Who is Dhul Qarnayn?

[shadab]

I know this is between you Br Shadab and Scimitar so pardon for interruption.

I think you are wrong in assessment,judgement about a learning journey cannot be made by merely reading the articles and maps shared on an internet thread.We(me and Scimi) know each other for a long time and whenever he happens to find an item giving his research new dimensions,he ask me to check things out.But you know,like you,I don't find it "productive and valuable".How can I?

Then there was a time,when I took things a little bit far from whats already there.Being there,Experiencing it,had me all of it figured out.

To cut a long story short,I was in search of a location and only to find it,I didn't only studied geology but also etymology,logical thinking and many others.After it,I was able to understand one thing clearly,Unless one don't put his/her own sweat and blood to an effort,you can never ever truly appreciate it.

No offense intended.

assalawalekum bro signor , none taken , how can we get offended , when we are of the same ummah , following and loving our beloved prophet s.a.w. and after the same objective, to atleast narrow down the location of the barrier, if we can't exactly pinpoint the location. as you said , to cut long story short , where do you think lays that barrier or its remnants. my guess , bro, it could be in austrian wilderness , central europe . or it could be svalbard , north pole . take care

 

[Signor]

assalawalekum bro signor , none taken , how can we get offended , when we are of the same ummah , following and loving our beloved prophet s.a.w. and after the same objective, to atleast narrow down the location of the barrier, if we can't exactly pinpoint the location. as you said , to cut long story short , where do you think lays that barrier or its remnants. my guess , bro, it could be in austrian wilderness , central europe . or it could be svalbard , north pole . take care

The research I made was on an interrelated but altogether a seperate topic.

You missed the whole point bro,My point was to seek answers on your own instead of asking questions by making an effort and as always 'on the shoulders of giants we build".

 

[shadab]

The research I made was on an interrelated but altogether a seperate topic.

You missed the whole point bro,My point was to seek answers on your own instead of asking questions by making an effort and as always 'on the shoulders of giants we build".

assalawalekum bro signor , got your point . may allah grant us to the right path of righteous followers of deen .

 

[Scimitar]

'on the shoulders of giants we build".

we do stand upon their shoulders, and we see a wider horizon than they did, but without them we wouldn't see anything... Allahu Akbar.

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

it could be in austrian wilderness , central europe . or it could be svalbard , north pole . take care

It could be on the northern frontiers of China, in Siberia, in Krygystan, in Caucuses, along the silk road, *enter location here... it could have been anywhere - but the fact remains, no one has been able to find it in the modern age - with all our satellites, maps and knowledge of the planet, no one ha found it still standing - so I say - it fell, and to back that up - I linked you my thread on WUP which gave you the reasonings to back up that statement... did you read it? probably not eh bro shadab? you should read that thread if you really are interested.

Scimi

 

[shadab]

It could be on the northern frontiers of China, in Siberia, in Krygystan, in Caucuses, along the silk road, *enter location here... it could have been anywhere - but the fact remains, no one has been able to find it in the modern age - with all our satellites, maps and knowledge of the planet, no one ha found it still standing - so I say - it fell, and to back that up - I linked you my thread on WUP which gave you the reasonings to back up that statement... did you read it? probably not eh bro shadab? you should read that thread if you really are interested.

Scimi

assalawalkum bro scimi , good to hear from you ,again. bro, you and everyone would agree with me that release of yajuj and majuj is one of the major signs of qiyamah . we didnt find any remnants of that wall , its bcoz allah dont want us to. take for example that island of dajjal , where is it , many people guessed it, but nobody can say for certain . there are many things in and around this universe which have hijaab over it. we dont have to go that far , there is another creation of allah "jinn" which literally means hidden. lives around us , learns from us ,more powerful from us but cant hurt us. have you seen their world , bro. nope , take care friendooo

 

[Scimitar]

bro, signs are manifesting all around us, and the major signs (10) could already be underway - Shaikh Imran Hosein seems to think so. And if you'd watch his lectures you may ascribe to his view too...

