What Would Jesus (pbuh) Be?

[Grace Seeker]

Jesus never mentioned that it was pork . Would you eat the cockroaches , worms and insects that are found in the sewage ?No ! So the same applies to the Pig as it feed on waste products

Now, you are using an argument that one should not eat food that might cause poor health. I grant that. And it may be, because of health concerns, that one would be wise not to eat pork (or fattened beef for that matter). But the argument of uncleanness for which Jews do not eat pork has is because of ritual, not environmental, uncleanness. And for Muslims it is never specified in the Qur'an at all. You can make all of the assumptions as to why it is that Allah made the command, but he never answers why. He only says do not, and so you don't. That's called obedience and a very good thing. But, please, don't force your ethic nor the command God gave the Jews on us. God never said any such thing to us Gentile Christians. And all of the evidence of scripture that exists with regard to Gentile followers of Jesus is that there are no dietary restricts except that of not offending a weaker brother.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Bear in mind that the definition of a Muslim in the linguistic sense is a person who submits. In a religious context, it refers to a person who submits themselves to God. Therefore, it is absolutely correct in this sense to say that Jesus and Moses were Muslims.

Woodrow and I had an interesting conversation on this about a year ago. We realized that since being a Muslims is also applied to any person who seeks to submit to God, even if they are a poor Muslim that they are a Muslim and that other Muslims should judge them, for that is for Allah alone to do. And since being a Christian can be defined as being a follower of Jesus, even an imperfect follower. That this means that I, as a person who does seek to be obedient to God in my life and submit my will to his will and Woodrow who honors and respects Jesus and believes that what Jesus taught was Islam which he follows, that very curiously by definition he is a disciple of Christ and I am a follower of Islam. Just don't expect either of us to post those as our "way of life" status.

 

[Grace Seeker]

"By what comes out of a man defileth a man ", he means waste products such as excreta.

You need to read Matthew again: "What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' " (Matthew 15:11) Excreta is not something that comes out of a person's mouth.


And in Mark, Jesus goes on to be even more specific about the things that come out of a person:

Mark 7
"What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.' "

No place in either passage is excreta even close to what is being discussed. Your interpretation of the passage is denied by the text itself.

 

[Grace Seeker]

That's very interesting, Supreme. Your comment really got me wondering.

Which is the more important and meaningful?

• Wishing somebody the peace of God by saying it in a specific way, or
• Wishing somebody the peace of God by demonstrating it through attitude and actions (whatever they may be)?

Of course that's not to say that you cannot do both - say the words and demonstrate them through actions.
But I would suggest that simply saying the words, without the right intentions attached, would be meaningless ...

Any thoughts?

I would say that this gets much closer to the context of what Jesus was saying with regard to it not being what goes into a person, but what comes out of them that makes him/her unclean than that which our Muslim friends have thus far advanced as application of the passage(s).

 

[Grace Seeker]

1+1+1 = 3 and NOT one , but the christian response is

No, Airforce, the Christian response is that 1+1+1 does indeed equal 3, we never claim otherwise. But it is also irrelevant to any discussion of the Trinity, for that mathematical formula is simply NOT an accurate depiction of what Christians mean when we speak of God being 3 persons, yet one God. The fact that you continue to think that Christians are saying 1+1+1=3 when we are not only highlights the reality that you are the one saying, "la la la la, I'm not listening to you, la la la."

If I was to use a mathematical sentence as some sort of symbolic representation of what Christians mean when discussing the Trinity it would be to speak of 1 to the third power. And that is indeed still exactly 1.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Looking at the destruction what the swine flu has done , I do believe that and Thats the reason why God forbid it in the first place in both the Quran and the Bible

Again, you don't know the reason that God forbade the eating of pork in the Qur'an, for God never says why. So, perhaps you should avoid pork out of obedience to your understanding of Allah's will, but quit speculating on God's motivation when he keeps it to himself and for the reason give the more standard Islamic response, "Allah knows best."

