotten, will post more if anyone wansto know).


lol im wotching big brother as im writing this post, you guys mite be interested to know that theres a homosexual pakistani who speaks fluent punjabi who has just entered the big brother house. he this he will be a contraversial figure.

i havnt proof read this post, there will probablybmany errors. im in a hurry to go eat my pasta. will chk this bord for any new posts tmrw.

peace

jsc
 
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Moss said:
I don't think what sister Daffodil has said is entirely correct



If they never heard of Islam then there will be a separate judgement for them. For more information see posts here Mother Teresa- Heaven/Hell



No that is not entirely true. What happened in Afghanistan was wrong. In the Qur'an it says there is no compulsion in religion. If someone leaves islam to revolt against the state thats a differnt issue

This post by Ansar Al 'Adl explains it well http://www.islamicboard.com/20595-post1.html
For full thread go here Islam and Apostasy
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Thank you for the feedback moss:)
 
Sorry to keep asking but I have two more questions.

Firstly what is Sufi Islam?

Secondly Why are terms like "Kafir" used to denote those who practice a faith different to Islam. Can a religion called "true religion" discriminate one human from another?
 
jss said:
Sorry to keep asking but I have two more questions.

Firstly what is Sufi Islam?

Secondly Why are terms like "Kafir" used to denote those who practice a faith different to Islam. Can a religion called "true religion" discriminate one human from another?
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:sl:

Talk of sects is against fourm rules.
 
jss said:
Sorry to keep asking but I have two more questions.

Firstly what is Sufi Islam?

Secondly Why are terms like "Kafir" used to denote those who practice a faith different to Islam. Can a religion called "true religion" discriminate one human from another?
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Kaafir means non-muslim, or a disbeliever. Its not discriminating at all. Its the context people use though.

Its like the word paki. It just means someone pakistani, but the context people use it in is wrong so it becomes an insult. same with the word Ghora, donating white person. Thats all it means but the context people use it and the tone they speak it in makes it offensive. hope that answers your question
 
Moss said:
Kaafir means non-muslim, or a disbeliever. Its not discriminating at all. Its the context people use though.

Its like the word paki. It just means someone pakistani, but the context people use it in is wrong so it becomes an insult. same with the word Ghora, donating white person. Thats all it means but the context people use it and the tone they speak it in makes it offensive. hope that answers your question
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Yep it does thanks again moss
 
jss said:
lol, please re-readddddddddddd past posts because ignorance is not bliss
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I'm afraid it is what a lot of people believe from when they are kids. i been fortubnate enough to know sikhs during school, so i know they are not meant to drink and stuff. But they tell me completely different stuff. Saying how God reveraled all these religions etc. My friends werent very knowledgable. one of em had a turban all his life and now wnats to shave his hair off
 
^^^^

Also having said that, i'm sure its the same with Sikhs. Both my sikh friends, and others i have met always say Islam was pread by sword, and sikh converts to islam i've spoken to also have said they were taught by their parents that muslims were bad people who kill people who are non-muslims and killed loadsa gurus because thats what the Qur'an says.

I'm glad i've met you guys to give truer version of Sikhism
 
Moss said:
I'm afraid it is what a lot of people believe from when they are kids. i been fortubnate enough to know sikhs during school, so i know they are not meant to drink and stuff. But they tell me completely different stuff. Saying how God reveraled all these religions etc. My friends werent very knowledgable. one of em had a turban all his life and now wnats to shave his hair off
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moss that person done this deliberately you know that too, secondly is it ok if i tell people that your all inbred terrorists? cos people think that too, in fact growing up in my school pakistanis were always bullied cos of peoples prejudices if anything i used to stick up for them I even got jumped once by a gang of racist goreh for doing this, but you dont extend this same level of understanding to other faiths you need to ask why this is, what is it that sets us apart in terms of righteousness, i think you will find the answer is the religion.

No offence,

ISDhillon:thankyou:
 
brother u have to realise, calling oneself Sikh does not make a person Sikh. I can go around calling my self a muslim, that wouldnt make me Muslim.

