Whats wrong with Palestine?

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Israel's crimes are very bad against palestinians in many cases, but Palestinian crimes ared equaly as bad. I won't let one side be taken down while another side remains guilty yet the hypocrites refuse to be critical of them as well.

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It is always nice to see someone look at both sides of the coin.

IMHO if any of you are looking for "The Good Guys", they left a long time ago.
 
UN: Peace is hampered by West Bank growth


The United Nations has issued a stark warning on the eve of Tony Blair's first full working trip as international Middle East envoy that the steady growth of Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank is undermining the prospects for peace.

The hard-hitting report by some of the UN's top Middle East experts suggests that the break-up of the West Bank into dozens of enclaves because of the settlements – which, along with the roads and military apparatus that serve them, take up almost 40 per cent of the West Bank.

The report points out that the population of the Jewish West Bank settlements – illegal under international law – is growing at a rate of 5.5 per cent annually, three times the rate in Israel itself. Unchecked, it will lead to unsustainable competition, for resources such as water and land, with a Palestinian population that is itself growing at a rate of 2.5 per cent per year.

It says the roads have become "corridors to link settlements to Israel" and "have fragmented the West Bank into a series of enclaves, isolating Palestinian communities from each other." And it warns that while a network of checkpoints, alternative roads, tunnels and bridges bypassing settler-reserved roads provides a "measure of transport contiguity" which may satisfy "short term humanitarian needs", this cannot lead "to a sustainable economy" or "provide the basis for a two-state solution."



By Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem
Published: 02 September 2007

Independent. UK


http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2919646.ece
 
West Bank Boys Dig a Living in Settler Trash


By STEVEN ERLANGER
Published: September 2, 2007



AD DEIRAT, West Bank, Aug. 30 — As the truck unloads, the children pounce on the garbage like flies. Some swing aloft on the hydraulic pistons that open the back, then drop onto the mound of trash to grab a piece of metal, a crushed can, a soda bottle or a stinking T-shirt.

The boys are part of a loose-knit colony of scavengers, nearly 250 people who scramble over fetid hills of other people’s trash to eke out a living for their families and themselves. Most are younger than 16; some sleep here during the week to maximize the hours they can hunt for goods to sell.


Nytimes----- Must watch the pic by opening the link, please

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/02/world/middleeast/02westbank.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
 
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Five Children In One Week

By Haaretz Editorial
Last update - 09:32 31/08/2007

The Israeli public reacted to these killings, just like it did to the killing of two other children several days earlier, with near complete apathy.

This indifference is dangerous because it does not encourage greater care in identifying targets.

Israel cannot behave like a terrorist organization that targets civilians, even when the shooting comes in response to an attack.

There is no dispute over the fact that the children were killed near rocket launchers.

However, the people near rocket launchers are usually civilians, and not the operating crews.

The killing of Palestinian children is certainly not contributing to the safety of the children in Sderot, but rather only increases the urge to avenge their deaths and to harm children on the other side.

While there are signs that the atmosphere in the West Bank is changing - the rescue of an IDF officer by Palestinian security forces is an expression of this - but talk of making the daily life of civilians easier by decreasing the number of roadblocks has, for now, proven to be empty words.

Source:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=899399
 
The Sorrows of Occupation

By GEORGE LONGSTETH
and KAREN LONGSTETH



Our experience in the West Bank this summer gave us a view seldom seen by Americans of Palestinian life under Israeli military occupation. We observed widespread anguish and economic and social deprivation from Israeli actions.

Among the most deleterious Israeli policies is restriction of mobility. About 40 percent of the West Bank is off-limits to Palestinians. There are more than 120 settlements built on confiscated land and separate roads for the 250,000 Israeli settlers. More than 600 vehicle checkpoints and obstacles slow travel in the West Bank, an area slightly smaller than Delaware.

The largely completed wall isolating the West Bank from Israel, often termed a "fence" in Israeli news media, will extend 403 miles, over four times the length of the Berlin Wall.

Disregard for Palestinian property also includes destruction of olive trees, replacing orchards with barren land or rows of stumps, as we observed near Hebron. Many West Bankers who were born in East Jerusalem are restricted from their birthplace, only a few miles away. A West Bank nurse, born in Gaza, has been denied permission from Israel for 10 years to visit his family in Gaza.

Israel controls the water and, per person, Israeli settlers use several times as much as Palestinians who rely on rooftop reservoirs when the Israelis turn off the supply, as we experienced in Ramallah.

