I have not denied anything in this thread, only asked questions. I ask questions because I am willing to be persuaded by good arguments. This is not a "cyberwar" - it's a discussion. I appreciate your efforts to answer my questions - now we will both have reasons to ask more questions about the things we are unsure about.
If this amounts to you being "intellectually dishonest" then I apologise. But I cannot just get on with my beliefs without questioning them and others. I assure you that I have doubts and questions about pretty much every system of belief going - I am a Christian because I have the fewest doubts about Christianity, and have found the evidence for it to be the most compelling.
Peace,
M
what we have here is a failure to communicate!
you must be coming from an assumption that YOUR [not yelling here, just using EXTRA emphasis. i just about flunked English, so it's all i got] "book" the New Testament is a correct book.
NO BORN Muslim will have that assumption unless and until HIS belief systems are corrupted and May Allah protect them from that!
what we kind of have to show you is the OPPOSITE of the "can the Qur'an stand the test" thread, which to ANY Muslim who's studied Qur'anic Revelation is an ABSOLUTE absurdity! i say kind of, because the OTHER route would be to examine how the New Testament came about.
you SEEM unwilling to do that. i could be wrong, Allahu Alum [that is Allah knows best]
if i paste what i wrote from a previous thread, you will perhaps just dismiss it. most of the "Christians" here do. in fact, they state unequivocally that they have NO INTEREST in what Jesus[as] said and even DENY that he HAD a message from God! [sounds UNBELIEVABLE, eh? [btw, i'm half Canadian, so i hope the eh?s don't bother you]] that's HALF of it, the rest later, In Sha'a Allah, which is, "if Allah wills it."
i recommend that you start here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWYuwI60ZAg
it will, In Sha'a Allah, give you a rough and basic understanding of where we as Muslims will approach this from. i've watched it MANY times, i love it. it's VERY entertaining and pretty dead on accurate. they actually carry the series on for another 10 vids, but just watch this one.
hopefully you will see that our answers are NOT insults but that the "Christian" books are SO corrupted that it will probably seem that way.
btw, the Injeel was the "Message" that Jesus[as] delivered. the closest thing mentioned about it in "Christian" theory would be the "Quelle" document or "Q." though i am NOT saying that "Q" is the Injeel, just giving the best comparison.
and although I [yeah that's capped] CAN'T explain it, some put it this way:
Jesus/Isa ibn Marriam, May Allah's Peace and Blessings be on both of them is/was [ANOTHER bit i can't explain] God/Allah's LIVING WORD in human form and the Qur'an is God/Allah's LIVING [WORD IN] BOOK [from]! i PREFER NOT to refer to "John" at all, but some scholars have studied more than me and are more knowledgeable. i just see John as the "youngest" of the 4 Gospels, which implies to me that it is the most corrupted, but Allahu Alum.
[you see, we believe that Jesus[as] IS the Messiah and that he WILL return. therefore, i don't know what the proper "tense" to refer to him always is.]
okay let me think on it and may be I'll consult with another person or two before I post to you on this subject