Go in peace

Scimi

 

[Abz2000]

The name literally means "the possessor of two horns" or "the two horned one",
When looking at Quranic terminology one finds that the term horn usually refers to a sprung people, people of an age or generation.
Ch 36 yaseen uses the term quroon (plural of horn) when refering to generations.

So if it's metaphorical (something chapter 18 keeps appearing as) and happens in the future (as possibly alluded to by the advice to read it during the fitnah of dajjal), then it's a man of two generations/epochs who meets gog and magog.

The hadith tell us that one man who appears in two generations faces off with gog and magog.
But Allah alone knows the unseen and knows how it will pan out,
And since He (swt) sent a definite to destroy the people of Yunus (pbuh), but repented of the punishment when the people of nineveh repented, who's to know which part of the prophecy swarm plays out?

Allah swt can abrogate whatever He likes.
I hope we're not disappointed if everyone repents and none of the scary events happen.
Though it seems like wishful thinking to imagine everyone will fix up.

 

[shadab]

The name literally means "the possessor of two horns" or "the two horned one",
When looking at Quranic terminology one finds that the term horn usually refers to a sprung people, people of an age or generation.
Ch 36 yaseen uses the term quroon (plural of horn) when refering to generations.

So if it's metaphorical (something chapter 18 keeps appearing as) and happens in the future (as possibly alluded to by the advice to read it during the fitnah of dajjal), then it's a man of two generations/epochs who meets gog and magog.

The hadith tell us that one man who appears in two generations faces off with gog and magog.
But Allah alone knows the unseen and knows how it will pan out,
And since He (swt) sent a definite to destroy the people of Yunus (pbuh), but repented of the punishment when the people of nineveh repented, who's to know which part of the prophecy swarm plays out?

Allah swt can abrogate whatever He likes.
I hope we're not disappointed if everyone repents and none of the scary events happen.
Though it seems like wishful thinking to imagine everyone will fix up.

assalawlekum bro , thats a good explanation , you reminded me of something which i have forgot. what you said about two epochs or generations is completely collaborative with tafsirs and hadiths . hazrat ali r.a. mentions about his (dhul qarnayn a.s.) resurrection when asked by certain person. since, our, history today tells us nothing about dhul qarnayn as most of the so called modern people who are aethist , like to keep this god fearing person in the dark. but sooner or later the promise of allah s. w. t. will be fulfilled, as said by dhul qarnayn himself in surat al kahf , " when the promise of my rab comes , he will level this wall flat as a camel back" . no power can change the fate , when it is written by rab tallah , whether it is metaphorical or literal. take care

 

[shadab]

asslawaelkum bro scimi , i have been watching sheikh imrans lecture for sometime now. frankly, speaking initially , i was stunned by his theory too. but as i digged deeper into the matter i found his theory to be completely useless . and, i will tell you why, modern technoloy and a little step towards innovation has led us to believe that we are the most advanced civilisation on planet earth, since the beginning . which is not only vague but also a big fraud to mislead people directly into the trap of dajjal. as, allah, himself doesnt like those who consider themselves above the others or rest of the creation . now coming back to sheikh imrans theory, he might have thought and this is my perception, no offense to anybodys intellect, that there might be a rational explanation to the story of dhul qarnayn a.s and gog and magog. so what did he do , tried to stand out from the crowd by proposing a new theory of khazars which is completely baseless if you ask me, to avoid the doubters and objectors of allah s.w.t and his signs. i will tell you why i am being anti imran, allah s.w.t. as mentioned in hadith , will say to isa. a.s. i am going to release such a creation of "mine" whom none will be able to fight. now allah is referring not only to us but also to isa a.s. who will be present amongst people. i believe this hadith of rasulallah s.a .w fulfills the prophecy mentioned in quran in sura fussilat about the signs of allah s.w.t . peace and blessings on our beloved prophet muhammad s.a.w

 

[Abz2000]

How many generations does isa witness?
Does he meet gog and magog in round two?

Another question that sometimes plays in my mind when looking at google earth is: does gog and magog have anything to do with the extreme capitalist consumer producer process? They're good at dumping food and using vast quantities of water in the plastic and rubber and oil industries to the extent of creating water shortages, have almost drained tiberias (sea of galilee) with factories and artificial irrigation in the scorched deserts.