Israeli policies in the West Bank seem designed to eliminate Palestinians by making life so difficult for them that they leave. A Palestinian Red Crescent official told us that Israel discourages foreign humanitarian workers from coming to the West Bank because "they don't want the world to see what they are doing."



September 1 / 2, 2007


http://www.counterpunch.org/longstreth09012007.html
 
I read this on the water situation, I am not sure if it is completly on topic, but please tell me if it is relevant:

In the years immediately following the 1967 war, water resources for the West Bank improved considerably. The water system in the southern Hebron region, for instance, was expanded. New wells were drilled near Jenin, Nablus and Tulkarm. More than 60 towns in the West Bank were given new water supply systems, or had antiquated ones upgraded by the Israeli administration in the territories.

In the late 1970's and early 1980's, however, the Middle East suffered from one of the worst droughts in modern history. Water in the Jordan River and Sea of Galilee dropped to critical levels. The situation deteriorated further at the beginning of the 1990's and has continued to be a problem in the new millennium.

Under these conditions, the Israeli government restricted the drilling of new wells on the West Bank. It had little choice because the West Bank and Israel share the same water table, and the drawing off of fresh water resources could promote saline water seepage.

Arab farmers on the West Bank are served by approximately 100 springs and 300 wells — many dug decades ago and now overutilized. Restrictions on over-exploitation of shallow wells were meant to prevent seepage or total depletion of saline water. Some wells were dug so that Jewish villages could tap new, deep aquifers never before used. These water pools as a rule do not draw from the shallower Arab sources.

At the end of 1991, a conference was scheduled in Turkey to discuss regional water problems. The meeting was torpedoed by Syria. The Syrians, Jordanians and Palestinians all boycotted the multilateral talks in Moscow in January 1992, which included a working group on water issues.

Following the Oslo agreements, Palestinians were more interested in cooperating on water issues. At the meeting of the multilateral working group in Oman in April 1994, an Israeli proposal to rehabilitate and make more efficient water systems in medium-sized communities (in the West Bank/Gaza, Israel and elsewhere in the region) was endorsed. About the same time, a Palestinian Water Authority was created as called for in the Israeli-Palestinian Declaration of Principles.

In November 1994, the working group met in Greece and the Israelis, Jordanians, and Palestinians agreed to begin discussion on principles or guidelines for cooperation on water issues. Further progress was made on a variety of issues during the 1995 meeting in Amman and the 1996 meeting in Tunisia. The working groups have not met since.

Israel has not cut the amount of water allocated to the Palestinian Authority (PA) and is planning to examine the possibility of increasing it despite the cut in water allocations within Israel and the requirement of supplying considerable amounts of water to Jordan as mandated by the peace treaty.

In contrast to claims by the Palestinian side, Israel did not even determine the amount of water to be supplied to the territories. The amount was specified in negotiations between the two sides, with the Americans participating. By the consent of both parties, the amount of water was increased relative to the situation prior to the Interim Agreement. Similarly, a formula was decided upon for increasing the water allocation gradually over the interim period.

The negotiations also led to agreements defining the number of wells that Israel is obligated to dig, and the number the PA and international bodies are obligated to dig. Cooperation on issues of sewage and environment were also defined. It was further decided that jurisdiction over water would be transferred to the Palestinians in the framework of the transfer of civil powers, and that the water situation would be supervised by joint monitoring teams

Israel has fulfilled all of her obligations under the Interim Agreement. The water quota agreed upon, and more, is being supplied. Jurisdiction over water was transferred completely and on time, and Israel approved the additional digging of wells. Israel and the PA carry out joint patrols to locate cases of water theft and other water-related problems.

The water issue for the Palestinians actually has little to do with Israel. According to the U.S. Agency for International Development, “The West Bank and Gaza suffer from a chronic water shortage, preventing sustained economic growth and negatively impacting the environment and health of Palestinians. The little water available is inefficiently used.” The analysis adds that “Palestinian ground water supplies have increasingly become polluted as a result of inadequate sewage treatment and over-pumping of wells. Untreated sewage is dumped in valleys and the Mediterranean Sea, decreasing the quality of the already inadequate groundwater supply, and polluting the soil, sea, and coastline.”*

*Water Resource Development," USAID West Bank and Gaza - http://www.usaid.gov/wbg/program_water.htm

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Ahsan: "WB Settlement growth..." Give it up. We left Gaza 2 years ago almost to the day as well as 5 major Arab areas of the "WB." We planned to leave the reast within 18 months (minus 4 to 6 percent which would be offset by 4 to 6 percent of our land) but then HAMAS rained on the parade.

