what is god?

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It is just the same as trying to convince someone the tooth fairy does not exist. Hey if you need a crutch for life well there is not much i can do about that.
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is it? well what does a tooth fairy have to give, what miracles did it come with, besides placing 50cent coins under people's pillows... :rollseyes

you asked us to give you names of Allah so you can refute it... now we're giving you evidence adn ur just saying 'nope the reality is that its nto true'... where's the logic?
 
Well, ok, so what happens if we stop beliving in a god(whch will never happen inshallah)?

What happens next? HAve the belief that you just gotta make the most of this life cos once this life is over, there is an eternity of nothingness.

People will be doing all sorts of bad things without any shame or fear of any reprecussions.....Religion and God gives the world order. If I had not belived in Allah(swt) then I would have done the worst of things, would have definately sunk to the lowest of the low....
 
lolwatever said:
is it? well what does a tooth fairy have to give, what miracles did it come with, besides placing 50cent coins under people's pillows... :rollseyes

you asked us to give you names of Allah so you can refute it... now we're giving you evidence adn ur just saying 'nope the reality is that its nto true'... where's the logic?
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i second that
P.S yoke why havent you answered my question ?
 
yoke said:
It is just the same as trying to convince someone the tooth fairy does not exist.
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One day that little kid will be told that his parents put the money there, thus there is no evidence of a tooth fairy. But no one is going to tell that kid that his parents created the universe and the amazing things found in it. Even dumber than the idea that the money put itself under the pillow is the suggestion that the universe created itself. That is impossible, there must be a Perfect Creater, and thats where God comes in to the story.
 
Alpha Dude said:
Yoke, was'nt it you who started this thread:

Are some muslims afraid of debate

Well, just on this thread you can see, quite a few muslims willing to take you on, but it seems that it is you that is afraid...quit sidetracking and answer the points raised.
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Yeah.....

And answer this question:

Have you ever used the expression 'Oh My god' or 'oh my gosh'?

Be honest and don't try to avoid me.
 
cheese said:
One day that little kid will be told that his parents put the money there, thus there is no evidence of a tooth fairy. But no one is going to tell that kid that his parents created the universe and the amazing things found in it. Even dumber than the idea that the money put itself under the pillow is the suggestion that the universe created itself. That is impossible, there must be a Perfect Creater, and thats were God comes in to the story.
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Nice reply mash'Allah :) :thumbs_up
 
DAWUD_adnan said:
if you are convinced on this then why bother telling us?.. i mean you could have the LIFE you want to.. dancing at night drinking, drugs ... anything..
why try to change OUR minds ? i mean dont you believe that if we die we will just become bones?
is it maybe because you are unsure yourself ? maybe you do have a sense of faith but your just to arrogant to give in to it ?
and are trying to get some ''company'' because you feel lonely? i mean .... you must be think why is everyone believing in God? is it me who is wrong ? at this moment maybe you are gaining faith? and hey fellow man or jinn or what ever maybe ou should join us instead of trying to let US join U !

offense .. peace!

:sl: :) :thankyou:
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I am here to provoke people to think
 
Iqram said:
Well, ok, so what happens if we stop beliving in a god(whch will never happen inshallah)?

What happens next? HAve the belief that you just gotta make the most of this life cos once this life is over, there is an eternity of nothingness.

People will be doing all sorts of bad things without any shame or fear of any reprecussions.....Religion and God gives the world order. If I had not belived in Allah(swt) then I would have done the worst of things, would have definately sunk to the lowest of the low....
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You might have sunk to the lowest of the low maybe it is better for you to have faith. But life for me and a lot of faithless people is great.
 
Believeing in God is nothing like believing in a tooth fairy. And even if the tooth fairy is false that doesn't make God false to. Just because some people believe in false ideas doesn't make every belief false by default. You would have to proove every single belief as false. The one of teh tooth fairy is easy to refute. By occams razor the explenation of parents puttin money under teh pillow is more acceptable then a fairy doing so. However, to proove islam false is a whole difrent thing. And in fact the whole reason why we're having such a fuss is because you intended to show islam is false by Allah's atributes but failed to do so. And now you're trying to do soem damage control not to loose face. Let me tell you, where you to admit that you underestimated our believe you would not have lost face, but in stead gained admiration for your honesty. It is your avoidance and stuborness that really makes you lose face.
 
i agree..


You might have sunk to the lowest of the low maybe it is better for you to have faith. But life for me and a lot of faithless people is great.
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well how about we quit this little baby-style pushing and shoving and get down to the facts... are you atleast preparing a thorough refutation while you carry out ur sissy-fit outbursts in this thread?
 
steve said:
No it isn't
You are basing yourself on the ASSUMPTION there is no God, just as we base ourself on the ASSUMPTION that there is one. But one assumption cannot be proven more likely over the other. In teh end everybody follows his own paradigm. But you're getting of topic. It was your intention to show that some of the notions of God were flawed by defenition. You failed to show this (or at least, you fail to anser our responses to these vain attempts of you); so you suddenly change direction and claim that "no God" is a starting point for logical reasoning. Well if you start with the assumption that there is no god, you're very likely to end up with the proof that there is no god, but you're proof is then flawed because it's circular.

I'm still waiting for you're response to my earlyer comments...
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If you had read my posts you not just on this thread you will see i have covered it
 
but why would you prevoke us? what reason is there behind this... is it UNSURETY?

ur just avoiding the question i said '' change our minds'' you said '''provoke to think'' which is basically a fancy replacement phrase for '' changing minds''
 
yoke, you're actually wasting more time and effort regurgitating "If you had read my posts you not just on this thread you will see i have covered it" when u could save urself the hassle by copying pasting the unrefuted comments which (you think) rival bro steve's comments...
 
If you had read my posts you not just on this thread you will see i have covered it
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Yes, truelly convienient that is. However I reply to you, had you read every single post I posted on this forum, you would see that I cover your coverings to.
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Iqram said:
Yeah.....

And answer this question:

Have you ever used the expression 'Oh My god' or 'oh my gosh'?

Be honest and don't try to avoid me.
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yes i have it is a cultural thing because of the effects of religion
 
^^lol that's all you're able to reply to, to make ur point that god doesn't exist? jeepers..
 
Yeah....You are made to call upon your God even without intention. Allah makes you call upon him even if you do not want to......That is the power of Allah demonstrated to you.
 
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