Unfortunately because of the US strangle hold in the mideast and their support for the corrupt gov there that option cannot be applied, but pple are getting there when their gov becomes independent of US infulence like iran and pakistan (before 2001)
That is such a cop-out! "The US stragle-hold..." line is tired and beaten. Money talks, idealism walks. The US only wants stability from whence its oil flows; the Iraq war was intending to create stability after removing Saddam--however misguided this plan/intentions were, the fact remains that they are not leaving until they have created a bit of security for the Iraqi people to build off of. So, your muj are only prolonging the occupation! WHY??? And also, if you care to think for a minute, with a democracy, the people can elect hardliners, legitimately (like Hamas). It is fine with me. They now are accountable for their people's hunger and unemployment. Iraq could do the exact same thing, with no sweat off of my brow. It will take time for them to sort things out, and from the bottom of my heart I hope they do. They deserve it. But blaming the USA for Pakistan's choice to become a global power player (the ISI running Afghanistan for years, supporting terrorists, going nuclear,huge military, expanding economy, continuing the bloodbath in Kashmir...) is irrational. They now, thankfully, have a leader who must account for his country's actions--half to his own people, half to the west. That is the way it works. Pretty simple. And Iran? Iran has benefitted tremendously from the USA in Iraq.
I posted the following in another thread, please consider :
The funny thing is, if you can think like a cynical realist for a minute (just like the Iranian clerics + Amadinejad) , Iran has benifitted immensely from the war in Iraq, as follows:
--allowed Iranian hardliners to play the ethnico-nationalism card by way of the "look what has befallen our shia brothers in Iraq" and the subsequent power shift in Iraq from sunni to shia
--allowed Amadinejad to unify dissent in his country, THEN exporting the biggest threats of violent jihad against his regime to Iraq, with said Iranian munitions. I mean to say that Iran holds the advantage in that region now b/c of their proven ability to further destabilize Iraq by various means.
--ousting Saddam, Iran's uber-nemesis, he who favored the Sunni warmonger elite
--by way of connection: the ouster of the Syrian Army from Lebanon has left a power vacuum which the Iranian-backed Hezbollah have gladly filled, posing a bigger potential threat to Israel, and to anywhere Hezbollah can reach
--and best of all, the Iraq mess has focussed attention elsewhere, away from Iran's nuclear program, to their great advantage. There is a very senior Iranian cleric ON THE RECORD laughing about how he and Iran have been able to stall the IAEA/EU3/USA for time to gain "no turning back, now" impetus of the nuclear program.
I guess what I am saying is that those in power in Iran are not crying about their (relatively)few fellow dead muslims in Iraq...rather they are trying to reap the political gains made available by the situation. Geopolitics sure are ugly!!!
Yes they can any ballistic missile can travel thousands of miles but that wasn’t the point, they are using exactly what u accuse the resistance of, not fighting on the gound or face to face and killing thousands of civilians which they will pay for inshaAllah
I did not disagree with your assertion that "any ballistic missile can travel thousands of miles". Of course you are correct. But you implied that the USA/UK were actually bombing from "thousands of miles away". They are not.
And you have also misunderstood my main point here; I don't consider the coalition troops to be all heroic. Nor do I think that about the muj. My point is this : Any retard can fight a guerilla war. But, as Kissinger said, a conventional army can't win a war against a guerilla force unless all of the guerillas are dead. The US is not going to engage in that kind of cruelty, ie Assad in Hama and Saddam in the north vis Kurds.
But this doesn't mean they will lose! It only means that the longer the insurgents resist, the farther into the abyss of horror and economic retardation Iraq will plunge. THIS IS IN NO_ONE's interest except the puppet-masters of the "opposition". They are power hungry fools who use the frustration of their own people and religion for selfish, hubristic ends.
I call to mind the Afghanistan resistance against the USSR. 1.5 MILLION AFGHANIS WERE KILLED!!! How many of these b/c of hubris or for their war-lord chieftains own interest? But this is a whole different issue, sorry I raised it!)
Don’t stoop to name calling, if u cant have an intelligent conversation than shut ur trap
I apologize if I did name call or you interpreted it that way. I am sorry, friend.
We don’t accept foreign powers occupying Muslim land and killing thousands of pple to get away with what they have done. Like it or not the insurgents will bleed US to death financially and militarily.
But how many lives would Iraqis have extinguished had there been a coup-d'etat and the civil war that would surely ensue? The insurgents cannot bleed the USA to death financially. Full stop. Nor militarily! full stop! They can only do it by swaying USA popular opinion, and a SURE WAY TO DO THIS IS TO STOP THE SNIPING AND SUICIDING!!! The Iraqis will have something left if they do. But don't you see the inflated, uber-pride I am talking about, of the insurgents? They would rather create chaos and death, only to be entitled to call themselves Allah's heroes and other such nonsense that serves no purpose than to accrue more power when the USA leaves. It is very illogical and counter to the interest of their future Iraq. So, I beg you to quit thinking of this in terms of "the infidels on muslim land", because no one here sees the occupation in terms so simplistic, and erroneous as that.
Israel will be weaken as well when US pulls out, they are a tiny country anyway not much of a thread when mideast countries like iran build up their militry and get nukes, and u wont be getting any oil at this price if the Saudi gov gets overthrown which is likely in future. Maybe $200-$300 a barrel? ;D
I disagree. The IDF is very strong and has NO CHOICE to be otherwise. And if Iran is stupid enough to get aggressive against them, they will be sorely mistaken. Think of the nuclear chaos that would inevitably ensue.
The world economy would grind to a hault if your Saudi prediction comes true; be careful what you wish for!