Noone in their right mind would suggest we leace with the chaos on hand. Funny though, HAMAS finally had the chance they claimed to have wanted and di dabsolutely nothing with it save ruin it like the 1 billion plus US hothouse industry left in Gaza, intact and totally demolished witrhin 2 weeks of our last soldier leaving.

What is the point about the scanvengers? That ther is poverty there? That is their fault, not ours. We did not make them refuse statehood for 86 years.

"WB Occupatrion." Again, the PA operates far more checkpoints and does sop ineptly. the average wait at an Israeli point is 20 minutes, at a PA point is is close to 2 hours.

"Barrier termd a fence." Well, less than 20 perecent is a wall of any kind so fence is entirely accurate.

"Destruction of olive trees." First, Arabs are usurpers there. They have never had a nation there and are native only to Hejaz in what is now Arabia. Second, any house anywhere in "WB" is built atop the ruins of Jewish houses. thirs, the only trees uprooted are those less than 300 meters from a roadso as to negate a firing line for point of ambush. If folks do not like trees being uprooted all they need do to stop it is have their family members and neighbours stop using them for ambushes.

"Restricted from birthplaces..." Only when they refused to sign obesiance vows after 48.Almost 2 million Israeli-Arabs have complete freedom of movement.

"Israel controls the water." In 67, when we won the "WB" from then Trans-Jordan, the first thing we did after establishing governance there ws to build a working and ample well in EVERY town on the "WB." Yep we controll it because we made it but no Arab or anyone else is denied any basic services.

"Israel turns off supplies..." Um, no we do not, EVER. Sometimes systems break down, part of life.

"Israel does not want the world to see..." EXCEPT that Israel is the only nation in the world who lets foreigners traipse about its warzones! CCTV is everhwere as are Activist groups like ISM and Checkpoint Watch who sit and film Israeli (never Arab of course) checkpoints 24 hours a day.

"Red Crescent." Same orgasnisation that allows HAMAS andf PIJ to use its facilities and vehichles when performing acts of terror. Yeah, I trust their word...
 
IOA turns Palestinian prisoners into experiment fields for new medicines


Israeli occupation authority (IOA) is turning Palestinian prisoners into experiment fields for their new drugs in clear and flagrant violation of human rights and international conventions on prisoners.

International laws and conventions, including the Geneva Fourth convention among other covenants, urge countries to deal with prisoners in a humanistic manner, and not to expose them to danger. Israel defied those laws and never abided by them as far as the Palestinian captives are concerned.

The Nazis were the first to use such kind of experiments, especially on POWs, resulting in the death of many of them.

3 Sep 2007

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The olive trees of Palestine weep


Universally regarded as the symbol of peace, the olive tree has become the object of violence. For more than forty years, Israel has uprooted over one million olive trees and hundreds of thousands of fruit trees in Palestine with terrible economic and ecological consequences for the Palestinian people. Their willful destruction has so threatened Palestinian culture, heritage and identity that the olive tree has now become the symbol of Palestinian steadfastness because of its own rootedness and ability to survive in a land where water is perennially scarce.

Throughout the centuries, Palestinian farmers have made their living from olive cultivation and olive oil production; 80 percent of cultivated land in the West Bank and Gaza is planted with olive trees. In the West Bank alone, some 100,000 families are dependent on olive sales. Today, the olive harvest provides Palestinian farmers with anywhere between 25 to 50 percent of their annual income, and as the economic crisis deepens, the harvest provides for many their basic means of survival.

On a larger scale, the Israeli military brings in the bulldozers to uproot trees in the way of the "security" wall's route and where they impede the development of infrastructure necessary to service the illegal settlements. Some of these threatened trees are 700 to 1,000 years old and are still producing olives.These precious trees are being replaced by roads, sewerage, electricity, running water and telecommunications networks, Israeli military barracks, training areas, industrial estates and factories leading to massive despoliation of the environment. If Israel has its way, neither the trees nor the Palestinians who have cared for them will survive the barbaric ethnic and environmental cleansing of Palestine.

