What does this verse mean?

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You asked me to explain the Islamic perspective not to provide empirical evidence. Has that changed?
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I was not sure if that was the Islamic prespective or just a statement.

Of course, but the explicit supposition is that they are fake. If they are not fake then there is no reason to reject them. That is why God gave us the faculties of reason and logic to investigate and search for the truth.
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Good awsner. I completly accept that also. The only difference is that Judaism believes that Mohammad was a false prophet because he did not meet the requirements set by G-d, while Islam believes that he was the final prophet of G-d.

Yes, it is not true that someone who disbelieves in Prophet Muhammad and thinks he is false will go to paradise. If that was the case, why would the Prophet have bothered preaching at all?
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Alright I understand where you are coming from now.

This is where Judaism and Islam seperate as we just ask people to be righteous and live good lives and accept G-d as there creator, while you proclaim the need to accept a prophet for the right to go to heaven.

If you are a righteous person, God will guide you to the truth. Why would God allow a righteous believing servant of His, who craves for the truth, to be mislead and come to reject God's Messenger?
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Are you saying there are no righteous people on this earth that craved for the truth of G-d's message, and died a non-Muslim? I so, I would have to say that I utterly disagree with you. Now maybe your counter to this will be they were not given 'the message of Islam' properly, and that can probably be your only response because there were at least in my mind (I cannot speak for you) a lot of people who did not accept Mohammad as a prophet who lived righteous lives and craved G-d's true message.

Thank you for your time and your detailed responses.
 
therebbe said:
Are you saying there are no righteous people on this earth that craved for the truth of G-d's message, and died a non-Muslim? I so, I would have to say that I utterly disagree with you. Now maybe your counter to this will be they were not given 'the message of Islam' properly, and that can probably be your only response because there were at least in my mind (I cannot speak for you) a lot of people who did not accept Mohammad as a prophet who lived righteous lives and craved G-d's true message.

Thank you for your time and your detailed responses.
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Peace, I am in no way as knowledgeble as the other brothers here..nor do i think i can explain things as good, but i will try to comment on this last question. insha Allah

It depends on what u call a righteous life. It is possilbe for a person to live what is percieved as a righteous life (eg. giving charity, being kind etc.) but he didnt do it in the name of God, meaning that he did it to be recognised as a good person. Then he would have gotten his reward in this world....- which is to be recognized as a righteous person, and nothing in the here after.

It is also possbile for an idolator to lead a righteous life, but still he does it in the name of someone other than God......or he does in in tribute to one of his Gods. This person would not get his reward in the hereafter, for he is still an idolater and he would recieve punishment for it.

Similarly he may be a righteous person "searching for truth" and craved Gods message, but how would he really know what is Gods true message? Rather he may crave Gods message that "suits" him and allows him to live the life he wants to live - not necessarily the way that God wants him to live. To me person is not seeking Gods message at all.


This aspect of Judahism confuses me - where u dont have to be a Jew to be in heaven as long as u follow the 7 laws, so then, whats the purpose of being a jew? If i dont live as a jew, then am i not denying some aspect of God??? Dosent this make me a non believer? God would reward me for being a non believer?
 
It is possilbe for a person to live what is percieved as a righteous life (eg. giving charity, being kind etc.) but he didnt do it in the name of God, meaning that he did it to be recognised as a good person.
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There are many Jews who live righteous lives and give to charity and are very kind in the name of G-d. Judaism teaches to be righteous in the name of G-d.


This aspect of Judahism confuses me - where u dont have to be a Jew to be in heaven as long as u follow the 7 laws, so then, whats the purpose of being a jew?
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If you are born a Jew, then you must follow the 613 laws. There is not turning back. You were born into the covenant that the Jewish people established with G-d. This is why it takes a year to convert to Judaism. You are accepting all 613 laws and converting into the covanent.

If i dont live as a jew, then am i not denying some aspect of God???
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If you follow the Seven Laws of Noah then you are following the the Torah. The Torah commands gentiles to follow Seven Laws and if you follow them then in essence you are following the Torah. To follow the Seven laws and live a righteous life cannot be done if you follow other religions though, unless the religion basically mimics the teachings of the Torah and is not idolatry.

The Quran basically mimics the teachings of the Torah when it comes to the Seven Laws of Noah. If you follow Muslims law, live a righteous life, and do not hate the Jews the people who have a covanent with G-d, then you will be granted access to heaven!

God would reward me for being a non believer?
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If you follow the Seven Laws of Noah you are a believer! The Torah came first therefore it is irrelevant if you believe you are following the Laws of Noah or not. You are following the Quran which obligates you to follow the Seven Laws of Noah.