The map speaks volumes when one notices how the majority of civilizations originated and dwelt in the middle east before scorching it and dispersing to more fertile climes.
The amount of oil available in the region is an indication of how many generations have turned into carbon.

Such phenomena also show the wisdom of ancient hermits who saw virtue in living frugal lives.
Taking only what they need from earth and leaving with a short and easy account.

The only barrier i can think of is that of taqwa, since in the age of aviation and space travel, planet earth has no unscalable wall.
And Allah knows best.

 

[shadab]

How many generations does isa witness?
Does he meet gog and magog in round two?

Another question that sometimes plays in my mind when looking at google earth is: does gog and magog have anything to do with the extreme capitalist consumer producer process? They're good at dumping food and using vast quantities of water in the plastic and rubber and oil industries to the extent of creating water shortages, have almost drained tiberias (sea of galilee) with factories and artificial irrigation in the scorched deserts.

The map speaks volumes when one notices how the majority of civilizations originated and dwelt in the middle east before scorching it and dispersing to more fertile climes.
The amount of oil available in the region is an indication of how many generations have turned into carbon.

Such phenomena also show the wisdom of ancient hermits who saw virtue in living frugal lives.
Taking only what they need from earth and leaving with a short and easy account.

The only barrier i can think of is that of taqwa, since in the age of aviation and space travel, planet earth has no unscalable wall.
And Allah knows best.

assalawalekum bro- well for starters we , intellects dont have the right to question allah's decree upon any matter. we dont need to question how many generations before the release of gog and magog . you know why? since , you are talking about taqwa , you should have complete faith imaan on the one and only lord , he has the right to do anything, you are telling me we got planes and other 007 toys , so what ? how many generations before us had this notion of so called "most advanced" people . what happened to them ? where are they now . how many times have allah s. w. t told us of the people with vanity in quran and their ultimate end , you are gonna deny that . instead we should ask ourselves why allah s.w.t has send us in the end times , we are the people of last and most beloved prophet muhammad s.a.w. we have been given guideline in the form of glorious quran , to learn from the errors committed by the people before us. did anyone from us have ever reached to mountain qaaf, if , we indeed rely on some fancy toys to claimed the title of most advanced generation . how many things we should take as a metaphor , tell me , where is the city of iram mentioned in quran ? ohh last time i checked , our so called mind boggling technologies were busy making hollywood films ,for what , to earn money , isn't it. to attain taqwa we gotta rid ourselves of inhuman qualities inside us , to become human . we need to walk on the right path as shown by rasulaallah s.a.w . and our beloved sahabas r.a.w. instead of asking foolish questions that will lead us to nowhere.

 

[Abz2000]

Wow, a bit harsh innit?
Sometimes questions aren't questions but a part of rhetoric that probe thinking.
And the reason we're not currently doing nafl salaat and are on the forum is for the sake of sharing genuine musings.
Otherwise we'd be reading quran or hadith or a science or math book.
Get me?

Regarding technological innovation, Allah has given the people of this age more material comforts and conveniences than previously, well, sort of, it was all there before but since humans usually develop and innovate collectively and learn from experience which they build on, we just used the khalifah brain He gave us along with inspiration to develop, and obviously, it's logical that mankind reaches it's peak at the end.
Global information sharing (zahar al qalam) means that an idea is devwloped and improved upon in hours rather than years.

Just that part of the test is whether we delude ourselves into thinking we're gods or we reflect on what these signs are pointing to.

Just hope it's doesn't get as bad as the hollywood Uni-Sols.
So many movies with dead tissue running off electricity these days.

 

[shadab]

Wow, a bit harsh innit?
Sometimes questions aren't questions but a part of rhetoric that probe thinking.
And the reason we're not currently doing nafl salaat and are on the forum is for the sake of sharing genuine musings.
Otherwise we'd be reading quran or hadith or a science or math book.
Get me?

Regarding technological innovation, Allah has given the people of this age more material comforts and conveniences than previously, well, sort of, it was all there before but since humans usually develop and innovate collectively and learn from experience which they build on, we just used the khalifah brain He gave us along with inspiration to develop, and obviously, it's logical that mankind reaches it's peak at the end.
Global information sharing (zahar al qalam) means that an idea is devwloped and improved upon in hours rather than years.