Such heartbreaking reality has led the Palestinian poet, Mahmoud Darwish, to say, "If the olive trees knew the hands that planted them, their oil would have become tears ..."


by Sonja Karkar

September 04, 2007


http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=107&ItemID=13691
 
Ahsan: Do you even read your sources? You post a claim that Israel performs medical experiments on Arab prisoners...And...it is entirely based on the words of some non-enitity, a statician who claims Arab prisoners are being neglected medically. Well, how does one perform experiments by neglecting? Either they are neglected or they are being experimented on. Such nonsense. Furthermore, the IRC has full access to EACH and EVERYONE of the priosners, so what is this "statician" basing his nonsense on?

Finally, the Zionist as Nazi shtick is sooo passe. Please do come up with something a bit more titlliating.

Hate to break this to you bit the dove is the international symbol of peace, not the olive tree although a dove with an olive branch is also construed as peaceful per Noach (Noah) and the sign from G-D. What is surely not seen as a sign of peace though is the ancient olive trees of my ancestors being coopted by Arabs who do not want statehood. That is nothing if not significant of hatred and chaos.

QUESTION: DO Arabs sometimes use trees by roadsides as cover to iniate terrorist attacks?

Question: Do ALL armies worldwide uproot any barrier with relation to their outer permiter with regard to operating bases?

If yes to either one, you are out of luck. Not only are we uprooting our own trees but are doing so because trees within 300 meters of roads are used regularly by Arab terrorists. If uprooting trees that do not belong to you bothers you in any way here is how to prevent it from happening in the future: STOP THE VIOLENCE. Quite simple really.

Darwish: "If the olive trees knew the hands that planet them"...were Jewish hands they would keel over and die seeing as how they had been coopted by invaders and usurpers.

QUESTION: Was Jesus an Arab?
 
QUESTION: DO Arabs sometimes use trees by roadsides as cover to iniate terrorist attacks?

Question: Do ALL armies worldwide uproot any barrier with relation to their outer permiter with regard to operating bases?

If yes to either one, you are out of luck. Not only are we uprooting our own trees but are doing so because trees within 300 meters of roads are used regularly by Arab terrorists. If uprooting trees that do not belong to you bothers you in any way here is how to prevent it from happening in the future:


QUESTION: Was Jesus an Arab?


By your logic, you should cut all the trees owned by the Palestinians in one go. Afterall it will give the advantage of improved field of fire and you can take on every innocent palestinian passing by.

I don't find any logic in your explanation. These are the actions based on sheer hatred.

And what Jesus has to do with olive trees? Please don't quote any false reference from your sources that all olive trees were planted by Jesus and Israelis have the right to cut them whenever they feel necessary.
 
Palestinians win battle to reroute West Bank barrier


By Donald Macintyre in Gaza
Published: 05 September 2007


Israel's Supreme Court delivered a significant blow to the country's military establishment yesterday by ordering the West Bank separation barrier to be rerouted near a Palestinian village which has been the focus of two-and-a-half years of protests.

A three-judge panel led by Israel's Chief Justice, Dorit Beinish, unanimously rejected the state's defence of the route and ordered the government to come up with an alternative for a mile-long section of the barrier in a "reasonable period of time" to limit the harm to the Palestinian residents of Bili'in.

The residents of Bili'in believe the success of their petition to the court will mean the recovery of around 250 acres of mainly olive orchards which were to have been cut off from the village by the barrier to make way for what they had foreseen as a further planned expansion of the Jewish settlement of Modiin Illit on their land.

In Bili'in jubilant villagers poured out of their homes and schools and headed for the barrier – in this section a fence – and military jeeps gathered as some men brandishing Palestinian flags began to dance chanting: "They demolished the Berlin Wall, we want to demolish the 'Bilin' wall."


Independent. UK


http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2927107.ece
 
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How To Spin A Military Occupation As "Self-Defense"



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Checkpoint checking


THE ARMY and the authorities will always be able to justify the tight security measures they use to keep the Palestinians at arm's length, and so too will the Israeli public themselves. However, what they won't, or can't see is that it's the daily humiliation and hardship that breeds the next generation of bombers, and guarantees the hatred is passed down from father to son and beyond.

The man who returns home without a day's pay to a hungry and desperate family won't blame anyone but the soldier who didn't switch the light from red to green in time for him to clamber aboard the minibus - and neither will his children. The man with no means of getting his ID card back other than coming cap in hand to a group of tirelessly devoted volunteers from Mahsom Watch won't ever forgive the authorities for the misery they put him and his family through. And the man forced to turn collaborator just to put food on the table for his six kids won't ever forget the cruelty of the occupiers who put him in such an awful predicament.

