what is god?

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yoke said:
By logic god can not have an attribute and therefore cannot exist . I am not talking about human existence
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You (may) know that 90% of the known universe is dark matter, still not understood by scientists, yet even without scienctist knowing such a small part of the universe; problems first.
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At the risk of being completely off-topic.
90%
Where did you get that?
Wouldn't that imply that our universe would colaps due to the imense gravity?

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Extract out of Stephen hawkin's: "A brief history of time"
But which Friedmann model describes our universe? Will the universe eventually stop expanding and start contracting, or will it expand forever? To answer this question we need to know the present rate of expansion of the universe and its present average density. If the density is less than a certain critical value, determined by the rate of expansion, the gravitational attraction will be too weak to halt the expansion. If the density is greater than the critical value, gravity will stop the expansion at some time in the future and cause the universe to recollapse.
We can determine the present rate of expansion by measuring the velocities at which other galaxies are moving away from us, using the Doppler effect. This can be done very accurately. However, the distances to the galaxies are not very well known because we can only measure them indirectly. So all we know is that the universe is expanding by between 5 percent and 10 percent every thousand million years. However, our uncertainty about the present average density of the universe is even greater. If we add up the masses of all the stars that we can see in our galaxy and other galaxies, the total is less than one hundredth of the amount required to halt the expansion of the universe, even for the lowest estimate of the rate of expansion. Our galaxy and other galaxies, however, must contain a large amount of “dark matter” that we cannot see directly, but which we know must be there because of the influence of its gravitational attraction on the orbits of stars in the galaxies. Moreover, most galaxies are found in clusters, and we can similarly infer the presence of yet more dark matter in between the galaxies in these clusters by its effect on the motion of the galaxies. When we add up all this dark matter, we still get only about one tenth of the amount required to halt the expansion. However, we cannot exclude the possibility that there might be some other form of matter, distributed almost uniformly throughout the universe, that we have not yet detected and that might still raise the average density of the universe up to the critical value needed to halt the expansion. The present evidence therefore suggests that the universe will probably expand forever.
 
steve said:
At the risk of being completely off-topic.
90%
Where did you get that?
Wouldn't that imply that our universe would colaps due to the imense gravity?

source:
Extract out of Stephen hawkin's: "A brief history of time"
But which Friedmann model describes our universe? Will the universe eventually stop expanding and start contracting, or will it expand forever? To answer this question we need to know the present rate of expansion of the universe and its present average density. If the density is less than a certain critical value, determined by the rate of expansion, the gravitational attraction will be too weak to halt the expansion. If the density is greater than the critical value, gravity will stop the expansion at some time in the future and cause the universe to recollapse.
We can determine the present rate of expansion by measuring the velocities at which other galaxies are moving away from us, using the Doppler effect. This can be done very accurately. However, the distances to the galaxies are not very well known because we can only measure them indirectly. So all we know is that the universe is expanding by between 5 percent and 10 percent every thousand million years. However, our uncertainty about the present average density of the universe is even greater. If we add up the masses of all the stars that we can see in our galaxy and other galaxies, the total is less than one hundredth of the amount required to halt the expansion of the universe, even for the lowest estimate of the rate of expansion. Our galaxy and other galaxies, however, must contain a large amount of “dark matter” that we cannot see directly, but which we know must be there because of the influence of its gravitational attraction on the orbits of stars in the galaxies. Moreover, most galaxies are found in clusters, and we can similarly infer the presence of yet more dark matter in between the galaxies in these clusters by its effect on the motion of the galaxies. When we add up all this dark matter, we still get only about one tenth of the amount required to halt the expansion. However, we cannot exclude the possibility that there might be some other form of matter, distributed almost uniformly throughout the universe, that we have not yet detected and that might still raise the average density of the universe up to the critical value needed to halt the expansion. The present evidence therefore suggests that the universe will probably expand forever.
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I think he may have got it from: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/051213_dark_matter.html

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Ohh would you look at that, a science lesson.....

Where is Yoke? What's his views on the point that I made?
 
I do not need to add anything anything else no one has disproven what i have already said.
 
I do not need to add anything anything else no one has disproven what i have already said.
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wat do u mean, giv us the xact points u think hav not been refuted yet n we'll deal with those...

n idea might be to write in dot pionts, or line by line refutation... that way we will be flipping everything under the sun.


ps: ur having a bad day with reps..
 