 

[Grace Seeker]

The Bible prohibits the eating of pork.

By Jews. The Bible never prohibts it of non-Jews.

Beyond lacking that basic understanding, you also tend to disagree with yourself with this very post.



You admit: "According to Matthew and Mark, Jesus said that all foods are clean." So, since Matthew and Mark are part of the Bible, it seem rather obvious that the Bible doesn't do what you said it does. It is only the Jewish which prohibits the consumption of pork, and not all Christians, even at the tiime of the New Testament, are Jews. So, if you want to talk about a moot point, the biggest moot point in all of this is:

the Jewish Law clearly prohibits the consumption of pork!

Notice how the deceptive editors placed a note (in brackets) claiming that Jesus made all foods clean. This is clearly false, and Jesus never uttered these words.

The brackets referred to are found in Mark 7:19:

"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.") He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' (Mark 7:18-20)

But are they deceptive? No. Rather that make it clear that the comment -Jesus declared all food clean- is not the very words of Jesus but Mark's interpretation of what Jesus said. No deception there. Since the comment is Mark's, the editors of the NIV could have printed the statement without the brackets, but chose to use brackets as a way of setting Mark's interpretive comment apart from his descriptive account of what Jesus said and did. Rather than deception you have just the opposite, clarification, going on.

This is clearly false, and Jesus never uttered these words.

Now your argument is with Mark, for he says that Jesus did, not the editors of the NIV.

The Gospels were written under the influence of Paul, who rejected the Jewish Law.

I find this interesting. First, neither you nor naidamar has yet to present any evidence of Paul rejecting Jewish Law. Rather you keep pointing to times where he does not impose Jewish Law on non-Jews. There is quite a difference between those two things.

Second, you've extended the influence of Paul beyond the churches that he founded and the letters that he wrote to be behind the Gospels, and apparently all of them. And at the same time you say, "According to Matthew 5:17-20, 23:23, Jesus came to preach the Jewish Law." And then you also say, "The Gentile writers fabricated these words to make Jesus say that all foods are clean, thus supporting the Pauline doctrine."

So, which is it? You can't have it both ways: (1) the Gospels are Pauline innovations to support Jesus abrogating Jewish laws; (2) the Gospels show Jesus came to preach the Jewish law.

And I find it pure fantasy the suggestion that the Matthew is a "Gentile writer."

Jesus said that he had come to uphold the law and not to destroy it one jot or one tithe.

Again, you don't have your facts straight. What Jesus actually said was: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Matthew 5:17 NIV). There is a difference between "uphold" and "fulfill". Jesus does indeed fulfill the law -- that is he completes that purpose for which it is given, and thus brings an end to the need for the written Law or Torah for, as God himself prophesied through the prophet Jeremiah:

Jeremiah 31
31 "The time is coming," declares the LORD,
"when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them, "
declares the LORD.
33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time," declares the LORD.
"I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.

I would like to write more on what it means that Jesus fulfilled the Law, as there seems to be great misunderstanding regarding what is meant by that statement, but I think I've written enough for one evening.

 

[Ramadhan]

Jesus called God by the name "Father".

Name one Muslim who does even one of these things. I wonder what will be the response of the Muslim world when Jesus does return and refers to God as "my Father"?

Actually, if you ask any muslim, we all cannot wait for the day when Jesus pbuh returns.

And peace to you.

 

[glo]

Actually, if you ask any muslim, we all cannot wait for the day when Jesus pbuh returns.

And peace to you.

Yes, that's something we can agree on. That will be an amazing day!

Some people hope that is will be the day when they can turn round to followers of other religions and say "See, I told you so!"

Me, I hope that Jesus will blow us away with his mercy and love, and forgive our faults and misunderstandings ... and that - at last - we will see (and of course accept!) the whole truth with complete clarity:

Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known

Come, Lord Jesus!