Just that part of the test is whether we delude ourselves into thinking we're gods or we reflect on what these signs are pointing to.

Just hope it's doesn't get as bad as the hollywood Uni-Sols.
So many movies with dead tissue running off electricity these days.

assalawalekum friendoo i would like to disagree on so called advancement of civilisation at the end times , well , then everybody has their own perception of advancement. recent discoveries of megaliths have clearly spatted on the face of so called liberals and scientists of today, how in the earth is that possible ? rhetoric, isn't it . well the answer is given in quran , obviously, which clearly describes the khilafah of qaum e aad (adites) . allah told us in quran about their advancement and their big ego, as well. now tell me, was that the end of history ? people will be doing sins like no other time in history , in the end times . well the good thing is the momeen will no longer be on the earth at that time. advancement towards khabasat (evil) thats where, most people will be heading towards in the endddd .

 

[Abz2000]

Depends on what one means by civilization - technological advancement isn't necessarily a requirement for being civilized- or a sign of moral or social advancement...although it is a comfort if used properly.

Anyways, the term civilization itself is subjective and loaded- some falsely consider it to mean living in a town instead of a village and being domesticated by Godless laws and subservience to the whims of the kufr trend makers.

Stray sheep aren't necessarily mainstream even if they call themselves such.
Not implying that i'm an angel either.

Your perception of scientists seems to have been effected by the bad experiences or poor samplings you've had,
Not all of them can be bundled in with the liberals.
Some scientists consider their studies and work to be 'ibaadah, since there are in the creation of the heavens and the earth signs for those endued with understanding
Reflecting and contemplating on how it's not just come about from nothing or for nothing, the endless power, knowledge, skill and eye for detail required in the design and management can make one dizzy and feel like sitting down.
Science vs faith is a false dichotomy.

 

[Abz2000]

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[shadab]

Depends on what one means by civilization - technological advancement isn't necessarily a requirement for being civilized- or a sign of moral or social advancement...although it is a comfort if used properly.

Anyways, the term civilization itself is subjective and loaded- some falsely consider it to mean living in a town instead of a village and being domesticated by Godless laws and subservience to the whims of the kufr trend makers.

Stray sheep aren't necessarily mainstream even if they call themselves such.
Not implying that i'm an angel either.

Your perception of scientists seems to have been effected by the bad experiences or poor samplings you've had,
Not all of them can be bundled in with the liberals.
Some scientists consider their studies and work to be 'ibaadah, since there are in the creation of the heavens and the earth signs for those endued with understanding
Reflecting and contemplating on how it's not just come about from nothing or for nothing, the endless power, knowledge, skill and eye for detail required in the design and management can make one dizzy and feel like sitting down.
Science vs faith is a false dichotomy.

assalawalekum bro i have seen the video uploaded before , utterly misdirected towards no mans land. i wanna ask you this , is it comletely dried up and since, you guys really think that yajuj majuj is the cause of all this . then, the question remains , where in the world are they ? if the radma has come down , pal , where are its remnants ? our perception hardly matters , when it comes to scientists and liberals, well i will agree with you on one thing , not all of them are personal wipers of finance motivated, corrupt and degenerated corporations . it is the fact that matters, now tell me , where have you found that iron and copper wall to be lying in ruins ? i mean its location , obviously.

 

[The-Deist]

Brother Scimi here is something I found

https://www.google.dz/?gws_rd=cr&ei...+are+barriers+that+look+like+striped+garments

You might want to post it into WPU in shaa Allah

 

[Scimitar]

The name literally means "the possessor of two horns" or "the two horned one",
When looking at Quranic terminology one finds that the term horn usually refers to a sprung people, people of an age or generation.
Ch 36 yaseen uses the term quroon (plural of horn) when refering to generations.

So if it's metaphorical (something chapter 18 keeps appearing as) and happens in the future (as possibly alluded to by the advice to read it during the fitnah of dajjal), then it's a man of two generations/epochs who meets gog and magog.

