Who am I to Allah and Jesus?

[NoName55]

You are delusional, I am trying my utmost not to post (to keep my word about taking a break from posting) but you keep tempting me.

None of your lying mistranslations and manipulations of The Psalms are going to convince any true believer to apostate.

So please help me keep my word by refraining from posting rubbish, for if you don't post it then there will be no need to refute it on the part of the Believers. Thanks!

Please note that there are people, on this forum, who actually know Hebrew so your lies will be found out, then what is the point in posting those here? Why not find someplace, entirely populated by ignorant people and be their chief scholar?

 

[snakelegs]

alpiana,
i have a question for you.

אתה מדבר עברית????????

 

[Redeemed]

here you go!

נַשְּׁקוּ-בַר, פֶּן-יֶאֱנַף וְתֹאבְדוּ דֶרֶךְ-- כִּי-יִבְעַר כִּמְעַט אַפּוֹ:
אַשְׁרֵי, כָּל-חוֹסֵי בוֹ.
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I looked this up כָּל and I am not lying. I could be mistaken sometimes, but not lying. I have never lied on this forum or attacked your character, so Please don't do it to me. Treat people the way you want to be treated. כָּל This refers to the following: bar (Chald.), bar; corresp. to 1121; a son, grandson, etc.; -X old. son.
כָּל bar, bar; borrowed (as a title) from 1247; the heir (apparent to the throne);- son I also looked it up in Greek and son means deity there. I know this is not going cause you to shirk, but I simply won't shirk either.
peace

 

[NoName55]

My appologies for my bad manners! (I was under the impression that I was being ignored therefore I formed the wrong opinion of you)

I could be mistaken sometimes, but not lying

I'll go along with this explanation for the mistranslations

Ma'asalaama

 

[جوري]

This is not me speaking; This is the Lord! ...

Hmmmmmmm.. this is very curious... and a bit disconcerting... People who think themselves the lord should either be working in a monastery or hermitage somehwere-- or receiving Seroquel in high dosages-- they shouldn't be on a forum or governing the free world for that matter-- (Bush)

 

[snakelegs]

alapiana,

האם אתה יודע לקרוא עברית?

 

[MustafaMc]

I am not trying to shirk anyone, but if you hear and receive me; you receive Him who sent me (Jesus) to you. If you receive Him, you receive the Almighty. This is not me speaking; This is the Lord! If you persist in this, you will suddenly be destroyed and that without remedy. Walk in the light while it is day, because the night is coming...

Shirk is polytheism and it is to worship others along with Allah (The Noble Quran glossary). Yes, from my perspective Christians commit shirk because they worship and equate Jesus (pbuh) with Allah. Their salvation is dependent upon believing that Jesus is the Son of God, that he died on the cross for their sins, and that he was raised from the dead. The focus of Christianity, as I stated before, is clearly on Jesus instead of on Allah - the very definition of shirk.

Allah knows best.

Quran 5:116-118 After reminding him of these favors, Allah will say: "O Isa (Jesus) son of Maryam (Marry), Did you ever say to the people, "worship me and my mother as gods beside Allah?" He will answer: "Glory to You! How could I say what I had no right to say? If I had ever said so, you would have certainly known it. You know what is in my heart, but I know not what is in Yours; for You have full knowledge of all the unseen. I never said anything other than what You commanded me to say, that is to worship Allah, Who is my Rabb and your Rabb. I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them; but when You called me off, You were the Watcher over them and You are a Witness to everything. If You punish them, they surely are Your servants; and if You forgive them, You are Mighty, Wise."

 

[Woodrow]

Going back to a week ago, Sister Muslim Woman summed up what our view of a Christian is. she said it the best of what i have seen. If a Person truly follows Isa(as) and his teachings the only logical end is they will become a Muslim. Islam is the Christianity that Isa(as) tried to show the people.

Muslims are those who do follow Isa(as) and do submit to the will of Allah(swt).

I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected

With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful


Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)


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useful links:


SIMILARITIES BETWEEN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY

by Dr. Zakir Naik


http://www.irf.net/irf/comparativereligion/index.htm


CONCLUSION

(a) If Christian is a person who follows the teachings of Christ (pbuh) and not one who worships Christ (pbuh). (We are more Christian than the Christians themselves)



(b) Muslim is a person who submits his will to Allah ( God Almighty )

Jesus (pbuh) said, "not my will but thy will be done." i.e. Muslim. John 5:30


http://www.islam101.com/religions/christianity/similarities.htm

 

[snakelegs]

i hope this will lay this idiot nonesense to its final resting place.