IF WE don't want terror on our doorstep, we'd do well to treat those over the garden fence with at least a modicum of respect and consideration. If we don't; if we refuse to retreat from our entrenched position of mistrust, mistreatment and misanthropy, then there's no hope for any kind of resolution that doesn't involve more bloodshed for years to come.

Unless the call is heeded now by those with the power to help the Palestinians, a bitter harvest will once more be reaped by the very people the army is meant to protect with their actions.


By SETH FREEDMAN

Sep 4, 2007

Jerusalem Post (Israel daily)

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=2&cid=1188392527828&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
 
The lesson of Bil'in

The last four years of Friday afternoon protests at the West Bank village of Bil'in have shown the Israeli occupation at its most robotically stupid, violent and unjust.

Israel still hasn't learned well enough the difference between security and land-grabbing, and it hasn't learned the difference between an angry Palestinian and a life-threatening Palestinian at all.

The Bil'in protests were an effectively non-violent campaign against some of the worst excesses of the occupation, and it won the victory in Israel's highest court. So maybe there's hope, after all.


By LARRY DERFNER

Sep 5, 2007

Jerusalem Post (Israel daily)


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1188392544831&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
 
HRW: Israel attacked Lebanese civilians indiscriminately

In its harshest condemnation of Israel since last summer's war, Human Rights Watch charged that most of the Lebanese civilian casualties came from "indiscriminate Israeli airstrikes," according to a report to be released Thursday.

In a statement issued before the report's release, the human rights organization said there was no basis to the Israeli claim that civilian casualties resulted from Hizbullah guerrillas using civilians as shields.

Human Rights Watch said it investigated 94 cases of Israeli air, artillery and ground attacks "to discern the circumstances surrounding the deaths of 510 civilians and 51 combatants," about half the death toll in Lebanon in the conflict.

6 Sep 2007

Jerusalem Post (Israel daily)

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1188392547032&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
 
Young US Jews 'detached' from Israel


Young American Jews are feeling increasingly alienated and disconnected from Israel, according to a study to be released Thursday by Professors Steven M. Cohen and Ari Y. Kelman. Based on the responses of more than 1,700 non-Orthodox American Jews of all ages, the study indicates that successively younger age groups show a greater detachment from the State of Israel.

"A mounting body of evidence has pointed to a growing distancing from Israel of American Jews, and the distancing seems to be most pronounced among younger Jews. Insofar as younger Jews are less attached to Israel, the inevitable replacement of older with younger birth cohorts leads to growing distancing in the population overall. If so, then American Jews, as a group, may be growing more distant primarily because younger Jews feel less attached to Israel."


6 Sep 2007

Jerusalem Post

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1188392546355&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
 
Children in Palestine: The Facts


1. According to the United Nations Fund for Children (UNICEF): "Conditions have rarely been worse for Palestinian children." One in 10 Palestinian children now suffer from stunted growth due to compromised health, poor diet and nutrition and 50% of Palestinian children are anemic, and 75% of those under 5 suffer from vitamin A deficiency.

2. UNICEF claims that roadblocks, barriers, checkpoints and soldiers are impeding health workers and patients, including child patients, from accessing health centers across the Occupied Palestinian Territory. Delivery of medication and equipment are also severely affected.

3. Rising poverty and unemployment is affecting school attendance across Palestine. In the 2005/6 school year the number of students whose families could not afford the NIS 50 ($11) school fee doubled from 29,000 to 56,000.

4. Up to 67% of families are living in poverty across the West Bank. In Gaza poverty rates have spiraled to 85% this year, severely affecting every aspect of children’s lives.

5. Increasing numbers of Palestinian children are now working to support their families instead of attending school. Palestinian children under the age of 14 can cross Israeli checkpoints without permits, and at least one thousand Palestinian children now cross into Israel every day, to work in garbage tips salvaging glass and metal. More than half of the Palestinian children who work in Israel, or Palestine, do not attend school at all.


Children Killed in Conflict

1. Since September 2000, approximately 883 Palestinian children have been killed in the Occupied Territories.

2. 20,000 Palestinian children have been injured since September 2000. Almost 1,500 of them sustained life-long disabilities.


Child Arrests

Since September 2002 approximately 5,200 Palestinian children have been arrested by the Israeli military. Israel continues to prosecute all children in military courts, to use imprisonment as a first resort, to deny children prompt access to a lawyer, to elicit confessions under interrogation and torture and to attempt to recruit child detainees as collaborators with Israel’s secret security agency.



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