The hadith tell us that one man who appears in two generations faces off with gog and magog.
But Allah alone knows the unseen and knows how it will pan out,
And since He (swt) sent a definite to destroy the people of Yunus (pbuh), but repented of the punishment when the people of nineveh repented, who's to know which part of the prophecy swarm plays out?

Allah swt can abrogate whatever He likes.
I hope we're not disappointed if everyone repents and none of the scary events happen.
Though it seems like wishful thinking to imagine everyone will fix up.

Very true. However I also want to point out that the term "Dhul Qarnayn" most likely refers to the fact that he reached the earths most westerly and easterly points during his travels - the horn of the west and the horn of the east. Let's contextualize the term.

The Jews tested the Prophet pbuh with the question "Tell us about the young man who travelled a great distance"

Within this understanding, we can safely assume that the Jews the term "Dhul Qarnayn" and so, when the ayaat (no.83) starts with "And they ask thee (O Muhmammad) about Dhul Qarnayn, say to them I shall recite to you a remembrance about him"

The ayaat then go on to confirm that this man travelled a great distance to the west in order to spread Islamic Monotheism, and in doing so reaches the furthest west where he finds the sun to appear setting in the sea... the ayaat then go on to confirm that he travels east in order to spread Islamic Monotheism and reaches the furthest East where the sun appears to rise from... along the way Allah mentions some landmarks, in order to show us the great distance that Dhul Qarnayn had travelled.

The terms "Dhul Qarnayn" was known by the Jews, thus they did not argue or contest the Ayaat regarding him.

How did the Jews know about this? Easy... look in their holy texts. Daniels prophecy, in Isaiah... in fact he is mentioned 23 times buy name and alluded to several times more - further, non biblical accounts from historians such as Herodotus and Josephus (who were also Jews btw) give away much as to the term "Dhul Qarnayn"... in fact, in Herodotus' Histories, book 1 volum 1 - the very first story mentioned is the story of Cyrus...

...Cyrus was hailed as a Messiah to the Jews, even though Cyrus himself was not a Jew but a mixed race child of a Persian mother and Mede father...

in fact, one thing you will notice with Cyrus, is that however you try to fit the term "dhul qarnayn" to him, it always works - but not with Alexander, or the Tubba Kings, or anyone else for that matter.

At first, when I was discussing this with bro Ministry of Truth in WUP, and on skype, we both agreed that personally we didn't want Dhul Qarnayn to be Cyrus because we just didn't like Cyrus for some reason lol... the more I investigated, the more I became convinced that Cyrus was indeed the DHul Qarnayn of the Quran.

And Allah knows best

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

asslawaelkum bro scimi , i have been watching sheikh imrans lecture for sometime now. frankly, speaking initially , i was stunned by his theory too. but as i digged deeper into the matter i found his theory to be completely useless . and, i will tell you why, modern technoloy and a little step towards innovation has led us to believe that we are the most advanced civilisation on planet earth, since the beginning . which is not only vague but also a big fraud to mislead people directly into the trap of dajjal. as, allah, himself doesnt like those who consider themselves above the others or rest of the creation . now coming back to sheikh imrans theory, he might have thought and this is my perception, no offense to anybodys intellect, that there might be a rational explanation to the story of dhul qarnayn a.s and gog and magog. so what did he do , tried to stand out from the crowd by proposing a new theory of khazars which is completely baseless if you ask me, to avoid the doubters and objectors of allah s.w.t and his signs. i will tell you why i am being anti imran, allah s.w.t. as mentioned in hadith , will say to isa. a.s. i am going to release such a creation of "mine" whom none will be able to fight. now allah is referring not only to us but also to isa a.s. who will be present amongst people. i believe this hadith of rasulallah s.a .w fulfills the prophecy mentioned in quran in sura fussilat about the signs of allah s.w.t . peace and blessings on our beloved prophet muhammad s.a.w

walakum salaam bro, I find your reasoning to be completely useless, and my reasons are the same as bro Abz has given above. As Abz said, technology is not a determining factor in civilization being advanced according to Muslim ideals. Moral fortitude is.

Scimi