What is the solution to all this conflict? What is the way to the modern world?

[JohnnyEnglish]

Does culture encourage corruption?.

Yes it does. I have lived in many different countries including China a non Muslim country that has a problem with corruption. And, in my experience the reason it exists is entirely cultural in so far as it is the cultural norm amongst the people of that country to take and receive bribes.

I believe that it stems from a society which has adopted cultural norms which puts the interest of individuals or their family / group / tribe first before and above that of their country. And, that's why anyone who immigrates to my country should (IMO) accept and adopt our cultural values and not import their (failed) cultural values.

 

[JohnnyEnglish]

This thread started with the question - What is the solution to all this conflict? What is the way to the modern world?
I'm presuming that question was . .What is the solution to all this conflict in Muslim countries and How can Muslim countries achieve a safe, secure, prosperous, opportune environment for its citizens.
I haven't seen any post here proposing any answers other than the ludicrous suggestion that they would achieve this is they became more Muslim! Why does nobody here have any ideas on what is the solution? Why is there no critical analysis of and acceptance of the problem?

 

[MuslimInshallah]

The problem is(it seems to me) that every Mulsim that is cutting off some innocent personshead or blowing up an ancient monument belie3ves that they are ‘pleasing God’and they can quote verses of the Koran that support them. It seems to me that VERY few Muslims objectivelystudy Islam, they simply accept what they are taught and believe what they wantto believe. I am sure you are a goodperson and I am sure you believe, want to believe, that Islam is a religion ofpeace (towards all mankind) but is that because that is what you havediscovered through objective questioning study or because that’s what you havebeen taught and that’s what you want to believe.

Greetings Johnny,

I quite agree with you that people bent on wickedness will seek to justify their wrongdoing in any way that they can. Whether this be by quoting snippets of the Qur'an, or by quoting the ideals of democracy or marxism or what have you. (smile) This is a universal human weakness.

As for my studies of Islam… (smile) I have mostly learnt this from the primary and secondary sources. That is, from the Qur'an and ahadith (recorded sayings and doings of the Prophet Mohammed (May God Bless him) and his companions (May God be Pleased with them)), and from respected Muslims scholars. (smile) And I mean real scholars. Not people who have a certificate or low-level degree who tweet out fatwas, but serious scholars who devote their lives and write whole and referenced books to explain their positions.

(smile) As to wanting to believe… Oh Johnny, sometimes I feel that it would be so much easier for me if I could reject what God has Taught me through the Qur'an (and yes, I read Arabic, incidentally)! (smile) Because in the short run, it is easier. I wouldn't have to suffer discrimination, I could sleep in bed rather than get up to pray, I could avoid fasting, eat whatever I wanted, find a nice man who respects me to marry…. (smile) But, just as eating junk food, and quantities of it, may seem like a better option than eating moderate amounts rich in vegetables and fruits… it isn't the best for you in the long run. (smile) Struggles build character. Fasting is good for your health. So is praying. (smile) In the longer run, following God's Instruction Manual for the Good Life does pay off, both in this life and the Next.

(smile) Islam is the state we aim for when we struggle to surrender to God's Will. A struggle to restrain ourselves from wrongdoing, for God is Good. Surrendering to God's Will brings inner peace and outer behaviours that are beneficial to the self, to others, and to all Creation. (smile) So of course, if people truly worked on restraining themselves from wrongdoing, their societies would be stronger and healthier.


May God, the Bestower, Help us to restrain ourselves and do what is Pleasing to Him.

 

[Muhammad]

Why does nobody here have any ideas on what is the solution? Why is there no critical analysis of and acceptance of the problem?

You should start with yourself before assuming that the problem is with everyone else. Are you not aware of the corruption in your own country? The taint of corruption pervades the entire British establishment. The police, the media, Parliament, even the Royal Family have all been engulfed in scandals of one type or another in recent months and years. Moreover, crime and moral decline remain a huge problem in places like the UK and USA:

Suicide is the leading cause of death of British men aged 20-34 years in the UK. The suicide rate in the EU is 17.5 people in 100,000 and 15.1 in 100,000 worldwide. [The World Health Report 2001 Mental Health: New Understanding, New Hope Geneva: World Health Organisation, (2001)]

There were 13 divorces an hour in England and Wales in 2012. One in seven divorces were granted as a result of adultery. 48% of couples divorcing had at least one child aged under 16 living with the family. It is expected that 42% of marriages will end in divorce. http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/divorces-in-england-and-wales/2012/sty-13-facts.html

An estimated 1.4 million women and 700,000 men have suffered domestic abuse in the last year, according to figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

It is estimated that 80,000 people are involved in prostitution in the UK. A recent European parliamentary report estimated there were about 880,000 people living in slave-like conditions in Europe, of whom 270,000 were victims of sexual exploitation.