 

[Ramadhan]

You said this:

Some people hope that is will be the day when they can turn round to followers of other religions and say "See, I told you so!"

And then immediately you said this:

Me, I hope that Jesus will blow us away with his mercy and love, and forgive our faults and misunderstandings ... and that - at last - we will see (and of course accept!) the whole truth with complete clarity:
Come, Lord Jesus!

Can't you see that you were doing exactly what you abhor, or shall i spell for you the word "h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e"?

 

[glo]

^
No, I can't see it, naidamar. Do you mind explaining it to me?

 

[Ramadhan]

Some people hope that is will be the day when they can turn round to followers of other religions and say "See, I told you so!"

This sentence shows you hate people who claim that Jesus pbuh will return to validate their own beliefs, be it Islam or christianity.


But this following sentence clearly shows your hope/expectation that when Jesus pbuh returns he should follow your scenario. (which i find rather disturbing, to expect god -remember that you regard him as your god- to do what you think is ideal)

Me, I hope that Jesus will blow us away with his mercy and love, and forgive our faults and misunderstandings ... and that - at last - we will see (and of course accept!) the whole truth with complete clarity:

Come, Lord Jesus!

 

[glo]

This sentence shows you hate people who claim that Jesus pbuh will return to validate their own beliefs, be it Islam or christianity.

That's a big assumption you are making there!

I can't think of anybody I hate at all, certainly not people who claim that Jesus will validate their beliefs when he returns.
I do, however, dislike people who display a self-righteous attitude of 'I-am-better-than-you-and-I-will-let-you-feel-it'.
If Jesus returns and condemns most of the world population to punishment in hell because they didn't get their beliefs just right, then it would break my heart and I would plead for those condemned (whether I am in that group myself or not)!

But this following sentence clearly shows your hope/expectation that when Jesus pbuh returns he should follow your scenario. (which i find rather disturbing, to expect god -remember that you regard him as your god- to do what you think is ideal)

Again, you are quite mistaken.

I don't expect God to do anything! Who am I to tell God what he should or should not do?
But it doesn't stop me from making a petition on behalf of humanity and offering that petition to God in prayer. Do you not pray for others too?

Now, brother, please refrain from putting words into my mouth or making assumption about what I do or do not think and feel. You simply cannot know ...

God's peace be with you, naidamar.

 

[Ramadhan]

Jesus worshipped YAHWEH.

Jesus worshipped in the temple.

Jesus called God by the name "Father".

Name one Muslim who does even one of these things. I wonder what will be the response of the Muslim world when Jesus does return and refers to God as "my Father"?

Last time I checked, it was all christians who claim to be follower of Jesus pbuh, their sepherd, not muslims.
Or have you now renounced Jesus pbuh and expect muslims to follow practices of jesus Pbuh.

Let's recall again what Jesus pbuh did (and let's think if any christian does those):

These are the things Jesus pbuh would do:

"And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt"

{Matthew 26:39}

-Not eating pork (leviticus 11:7, Deuteronomy 14:8)

-Praying from dawn to evening (Psalms 113:3)

-Supplicating with hands raised (1 Kings 8:54, Nehemiah 8:6)

-No alcohol (Luke 1:15)

-Fasting (Matthew 4:2 - 5:6 - 6-16)

-Greetings (all prophets greeted by "peace be upon you (pbuh)!" Translation: "al salamu aleikum" as all muslims of today great each other... John 20:19-21-26, Luke 24:36, Matthew 10:12-13)

-Muslim frequently use the phrase "Insha Allah" (James 4:14-15)

-Charity (Leviticus 27:30-33)

-No interest (psalms 15:5, Exodus 22:25)

-Circumcision (Luke 2:21)

-Woman with veil on her hair (1corinthians 11:6)

-Taking of shoes in holy worship places (exodus 3:5 - Joshua 5:15 - Acts 7-33)

-Ablution before praying (Exodus 40:31-32)

-Following the lunar calendar (Isaiah 66:23)

-Pilgrimage (deuteronomy 12:5-7)

 

[Ramadhan]

That's a big assumption you are making there!