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Oh ok I see where I got thrown off. I'm not sure but I think what was meanth here was:
Dark matter makes up about 90 percent of the universe’s total matter.
But not:
Dark matter makes up about 90 percent of the universe's total existance. .

I do not need to add anything anything else no one has disproven what i have already said.
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Yoke, be a man. Eithere defend your point, admit your error or if those two are to hard at least remain silent.
 
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yoke said:
re read what i have said it covers your point.
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I can' speak for iqram's, but I know you havn't cover my points :)
so give it a shot, even if you do risk repeating yourself, shwo us where we're wrong.
 
steve said:
Oh ok I see where I got thrown off. I'm not sure but I think what was meanth here was:
Dark matter makes up about 90 percent of the universe’s total matter.
But not:
Dark matter makes up about 90 percent of the universe's total existance. .


Yoke, be a man. Eithere defend your point or admit your error.
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re read what i said
The reality that there is no god is very easy to work out and pretentious rebuttal of this is meaningless and stupid.
 
yoke said:
re read what i said
The reality that there is no god is very easy to work out and pretentious rebuttal of this is meaningless and stupid.
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lol geez that's a great way to make your point :giggling: lol what reality are you referring to, we could hav labelled ur blabber as pretentious arguments... but we didnt

perhaps you can have the dignity to do a line by line refutation of our stuff.. yeh i know it might be painful (and perhaps embaressing), but you asked for it...
 
yoke said:
re read what i said
The reality that there is no god is very easy to work and pretentious rebuttal of this is meaningless and stupid.
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No it isn't
You are basing yourself on the ASSUMPTION there is no God, just as we base ourself on the ASSUMPTION that there is one. But one assumption cannot be proven more likely over the other. In teh end everybody follows his own paradigm. But you're getting of topic. It was your intention to show that some of the notions of God were flawed by defenition. You failed to show this (or at least, you fail to anser our responses to these vain attempts of you); so you suddenly change direction and claim that "no God" is a starting point for logical reasoning. Well if you start with the assumption that there is no god, you're very likely to end up with the proof that there is no god, but you're proof is then flawed because it's circular.

I'm still waiting for you're response to my earlyer comments...
 
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yoke said:
First of all you are saying "God is" There is no evidence that is true or else there would be no purpose of having faith. Faith is believing something which there is no evidence for. Then you have to ask what is "GOD" you are saying god is the most merciful so that implies it is a being that has decided to be merciful you can only be merciful if you can also be not merciful. That means the essence of god is not fixed so god also has the potential to be evil and must have an evil side or god cannot be merciful which leads to the conclusion and god cannot be the most merciful.
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if you are convinced on this then why bother telling us?.. i mean you could have the LIFE you want to.. dancing at night drinking, drugs ... anything..
why try to change OUR minds ? i mean dont you believe that if we die we will just become bones?
is it maybe because you are unsure yourself ? maybe you do have a sense of faith but your just to arrogant to give in to it ?
and are trying to get some ''company'' because you feel lonely? i mean .... you must be think why is everyone believing in God? is it me who is wrong ? at this moment maybe you are gaining faith? and hey fellow man or jinn or what ever maybe ou should join us instead of trying to let US join U !

offense .. peace!

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:sl: sum strainj stuff around 'ere. da ishu iznt az eezi az pokin ur hed in2 da sky and tryin 2 look 4 god lyk dat. u av 2 do much mor. anywayz allah can gyd hu eva he wants
 
The reality that there is no god is very easy to work out
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Are you ever going to get tired of this useless, baseless "assumption"?
 
khal_75 said:
:sl: sum strainj stuff around 'ere. da ishu iznt az eezi az pokin ur hed in2 da sky and tryin 2 look 4 god lyk dat. u av 2 do much mor. anywayz allah can gyd hu eva he wants
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Not bad of an opinion....

(perhaps try use MOST of the letters in a word :))
 
lolwatever said:
lol geez that's a great way to make your point :giggling: lol what reality are you referring to, we could hav labelled ur blabber as pretentious arguments... but we didnt

perhaps you can have the dignity to do a line by line refutation of our stuff.. yeh i know it might be painful (and perhaps embaressing), but you asked for it...
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It is just the same as trying to convince someone the tooth fairy does not exist. Hey if you need a crutch for life well there is not much i can do about that.
 
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