Our wisest Rabbi's explain that the spread of Islam throught the Gentile world is a great thing! It encourages more people to follow the Seven Laws of Noah and live righteous lives! If you follow Islam correctly than you are following the Seven Laws of Noah!!!!

Therefore it is G-d's will that Islam continue to grow to give the non-Jews of this world a chance to go to heaven and accept the Torahs commands of them!!!! Good job Islam!
 
Muslims believe believe righteous Jews will enter heaven.

Christians believe Jews will never go to heaven.
 
Thank you for helping me understand this verse. I just finished the 3rd chapter and I am moving on. Its a good read I guess. Probably is much more enticing in Arabic.
 
Lavikor, the Qur'an you are studying is it an English translation or a Hebrew translation. I would suspect an approved Hebrew translation would be much closer to the Qur'an than an English translation is.
 
dougmusr said:
On the contrary, Christians believe any one who wants to can go to heaven.
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What does one have to do according to christianity to go to heaven? In my catholic school it was popular opinion that only catholics are permitted to go to heaven.... which irked our English teacher who was upset for all the budhists... I am curious of your point of view on that catholic belief........
 
dougmusr said:
On the contrary, Christians believe any one who wants to can go to heaven.
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Interesting point. I never met a person who did not want to go to heaven.


OOOOOPs, come to think of it virtually every religion says that. But, the qualifiying statement is you have to only accept (this, or that). In the case of Christians they would say that you do not have to accept Christianity to go to Heaven, you only have to accept Christ(a.s.) as your Savior. Or the way I hear it. You do not have to accept Christianity, you only have to become a Christian.
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
What does one have to do according to christianity to go to heaven? In my catholic school it was popular opinion that only catholics are permitted to go to heaven.... which irked our English teacher who was upset for all the budhists... I am curious of your point of view on that catholic belief........
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Here's a quick outline of what I believe the Bible teaches. Using the word FAITH as an acrostic.

Forgiveness - all mankind is sinful and needs God's forgiveness.

Eph 1:7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace"

Available - as even Islam teaches, Christ was sent with the Gospel, or good news. The good news is that Christ's sacrifice purchased this forgiveness for all mankind.

Jn 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

This forgiveness, though available, is not given automatically.

Mt 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven."

Impossible - why is heaven not automatic? God is Holy, and it is impossible for Him to allow sin into heaven. The problem again is that we all have sinned.

Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"

Turn - We must repent or turn.

From our sin:
Lk 13:3 "... unless you repent you will all likewise perish."

To Christ:
Ro 10:9 "if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

Heaven - is eternal life

It starts here:
Jn 10:10 "...I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."

And goes on forever:
Jn 14:1 "Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.
2 "In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

I am a (gasp) Southern Baptist. I believe there will be Catholics in Heaven providing they have trusted in Christ for their salvation.
 
Woodrow said:
Interesting point. I never met a person who did not want to go to heaven.


OOOOOPs, come to think of it virtually every religion says that. But, the qualifiying statement is you have to only accept (this, or that). In the case of Christians they would say that you do not have to accept Christianity to go to Heaven, you only have to accept Christ(a.s.) as your Savior. Or the way I hear it. You do not have to accept Christianity, you only have to become a Christian.
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Why don't you come to my church and I'll go to your mosque? I'm from Round Rock, and go to Great Hills Baptist. I'll meet you at the door tomorrow morning if you care to go. Just let me know. Service starts at 10am.
 
Salam

My understanding to what the Quran says, is that if anyone regardless of his sect, believes in God and submits to him and worships him, he will be in paradise. At the same time the Quran condemns people who reject things with no knowledge and deny God's signs and also forbids following what we have no knowledge of.

So if a person rejects Mohammad (pbuh), or Isa (as), this a huge sin, and wil bring you to hell. However, if someone neither denies or accepts, but does not know, and acts sincerely towards God to what he knows and submits his soul to God, then he will be in paradise. However, if the signs are clearly shown to him, no one has the right to not accept then.

So rejecting Mohammad (pbuh) will bring you to hell, but not accepting might not depending on the person's situation, intentions, and sincerity.

Quran is very much against sectarian thinking, to think "we are of this sect, we are people of paradise", "we are of this sect, we are God's friends", this sectarian condemnation extends to us now, salafi, sunnis and shias all putting this attitude jews and christians had. The reality is paradise can be for any of mankind, it depends on what your souls earn, not what sect you belong too, and whether you truly follow the straight path. Having said that, no one has the right to deny any of God's communications, that puts you in hell and no sincere God-fearing person would do that.

Guidance is the guidance of God, he promised it would come from him, so everyone must try to find it and clings to God's rope.

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