I can't think of anybody I hate at all, certainly not people who claim that Jesus will validate their beliefs when he returns.
I do, however, dislike people who display a self-righteous attitude of 'I-am-better-than-you-and-I-will-let-you-feel-it'.
If Jesus returns and condemns most of the world population to punishment in hell because they didn't get their beliefs just right, then it would break my heart and I would plead for those condemned (whether I am in that group myself or not)!

OK i apologize, "hate" was the wrong word I chose, but still you dislike those who claim that Jesus pbuh will return according to their own expectations, and then you wrote this:

Me, I hope that Jesus will blow us away with his mercy and love, and forgive our faults and misunderstandings ... and that - at last - we will see (and of course accept!) the whole truth with complete clarity:

Come, Lord Jesus!

That is your own expectations of what jesus pbuh would do when he returns.

 

[glo]

OK i apologize, "hate" was the wrong word I chose, but still you dislike those who claim that Jesus pbuh will return according to their own expectations.

Thank you for your apology, naidamar.

I reiterate what I said in my last post: I do not dislike people for believing that Jesus will return according to their own expectations. It is part of what they believe - why should I dislike them for it?

My original statement was this:

Some people hope that is will be the day when they can turn round to followers of other religions and say "See, I told you so!"

Thereby, what I dislike is not people believing that Jesus will validate their faith, but the glee and self-righteousness with which they seem to hope for followers of other faiths to get what they deserve!
Such an attitude speaks of judgmentalism and pride - and neither are desirable character traits.

Does that make it a little clearer to you what exactly it is that I dislike?

That is your own expectations of what jesus pbuh would do when he returns.

Again, I repeat what I said in my last post:

I don't expect God to do anything! Who am I to tell God what he should or should not do?
But it doesn't stop me from making a petition on behalf of humanity and offering that petition to God in prayer. Do you not pray for others too?

It is not my expectation of what Jesus will do when he returns, but it is my sincere hope and prayer.
I pray that all people who have sincerely sought to know God, do his will and serve him will find Jesus' favour!
I pray that those who tried to believe in God, but found there were unable to do so, will see the truth and accept it, and will still be granted paradise!

If I am wrong to wish that, and if I should be more judgmental and hard-hearted, then that's just too bad! I will leave it to God to show me otherwise.
Until such time I will continue to hold the world up in prayer to God, and ask for his mercy and love for all us sinners, because I believe that judging others and hating our neighbours is completely contrary to the teachings of Jesus!

 

[Grace Seeker]

Last time I checked, it was all christians who claim to be follower of Jesus pbuh, their sepherd, not muslims.
Or have you now renounced Jesus pbuh and expect muslims to follow practices of jesus Pbuh.

I don't know what you are talking about. You've more than once made a list of the things that Jesus is shown doing in the scriptures that are similar to Muslim practices today, and then from that you have, rather haughtingly (IMO), insinuated that Jesus must be a Muslim and that when he returns that he will return as a Muslim.

But you totally ignore other things that it is reported that Jesus did that no Muslim would do. I'm just pointing out that I find your proof-texting rather selective.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Naidamar, I want to thank you for initiating this thread. It has been an interesting conversation, wide-ranging in many aspects, but on the whole respectful of how other people see things.

Of course in asking your question:

If Jesus pbuh lived today, what would he be?

We each tend to have our own picture of who Jesus was and is, and I believe that what this thread shows is that such impressions greatly influence how we anticipate Jesus to behave if Jesus lived today. The religious traditions we come from so influence us that it is hard to simply let Jesus be, we have to force him into our own mold -- though we are likely to resist the idea that we are shaping Jesus, for each us probably thinks that he/she is just acknowledging Jesus for who he was and then setting him back in that context today.