Drinking and Bhangra is a part of punjabi culture not sikh religion.
Sikhs do not hate muslims, indian gvt and bollywood movies are largly to blame for any tention btwn sikhs and muslims. there is a famous sikh saying
"if your a muslim be a gud muslim, if ur hindu be a gud muslim, if ur a sikh be a gud sikh".

we have muslim composers in our Holy Book, so how can we hate muslims? Muslims helped our 5th Holy Guru Sahib and our 10Th final Guru Sahib, so how can we hate Muslims? Some Muslims fought with Sikhs against the Mughals, so how can we hate people of the muslim faith?

Sikhs do not carry a kirpan (kir-pan justified weapon) for protection from muslims. thats another misconception you have.

Not specifically halal meat (mainly reffered to as religious meat) is banned in Sikhi. Any meat is banned in Sikhism... Examples of Halal meat was given by Muslim Saints such as Bhagat Kabeer Ji.... kata (non-religious meat) meat is also mentioned in a negetive light in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

please done believe everything you hear. perhaps you should tell ur friends the abovve points, there responces will be interesting.
 
ISDhillon said:
the koran is false I have told you this before our guru says all semitic and hindu scriptures are false, they are not the word of god they are the word of an angel, if you want the word of god you must read Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji it is the only direct revelation on earth.

ISDhillon:thankyou:
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veerji, Guru Ji's sweet bani say's
Vedz (holy hindu scripture) ketebz (scriptures of muslims, christians and jews)... do not call these false. false are the ones who dont contemplate on them. (raag prbti kabeer)

Also God-realisation can be found in other ways other the Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj.

Bhul Chuk Maaf (quoted Guru's holy Bani)

jsc
 
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jsc said:
veerji, Guru Ji's sweet bani say's
Vedz (holy hindu scripture) ketebz (scriptures of muslims, christians and jews)... do not call these false. false are the ones who dont contemplate on them. (raag prbti kabeer)

Also God-realisation can be found in other ways other the Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj.

Bhul Chuk Maaf (quoted Guru's holy Bani)

jsc
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True it can other ways but the process is lengthy dependant on ones Karam
 
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something dodgy is going on in this thread the quotes were not written by the people whose names have been added to them:?
 
Greetings,

I've sorted it now, there was a mistake in the way someone was quoting other posts.
 
Moss said:
What is hard to believe about all the prophets of God being submitters to him. By definition then they are Muslims. Many of them would never have said "I am a muslim", but by definition they are.

And HeiGou you are misssing the point because i don't think you quite understand the 2 perspectives

Islam says all Prophets came with the same message, but the people and folloowers have changed it in some way. Now this point is what Christians and Jews find difficult to understand. But the actual concept in Islam, that all Prophets are submitters to God, no Jew or Christian i have ever met has found that hard to understand.

Now Sikhism doesn't say all Prophets are Prophets of God and the followers changed it. Instead they say nothing has been changed but the religions that exist today in this current form are all right, even though they contradict each other in many ways.

Do you see what i am saying now?
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The Gurbani wasn't delivered so it could praise other humans (prophets) it only concentrates on the praise of God! End off!
 
shahidiceprince said:
It is also said that Guru Nanak was a muslim, infact, he went to Haj(pilgrimage to the holy places).
And moreover, there is no evidence that he started a new religion, he only tried to uphold the faith of Islam!
Then why is Sikhism called a faith, when its originator was originally a Muslim???
It deserves to be a sect of Islam if it is said to be 'pure' islam, as said by my brothers in this thread!!!
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LOL

Why is it that Muslims and Hindus want to bring Sikhism into their fold of their own religion? It makes me laugh.

It's not going to happen!
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
LOL

Why is it that Muslims and Hindus want to bring Sikhism into their fold of their own religion? It makes me laugh.

It's not going to happen!
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its the other way round mate, its the sikh ppl who i know that told me how the guru was a muslim n all this other stuff n that aparantly in ur holy book something something sahib Allah swt is mentioned.
 

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