What is your opinion on countries like Jordan and Turkey?

If someone want to propagate Islam in Malaysia, he should go to Muslims first. New Muslims are more islamic than most born muslims.
 
Very good countries. You can be really free. If you want you can wear hijab if you don't then you can wear shorts and drink beer. Forced religion is worthless.
 
thats easy for you to say.....becuase your ok with things like that, when it is these very things that lead to sin in reality!!

and these countrys werent like this!! until western infuence appeared!!
 
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The only beneficial thing to do instead of looking at the negative side, you can always hope for the best and strongly advise your brothers and sisters when you see them in the wrong insha'Allah.

Allahu Al'm (and Allah knows best)

BarakAllahu Feekum.

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and these countrys werent like this!! until western infuence appeared!!
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Do muslims not have good guidance from other Muslims their, and do they not have the option of choice? Anyone can say no to something, so rather than blame the west these Muslims who have giving into temptation have only themselves to blame!
 
Salam
You cant blame the west for this one. Malaysia (and many other 'muslim' countries) have their own people, their own values and their own way of life. If they want to follow the example of the west then that is up to them. It is them at the end of the day who will be held accountable for it.
May Allah guide them and protect them
Wassalam
 
^I agree. Sooner or later the Ummah has to start taking responsibility for its own actions. We can't keep blaming 'America' or 'The Jews!!!!!!1111one'. It makes us look like those silly no-hoper kids in school who never get anywhere in life because they're too busy making life difficult for themselves, while blaming others for it.

Smok said:
Very good countries. You can be really free. If you want you can wear hijab if you don't then you can wear shorts and drink beer. Forced religion is worthless.
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Forcing people not to practice their religion is just as bad. In Turkey for example, women are not allowed to wear their headscarves in certain buildings.

I could be wrong, feel free to correct me.
 
Muezzin said:
Forcing people not to practice their religion is just as bad. In Turkey for example, women are not allowed to wear their headscarves in certain buildings.

I could be wrong, feel free to correct me.
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Of course. But IMHO religion is very "internal" thing. Pray in home but not in public schools or something.
 
Smok said:
Of course. But IMHO religion is very "internal" thing. Pray in home but not in public schools or something.
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That's your opinion, which you are entitled to. However, no one is entitled to force their opinions on others. And you must bear in mind that Muslims in particular do not see religion as just a couple of rituals, but rather as a way of life. It's not something one can just switch off.

Personally, I think that as long as the religion is not interfering in any way with the education, it is fine. In other words, I don't see how a headscarf or a turban could interfere with teaching.

Just because people are entitled not to practice religion, doesn't give them the right to forbid others from practicing theirs :)
 
Muezzin said:
That's your opinion, which you are entitled to. However, no one is entitled to force their opinions on others. And you must bear in mind that Muslims in particular do not see religion as just a couple of rituals, but rather as a way of life. It's not something one can just switch off.

Personally, I think that as long as the religion is not interfering in any way with the education, it is fine. In other words, I don't see how a headscarf or a turban could interfere with teaching.

Just because people are entitled not to practice religion, doesn't give them the right to forbid others from practicing theirs :)
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You are absolutely right. I don't have any problems when I see girl in hijab or man with big cross on his chest.
 
Smok said:
You are absolutely right. I don't have any problems when I see girl in hijab or man with big cross on his chest.
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If only everyone were as tolerant as you, the world would be a much happier place. :)

But a lot of people are intolerant, so they suck. :p
 
These clubs...these western ideals...short skirts...the hijab being tossed aside....

think this not a mistake a well planned startegy is this the view of westernisation is to make all alike to take that which is within our culture and mix it at first with there ways then soon make those who have fallen in this trap forget altogether there culture....

in the end there will be no one left to pass on our belifs to our children...we sell ourselves and betray allah as the isralites did when moses went up the mountain...

however we are made to do this on a bigger scale...

One man or one woman doing these things for there own pleasure may not seem that bad but the west is proof enough of whathappens when you leave a nation to do this type of thing...

what respect will be left for eachother what honour....
 
My school teacher, who happened to be Jordanian once said, "Religion, you don't need religion in your life."

I hope that's not what the majority believe but I think it's becoming a growing trend these days.
 
I went Jordan when I was small and I remember at the hotel I was staying there was a Mexican style wedding going on!
I cant really remember if they were Muslims but there was live Mexican music and the bride had a white wedding dress and the groom had some funny outfit.
To be honest I didnt see anyone who looked like a muslim.
........However they could have been. :(
 

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