So, I'm not sure that any of us have really learned much about Jesus, but the careful reader has much information available with regard to how other posters see Jesus.


For myself, when I consider the question of what would Jesus be, I'm trying to recall no so much what the specific practices of Jesus were (what he ate, drank, slept), but the approach he took with people. I notice how Jesus turned the religious order of his day on its head, always challenging the preconceptions of the religious leaders and making himself available to those that were otherwise outcast. For me, to ask the question about Jesus in today's world means to ask:
Who would Jesus be challenging for thinking they had all of the answers when they didn't?
How much do I myself need to be careful lest I be among those he criticizes?
Who would Jesus be welcoming and making room for that perhaps I am not?
Perhaps most importantly of all, am I seeking to actually serve Jesus and his will or am I mostly concerned about pontificating and having others conform to my own religious views with a few of Jesus' words/actions sprinkled among them, but there mostly for show?

And the really hard part about asking these questions, is that I don't think that any of us can ever know for sure until we are actually in that moment. I suspect that when he actually does appear, Jesus is going to challenge many of the things that over the years we (Christian, Muslim, and total non-believer) have come to accept as a part of our respective traditions and beliefs, and those who are truly more committed to their own set of dogmas more than they are to the person of Jesus himself are going to be left on the sidelines looking in.

 

[glo]

For myself, when I consider the question of what would Jesus be, I'm trying to recall no so much what the specific practices of Jesus were (what he ate, drank, slept), but the approach he took with people. I notice how Jesus turned the religious order of his day on its head, always challenging the preconceptions of the religious leaders and making himself available to those that were otherwise outcast.
For me, to ask the question about Jesus in today's world means to ask:

Who would Jesus be challenging for thinking they had all of the answers when they didn't?

How much do I myself need to be careful lest I be among those he criticizes?

Who would Jesus be welcoming and making room for that perhaps I am not?

Perhaps most importantly of all, am I seeking to actually serve Jesus and his will or am I mostly concerned about pontificating and having others conform to my own religious views with a few of Jesus' words/actions sprinkled among them, but there mostly for show?

Much food for thought.
Thank you so much, Grace Seeker, for your challenging and thought-provoking post.

 

[Predator]

(Matthew 15:11) Excreta is not something that comes out of a person's mouth.

If you talk about any matter that comes out of mouth , that would be saliva , vomit etc

And in Mark, Jesus goes on to be even more specific about the things that come out of a person

:

Good advice, knowledge and wisdom also comes out of good person which is useful to anyone regardless of their belief.

You cant speculate about what he meant , he never ate Pork and he explicitly said "you gentiles can now eat pork ",just like how he never said " I am God" or "Worship Me" pigs have always killed and will continue to kill and dont see the label on you head whether you are christian , Muslim or a jew or an atheist

I stand by what i said ,its a Pauline innovation

we speak of God being 3 persons, yet one God

The fact that you continue to think that
Christians are saying 1+1+1=3 when we are not only highlights the reality that you are the one saying, "la la la la, I'm not listening to you, la la la."

All i can say If you believe in the below verse
John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Why three ? why not one ? You believe in 3 person instead of one , then you are a polytheist trinitarian Pagan so its you saying again

God is not a person that can exists in 3 states like solid , liquid and gas ,below video illustrates it better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_AgcLjXruY

Again, you don't know the reason that God forbade the eating of pork in the Qur'an, for God never says why. So, perhaps you should avoid pork out of obedience to your understanding of Allah's will, but quit speculating on God's motivation when he keeps it to himself

Its you who is doing the speculating you said God said all food are cleans ,

Paul loved the taste of Pork and couldnt digest the fact that it was forbidden in both Quran and the Law ,and then he ignored all the danger that came from eating pork.

Does all mean all in your language .That includes all scientifically proven filthy pigs worms , roaches, bugs that will definitly harm are all Clean and fit for consumption .