Kiss the Son lest His anger be kindle but a little and you perish from the way.”

While your on that note I might add that I did look up "Kiss the the Son lest ye perish..." in Hebrew and the word is meant to be son or heir to the throne

psalm 2:12
pay homage in good faith
last He be angered, and your way be doomed
in the mere flash of His anger
happy are all who take refuge in him.
-JPS hebrew-english tanakh

no "son". no "kiss".
good bye.

 

[Woodrow]

i hope this will lay this idiot nonesense to its final resting place.




psalm 2:12
pay homage in good faith
last He be angered, and your way be doomed
in the mere flash of His anger
happy are all who take refuge in him.
-JPS hebrew-english tanakh

no "son". no "kiss".
good bye.

In defense of alapiana, I believe he made an honest error. It is very difficult to find any true Hebrew Versions of the Bible. Most of the translations are taken from books in the 1800s. many people translated the KJV into Hebrew in an attempt to show what the KJV would be like in Hebrew. Those old texts are now often used as being the Hebrew version. Since they were translated from the KJV it is only natural they would be similar to the KJV when translated back into English. Especially if the translator is looking to make them match the KJV

Most People use Strong's concordance, which was written in 1890. It is not from the Original Hebrew, It is of matching Hebrew and Greek Equivilants for the English words in the KJV.

Backwards engineering.

It is very doubtful anyone will find any actual Hebrew of the OT as it appears in the Bible. The closest will be the Tanakh of the Hebrews and in more than one place have our Jewish Members noted that the OT does not match the Tanakh.

 

[snakelegs]

woodrow,
i will confess this person irritates me. :raging:
i think it's very arrogant to come to an islamic forum and try to convert muslims to christianity. he has done this from the beginning and is still blatantly doing this.
at one point he said he was going to look up the hebrew, which to me, implied that he knew hebrew. so i asked him in hebrew if he did and he did not have the decency to admit that he did not.
we have many christian members who believe strongly, but they have enough decency not to promote their religion and respect the rules of the forum. they explain their religion, and they correct mistakes and answer questions. (= they're cool).
end of rant. :enough!:

 

[Redeemed]

My appologies for my bad manners! (I was under the impression that I was being ignored therefore I formed the wrong opinion of you)
I'll go along with this explanation for the mistranslations

Ma'asalaama

Peace to you, I am not ignoring you, and thank you for your apology which is totally accepted.

 

[Redeemed]

woodrow,
i will confess this person irritates me. :raging:
i think it's very arrogant to come to an islamic forum and try to convert muslims to christianity. he has done this from the beginning and is still blatantly doing this.
at one point he said he was going to look up the hebrew, which to me, implied that he knew hebrew. so i asked him in hebrew if he did and he did not have the decency to admit that he did not.
we have many christian members who believe strongly, but they have enough decency not to promote their religion and respect the rules of the forum. they explain their religion, and they correct mistakes and answer questions. (= they're cool).
end of rant. :enough!:

I never said that I knew Hebrew, and I did, however, look up the word in question from a dictionary. You are mad at me because you responded to me in Hebrew, and I didn't answer you. How could I, if I don't know Hebrew? I am not trying to promote any religion. Religion is what nailed Jesus to the cross. I want to see Jesus get the reward of His suffering. Besides, you don’t submit to Allah or Jesus. You are spiritually lost to both Christians and Muslims in your present state so why do you care so much about the way one promotes what he believes is truth?

 

[Redeemed]

Hmmmmmmm.. this is very curious... and a bit disconcerting... People who think themselves the lord should either be working in a monastery or hermitage somehwere-- or receiving Seroquel in high dosages-- they shouldn't be on a forum or governing the free world for that matter-- (Bush)

What i meant was I was quoting Jesus words from the Bible. Nevertheless, God is not dead, and he can still speak through people today. By the way, you can tell more about a person from what they say about others than what others say about them.

 

[جوري]

What i meant was I was quoting Jesus words from the Bible. Nevertheless, God is not dead, and he can still speak through people today. By the way, you can tell more about a person from what they say about others than what others say about them.

Really MR. is your opinion a scientific fact?-- No G-D is not dead-- we agree on that much!

