What will we Muslims lose if there is no GOD ???

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England said:
Stay out of trouble, be a decent human being, live life peacefully then we are no doubt on the right path...
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yes friend but you've forgotten to say that we should also enjoin the good and forbid the evil :)

then we are on the right path :)
 
hemoo said:
it seems to me that the main cause of some people becoming atheists is their background religion.
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As there are few if any places in this world where the people are predominantly atheistic, we're pretty much all going to be coming from a society with a religion, be it Jew, Christian, Muslim, Buddist, whatever.

I myself was never a Christian. My mother was a presbeterian. My father was a coseted agnostic (he never talked about religion but went along with my mother). I have been atheist since as long as I can remember. I did go to church in the early days, but it was far more a cultural experience than a religious one. I never prayed myself (though I sat while others did) and never expected anybody was listening to prayers.
 
not even once have i come across a dedicated non-muslim.
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Go to:
Mea Shearim, Israel,
Boro Park, NY
Williamsburg, NY
Bnei Brak. Israel

Just to name a few. You will be suprised how your Muslims match up.
 
sounds like a fantastic tour du monde to validate a subjective view of yours... will we first encounter these dedicated non-Muslims at Israeli check points? I will go with you on this one and say Yes!
 
Greetings,
IbnAbdulHakim said:
Honestly i have grown up in london, i went to primary/secondary/college and am now working in a university yet i havent met one commited person of another faith.
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I'm a committed atheist. Pleased to meet you!

I find this strange.. i thought i found a christian once but after questioning a bit it turned out he doesnt really believe. So it seems to me that only muslims widely truelly believe in God.
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I can see why you've had some misunderstandings over this post, due to the way you've phrased it, but at the same time I think I can see what you mean.

The average Muslim that I have met has thought of god in a much more vivid and real sense than the average Christian. Many people who are labelled 'Christian' aren't remotely interested in religion of any kind. In Britain, many of these nominal Christians get slightly embarrassed when asked if they believe in god.

Peace
 
Visit the southern US, the bible belt. They have people just as fundie. Frankly, they scare me.
 
Greetings,
Pygoscelis said:
Visit the southern US, the bible belt. They have people just as fundie. Frankly, they scare me.
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Good point, I'd forgotten about them. People have been known to believe ludicrous things down there. Check these guys out.

Peace
 
sounds like a fantastic tour du monde to validate a subjective view of yours... will we first encounter these dedicated non-Muslims at Israeli check points? I will go with you on this one and say Yes!
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Most likely not, however, you will find the studying the Torah and Talmud about 21 out of the 24 hours of the day. You wouldn't want to get into religious discussions because many of them have already memorized the majority of your holiest scriptures (christians, muslims, mormans) and know how to refute missionaries quickly and accuratly. And they may become very angry if your not modestly dressed.

After that, then yeah, come to Israel, and I would love to take you on a tour!
 
lavikor201 said:
Atheism is pretty much a faith, I would say. There faith is in the scientific theories like "evolution" and there prophets are Darwin.
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Darwin was a racist, he was also a man who worked without any evidence. To take this man as a prophet is insanity!

Science has been revealed to our prophets aswell in the religious scriptures in a far more accurate way (it didnt require changing due to recent discoveries).

I will never understand aethiests, honestly if you leave an isolated man to grow up for himself only giving him the necessaties (food/shelter) do you think he will grow up to be a disbeliever? No, that is the most unlikely thing, he will recognise that there must be a source that has been providing for him and guiding him through his life and submit.
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
http://www.islamicity.com/science/


please dont reply if you disagree. I dislike blatent and complete arrogance.
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With those remarks I just have to. :D

Bend and twist any way you want. After scientists discovered facts, the ones that theists like, said "See, it is in my Holy Book". :rollseyes The others they just deny. :?

Any way, I have no dog in this hunt. I’m going to back into my corner and just look. :skeleton:
 
wilberhum said:
After scientists discovered facts, the ones that theists like, said "See, it is in my Holy Book". :
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i just have one statement,

anything science may discover which controdicts with the quran and sunnah i will blatently and confidently reject, and i am equally confident that you will later find the quran and saheeh sunnah to be more true then the scientific theories.

I can give you examples over examples such as the shape of the earth and the reflection of the moon etc but you yourself claim kufr (disbelief) so thats what you will do in what is so blatently obvious.


may Allah guide you. I mean it, you have some intelligence, subhanAllah i wish you would just consider what many orientalists themself have found, islam borrows NOTHING from nowhere, its all from God, and anything which controdicts us (islam) will eventually fade for falsehood is bound to fade!
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
i just have one statement,

anything science may discover which controdicts with the quran and sunnah i will blatently and confidently reject, and i am equally confident that you will later find the quran and saheeh sunnah to be more true then the scientific theories.

I can give you examples over examples such as the shape of the earth and the reflection of the moon etc but you yourself claim kufr (disbelief) so thats what you will do in what is so blatently obvious.


may Allah guide you. I mean it, you have some intelligence, subhanAllah i wish you would just consider what many orientalists themself have found, islam borrows NOTHING from nowhere, its all from God, and anything which controdicts us (islam) will eventually fade for falsehood is bound to fade!
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:salamext:

Beat me to it....lol....agreed :thumbs_up
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
i just have one statement,

anything science may discover which controdicts with the quran and sunnah i will blatently and confidently reject, and i am equally confident that you will later find the quran and saheeh sunnah to be more true then the scientific theories.

I can give you examples over examples such as the shape of the earth and the reflection of the moon etc but you yourself claim kufr (disbelief) so thats what you will do in what is so blatently obvious.


may Allah guide you. I mean it, you have some intelligence, subhanAllah i wish you would just consider what many orientalists themself have found, islam borrows NOTHING from nowhere, its all from God, and anything which controdicts us (islam) will eventually fade for falsehood is bound to fade!
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Why don't you start a thread titled "Things science discovered Because they were in a holy book" and give us your long list.

Now just let me go back into my corner and just look.
:enough!:
 
lavikor201 said:
Most likely not, however, you will find the studying the Torah and Talmud about 21 out of the 24 hours of the day.!
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This affects me how?

lavikor201 said:
You wouldn't want to get into religious discussions because many of them have already memorized the majority of your holiest scriptures (christians, muslims, mormans) and know how to refute missionaries quickly and accuratly.
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I am sure that would prove interesting! I tend to find that jacks of all trades are masters of none!

lavikor201 said:
And they may become very angry if your not modestly dressed.
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You make this assumption why? Yes I forget they ask people to strip at checkpoint!

lavikor201 said:
After that, then yeah, come to Israel, and I would love to take you on a tour!
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Again assuming I haven't already been there-- but thanks for the offer!
 

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