Jesus came to fulfill the law and he would be a liar if he declared every food clean. Use common sense instead of believing the words of deceptive writers who write the book with their own hands and then say "this is from God"

But the argument of uncleanness for which Jews do not eat pork has is because of ritual, not environmental, uncleanness.

Wrong

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; " .

"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you."

[Leviticus 11:7-8]

When God forbids something , he does it for a reason out of concern and mercy for us to protect us from harm.

Eating of pork can cause no less than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most dangerous is Taenia Solium, which is in lay man’s terminology called tapeworm. It harbours in the intestine and is very long. Its ova i.e. eggs, enter the blood stream and can reach almost all the organs of the body. If it enters the brain it can cause memory loss. If it enters the heart it can cause heart attack, if it enters the eye it can cause blindness, if it enters the liver it can cause liver damage. It can damage almost all the organs of the body.

Another dangerous helminthes is Trichura Tichurasis. A common misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die. In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of twenty-four people suffering from Trichura Tichurasis, twenty two had cooked the pork very well. This indicates that the ova present in the pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.
The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives on muck, faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that God has produced. In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta is cleared by pigs.

Now your argument is with Mark, for he says that Jesus did, not the editors of the NIV.

Show me where Jesus " you can eat pork"

There is a difference between "uphold" and "fulfill". Jesus does indeed fulfill the law -- that is he completes that purpose for which it is given, and thus brings an end to the need for the written Law or Torah for, as God himself prophesied through the prophet Jeremiah:

There is no difference between uphold and fulfill. Both mean the same -maintenance of the law

For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

But, please, don't force your ethic nor the command God gave the Jews on us

No one is forcing anything , you are free to enjoy pork all you want And you dont try telling senseless rubbish that all foods are clean, because that can be proven false easily

And What do you mean " God gave the Jews" ? Its a command that God has given to all the human beings because they are unclean and I agree with that verse , as we found these Pigs mostly near the garbage cans eating almost anything like faeces and dirt and then act as a storehouse of diseases .You talk as if the pigs or the tapeworms see your label on your head whether you are a christian and then chose not to harm you .

God never legalized pork . its a paul's "innovation" just like wine which caused drunkness ,accidents , murder , etc

And there are several reasons why Paul should not be trusted

Paul never met Jesus in his life. This is one of the main reasons to not trust and believe in Paul. Before his self-claimed apostleship, his name was Saul and he used to be a murderer of the true believers. On the road to Damascus, while on assignment to harass the true believers, he claims to have seen a vision of Christ, after which, he claimed, that Jesus gave him the authority to teach in his name.



There are many problems here.

Since he never met Jesus, common sense says that he has nothing to do with the religion and when we read what he has to say, we find that he really has nothing to do with the true religion of Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him).



Lets take a look at Paul’s vision as he describes it to various different people of different races.



1. In ACTS 9:3, it is stated that only Paul fell to the ground on seeing the light. Verse 7 says that others with him stood speechless.

2. ACTS 26:14 says they ALL fell to the ground.

3. ACTS 9:7 states that the people who journeyed with Paul didn't see anyone but heard a voice.

4. ACTS 22:9 says that those who were with Paul saw the light but DID NOT hear the voice of the speaker.

The above are clear contradictions and any man would immediately reject Paul completely after reading these verses. If these are just clear lies and Paul has forgotten where he said what, then it is nothing more than his stupidity but if he is deliberately using this technique to tell different stories to different people, then this technique is still yet present. Such a technique has laid a very important base of the Church i.e. adopt an approach that suits the person. Festivals like Christmas; Halloween etc have nothing to do with Christianity but the Church has introduced them into it following the footsteps of Paul.



"But be it so, I did not burden you nevertheless, being crafty, I CAUGHT YOU WITH GUILE."