اللّهُ لاَ إِلَـهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الْحَيُّ الْقَيُّومُ لاَ تَأْخُذُهُ سِنَةٌ وَلاَ نَوْمٌ لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الأَرْضِ مَن ذَا الَّذِي يَشْفَعُ عِنْدَهُ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِهِ يَعْلَمُ مَا بَيْنَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَمَا خَلْفَهُمْ وَلاَ يُحِيطُونَ بِشَيْءٍ مِّنْ عِلْمِهِ إِلاَّ بِمَا شَاء وَسِعَ كُرْسِيُّهُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ وَلاَ يَؤُودُهُ حِفْظُهُمَا وَهُوَ الْعَلِيُّ الْعَظِيمُ {255}​

[Pickthal 2:255] Allah! There is no deity save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him. Unto Him belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that intercedeth with Him save by His leave? He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them, while they encompass nothing of His knowledge save what He will. His throne includeth the heavens and the earth, and He is never weary of preserving them. He is the Sublime, the Tremendous.

That is G-D creator of heaven and earth as well as Jesus (PBUH) the man you take for a G-D!

peace

 

[snakelegs]

I never said that I knew Hebrew, and I did, however, look up the word in question from a dictionary. You are mad at me because you responded to me in Hebrew, and I didn't answer you. How could I, if I don't know Hebrew? I am not trying to promote any religion. Religion is what nailed Jesus to the cross. I want to see Jesus get the reward of His suffering. Besides, you don’t submit to Allah or Jesus. You are spiritually lost to both Christians and Muslims in your present state so why do you care so much about the way one promotes what he believes is truth?

no, i am irritated because you do nothing but preach.
i have a low tolerance for preaching. on an islamic site, i expect islamic preaching, so i accept that. if i was interested in christian preaching, why wouldn't i go to a christian forum? why would you come to an islamic forum strictly in order to try to convert muslims? don't you think they could find out about christianity easily enough on other sites?
how do you know that i do not believe in allah?

 

[Woodrow]

no, i am irritated because you do nothing but preach.
i have a low tolerance for preaching. on an islamic site, i expect islamic preaching, so i accept that. if i was interested in christian preaching, why wouldn't i go to a christian forum? why would you come to an islamic forum strictly in order to try to convert muslims? don't you think they could find out about christianity easily enough on other sites?
how do you know that i do not believe in allah?

Snakelegs it is interesting to see your views. Those that preach are seldom aware of the reverse effects preaching has. Yes, the pupose of this forum is to teach the truth of Islam and I will not deny that it is our desire to have people revert to Islam. But, that must always be a persons choice and after enough effort so that it is an informed choice and not based on the charisma of a person. we as Muslims will welcome anyone into our home and we will do our best to explain to them our beliefs. However, we will not enter into another persons home and speak against their belief nor express ours, unless asked to do so.


We do allow differences of opinion here. These differences and our willingness to allow them to be discussed on even an Islamic forum is one of the beauties of Islam.

Every Muslim is a Muslim and remains a Muslim because they do question and do seek verification of the truth.

We do have a responsibility to try to show the truth to those with erroneous beliefs. We do not know what a person's errors are until they say them. It is only then can we address the errors and present to them what we know to be the truth.

The choice is up to them to either accept what we say or to ignore it. But, the main issue is that we know the person is doing so out of their own choice and with awareness of what we believe to be true.

We will not compel anyone to accept Islam, we can only freely offer it as a gift.

Although we do not permit a person to try to proselytize there beliefs on this forum, it is a difficult line to define. Many people do not know how to express their words in a non invasive manner. some understanding has to be allowed for that and for that reason we do have this section. Hopefully we can always keep it as fair comparissions.

It is true this is an Islamic forum and people do come here to learn about Islam, if not to revert, at least to judge for themselves if the stereo types are true.

It is true that if a person does desire to learn about other belifs, there are many sites available for that.

 

[snakelegs]

woodrow,
i will shut up on this subject, altho i think this person has crossed that line many times.
i could not resist sticking my nose in when he was twisting the psalm to prove the "truth" of his religion.
i am out of here. carry on. :hiding:

 

[Woodrow]

woodrow,
i will shut up on this subject, altho i think this person has crossed that line many times.
i could not resist sticking my nose in when he was twisting the psalm to prove the "truth" of his religion.
i am out of here. carry on. :hiding:

Your views are appreciated.


I do not agree with his interpretation of that particular psalm. but that is of no real concern as I do not view the source for the psalm to be valid and that we really do not know if it was a true revelation or a fabrication.

 

[Kashnowe]

p1:the grass is green

p2:the grass is red

p1:clearly the grass is green. i know because i am see it.

p2: i am looking at the same grass and it is red.

p1: i know i am correct. you must be color blind!

p2:it is you who are colorblind. the grass is red.