In Britain, the official Crime Survey for England and Wales 2014 estimated that there are 85,000 rapes every year, or one every six minutes. Equivalent US figures suggest that 1 per cent of all women are sexually assaulted each year, one every 25 seconds.

Drug and alcohol addiction: The latest figures show that the UK had the seventh highest drug-related mortality rate in Europe (EMCDDA, 2015).

Child molestation - Over 2,800 children were identified as needing protection from sexual abuse last year. Police across the country are investigating more than 1,400 men over allegations of child abuse in the past, of whom 76 are politicians.

73% of the world's online pornography is produced in the United States

In the USA, where nearly half of pregnancies are unintended and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion, there are over 3,000 abortions per day.

And, that's why anyone who immigrates to my country should (IMO) accept and adopt our cultural values and not import their (failed) cultural values.

Some of the cultural values that people bring to 'your' country are more 'British' than what the general population is practising today.

 

[M.I.A.]

ok before failed countries becomes a thing, the banking system has a lot to do with stability in the uk.

and its a far from perfect practice.. bailouts(bank to business, government to bank and probably a lot more in between) prevent failure and maybe thats ok in theory to offer a buoyancy aid... but in practice its probably full of illegitimate practices.

..the fact that the system is far reaching into other countries cannot be overlooked.

secondly, most people dont contribute to a countries previous success, "we won the war" may be accurate as a national statement, but personally most people should be ashamed to make such claims..

culturally there is a historical class divide upper, middle and lower.."working" class, this cannot be overlooked and culturally.. each class would probably have some choice words for the other..

or worse still, could not imagine the lifestyles the others led as "normal" or "acceptable".


it should not be that way, but it is.. i dont know how you define integration but people do have the right to do as they please within limits in the UK.

if that changes then you have to ask why and for who.

 

[LearnIslam]

Muhammed

But discord and corruption exists everywhere - the Middle East is neither the only place in the world with problems, nor are its problems exclusively from within those countries.

It does. But the M.East is the probably the only place where it exists to the point where you've allowed foreign armies to take over and create a havoc. Palestine has been affected for over 20 years. Is there any leadership in the M.East to counter that and make the Palestinians feel safe? Most M. East Muslims expect US or some foreign agents to help them.

 

[LearnIslam]

The point of this thread is gone. I am hoping that the leadership in the Muslim world will see its shortcomings. But everyone is gone into defense mode here, by posting information of scientific achievements by Muslims.

I am not here to judge Islam, or Muslims. I am not here to point a finger and snicker that you've failed. I am here to show you what people think, the obvious blaring truth of why xenophobia exists towards Muslims. But none of you are ready to acknowledge the problem exists from your side.

Why would people like the azaan in their countries? What sense does it make for women to wear the hijab while they put make up on their faces and wear figure revealing burkas? Islam doesn't even ask a woman to cover her hair. Please realize what modesty is truly about - it's not about being the odd one out by covering your hair.

With due respect to you all,

 

[M.I.A.]

Agree, starting with the self is for most the only thing they can do.

...the man in the mirror

I'm kidding but only just.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you LearnIslam;

So my point of discussion in this thread : Is there more than one idea of what an ideal Islamic nation should be like?

We are all created by the same God, the same God hears all our prayers, despite all our differences. We have a duty to care for all of God's creation, that has to mean caring for each other, despite our differences.

Too much injustice has happened in this world, every generation carries forwards injustice from a past generation. If we can find it in our heart to be merciful and forgive, then we could put a stop to future injustice. Study the 99 names of Allah.

There cannot be a purely Islamic nation, you are going to have to share with people of many faiths and no faith. The solution means to treat everyone as a brother, despite all our diverse beliefs.

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people

Eric