(2 CORINTHIANS 12:16)

…and with it, he lies again,

1 Thess. 2:3
"For the appeal we make does not spring from error or impure motives, nor are we trying to trick you."

“I say the truth in Christ, I lie not"

(Rom. 9:1, 1 Tim. 2:7)

Paul has introduced this concept of flexibility into Christianity and the Church.
Paul is against the teachings of Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him).



Jesus says…


Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever will break one least of these commandments and shall teach men so shall be called last in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you unless your righteosness exceeds the righteosness of the Scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter the kingdom of heaven.
Mathew 5:17-20



Paul says...

'Christians' are dead to the Law of God through the body of Christ.
(Romans 7:14)


Paul has destroyed the law.

Paul is the inventor of original sin (ROMANS 5:12, 1 CORINTHIANS 15:21-22).

Original sin does not exist:

“The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.”
The Bible is very clear that no person will be responsible for the sins of others. Each person is answerable for himself alone and cannot blame it on Adam and Eve.

(Deuteronomy 24:16)

Paul is a blasphemer

For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.
(1 Corinthians 1:25)

Leviticus 24:16
anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death.

Jesus said...

But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, ' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.
(Matthew 5:22)


Paul said…

“Thou fool, that which thou sows is not quickened, except it die”

(1 Cor. 15:36)


Paul believed Jesus rose from the dead as a spirit, not a physical body.
It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
(1 Corinthians 15:44)

I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
(1 Corinthians 15:50)

The truth is that Jesus ascended to Heaven in a physical body (Luke 24:51).


Paul denied the stories of Elijah and Eliza resurrecting dead bodies to their former state (2Kgs. 17:20-23).



He also denies the Prophets. His denying these stories shows that he considered the Old Testament to be corrupt as false stories were in it.



Paul considers the Old Testament to be corrupt.


He denies, God, Jesus, other Prophets, he opposes Barnabas and Peter strictly because they teach this;They both taught Islam, no divinity of Jesus and no crucifixion.


Doctor Paul’s advise, don’t drink water, drink only wine.

"Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities"

(1 Tim. 5:23)



Paul says…


Rom. 12:14
"Bless them which persecute you: bless and curse not."



But he also says…


Acts 23:3
"God shall smite thee, thou whited wall."

Jesus says that he is sent only for Israel in Matthew 10:5 and Matthew 15:24 and that salvation is for Jews in John 4:22 but Paul says that Jesus’ message is also for Gentiles in Acts 13:47, 18:6, 28:28, Rom. 15:16, Eph. 3:8, Acts 20:21, 26:17-18, 20, 23, 22:21, Rom. 1:5, 13, 3:29, 11:11-13, 15:9, Gal. 2:2, 7-9, 3:14, Eph. 3:6, 1 Tim. 2:7, 3:16, 2 Tim. 4:17.


Paul said…



"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ...."

(2 Cor. 5:10)



Jesus said…



"Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man"

(John 8:15)

"...who made me a judge and a divider over you?"

(Luke 12:14)



"...for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world"

(John 12:47) and (John 8:50).

Paul’s teachings are in contradiction to the teachings of the disciples as well but since he teaches what Jesus did not teach, these proofs are sufficient for us to reject Paul completely.

Is having long hair a shameful act?


"Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?"

(1 Cor. 11:14)



All the idols that Christians make of Jesus, against the commands of God, have Jesus in long hair in them.
Would Hitler be in Christian heaven?

"I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men"

(Acts 20:26)

A few of Paul’s murders are listed below. He is a murderer but still he says that he is free from any sin of murder. This way, even Hitler would be in Christian heaven as murder is a very minor sin and anyone can get away with it.

"And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women"

(Acts 22:4)

"...many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them"

(Acts 26:10)
"Saul, yet breathing out threatening and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord...."

(Acts 9:1)

The list of Paul’s murders of the true believers is a very long one. He seems to have adopted the strategy of “If you can’t beat them, join them” but with his own intentions. Those intentions are very clear to everyone, “To destroy the true religion” of Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him).