Who is Dhul Qarnayn?

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Walakum salaam bro Syed,

When I started to study the story of Dhul Qarnayn, i first studied the orthodox version of it - and was satisfied with the information. Many lessons can be learned from surah Al Kahf, ie the 4 trial et al.

However, I wanted to go further - and we are told to seek knowledge wherever we find it. Right?

So, I stepped outside of the traditional Islamic mind frame and ventured out.

I don't agree with the linguistic definitions of Yajuj Majuj given through etymology, for me these do not work and are up for interpretation.

What is not up for interpretation, is history.

So, I took hiatus in order to go into the historical anomaly surrounding Dhul Qarnayn and Yajuj wa Majuj.

And found out things which absolutely blew my mind away. I have not shared this information with anyone except a few people whom I trust. I gave part 1 of 4 parts of this information to Sh Imran Hosein in PM. I was waiting to hear what he had to say about it before I sent him the other parts - but you know where that went.

I'm sending you a PM. You should see what I have in sha Allah

Scimi
 
I was wondering about the etymology of the words Ya'juj and Ma'juj... scholars have often applied arabic etymology to these two words, can someone explain why?

Scimi
 
This hadeeth is a lesser known one on the topic of Dhul Qarnayn,


Narrated by Buraydah:


I heard the Messenger of Allah say: “O Buraydah! There will be many armies after I pass away. You should join the army that goes towards Khurasan. Then you should stop at the city of ‘Merv’ for it was built by ‘Dhul-Qarnayn’ and he prayed for blessings in it and therefore no harm will affect the dwellers of that city.”


(Al-Tabarani, Al-Mu'jam Al-Awsat)


From the historical record, it is said that Cyrus built the city of Merv...


The first city of Merv was founded in the 6th century BC as part of the expansion into the region by the Achaemenid Empire of Cyrus the Great (559–530 BC), but the Achaemenid levels are deeply covered by later strata at the site.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merv#History


Very intriguing information, giving us another clue which ties Cyrus with the personage of Dhul Qarnayn.


Allahu Alam.


Scimi
 
dhul qarnayn means "two horns" he was the man who built something around the gog and magog villiage to prevent them from making more destruction. they will come out At prophet isa A.S time
 
assalawalekum scimitaarr and my fellow users of this forum. I will add a little spice to this subject or rather a clue, to identify gog and magog. a tribe of people with dog head[cynocephalus] used to fight yajooj and majooj, and, people with short height or stature used to fight this dog headed people. all of these strange creature of allah is connected. I will tell u later from where I have acquired this info.
 
Wa'alykum salaam Shadab, welcome to the forum.

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You can find more info here: http://wup-forum.com/in-search-of-gog-and-magog-t25494.html

Scimi
 
Allah tala tells us to avoid speculation/theorising based in doubtful sources ikhwan,
 
If you would be kind enough to determine for me, what you consider doubtful, I will happily take a look.

Scimi
 
assalawalekum brother scimi. well i am aware about this pic,which, is correct me if i am wrong sketched by iranian painter. i have been to wake up forum but didn't find it to be conclusive. i must admit it, though, u guys have put a lot of effort to gather info on this subject. there is a hadith in the book of imam jalaluddin assuyuti r.a, where jews asked our beloved rasulallah s.a.w about dhulqarnayn a.s. it is mentioned in this hadith a very detailed description of dhulqarnayn a.s encounters with different places and beings.about his city he founded,mountain qaf,which i guesstimate it brings us to hollow earth or different layers of earth.man dhulqarnayn a.s travelled to places we can only wonder.i find it so strange as to why we havent been able to find exact location of this wall. even though we have been provided with huge amount of knowledge beacause of our beloved prophet imam ul ambiya rasulallah s.a.w. than i thought its not about intelligence, wisdom is what we lack. the more closer you are to rasulallah s.a.w ahle bayt a. s sahaba rizwanallahhu ajmain, more mysteries get revealed by allah s.w.t. watch the video of allama hafiz muhammad akbar on surat al kahf . " an awliya is a sheathed sword, when he is into this world, but when he leaves this world he is an open sword or independent force with immense power moving whenever, and, anywhere he so desires ". miyan mir qadri r.a.
 
Refer to the link you posted

Only authentic info about Dhul Qarnayn alayhi wa salam we have is the Quran and Sunnah.

Again we been told to avoid speculation

جزاك اللهُ خيراً‎
 
Thank you for the reminder :) but you've not explained to me - what doubtful sources are - yet.

Scimi
 
shadab said:
assalawalekum brother scimi.
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walakum salaam bro Shadab.

shadab said:
well i am aware about this pic,which, is correct me if i am wrong sketched by iranian painter. i have been to wake up forum but didn't find it to be conclusive.
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I've only shared some information on wup forum - the rest is in our research forum only - and no where else yet.

shadab said:
i must admit it, though, u guys have put a lot of effort to gather info on this subject. there is a hadith in the book of imam jalaluddin assuyuti r.a, where jews asked our beloved rasulallah s.a.w about dhulqarnayn a.s. it is mentioned in this hadith a very detailed description of dhulqarnayn a.s encounters with different places and beings.about his city he founded,mountain qaf,which i guesstimate it brings us to hollow earth or different layers of earth.
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The hollow earth theory is one I place no providence in with relation to DhulQarnayns travels. I find that the surah al Kahf, ayah's 83-99 give us a "map" if we but use our knowledge of geography, to determine the best possible route - which I have done already... Allahu alam.

shadab said:
man dhulqarnayn a.s travelled to places we can only wonder.
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I think we've all wondered, at some point :)

shadab said:
i find it so strange as to why we havent been able to find exact location of this wall. even though we have been provided with huge amount of knowledge beacause of our beloved prophet imam ul ambiya rasulallah s.a.w. than i thought its not about intelligence, wisdom is what we lack.
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Or maybe, the barrier fell already - millenia ago? This is what many don't consider because they prefer to think a barrier still exists.

shadab said:
the more closer you are to rasulallah s.a.w ahle bayt a. s sahaba rizwanallahhu ajmain, more mysteries get revealed by allah s.w.t. watch the video of allama hafiz muhammad akbar on surat al kahf . " an awliya is a sheathed sword, when he is into this world, but when he leaves this world he is an open sword or independent force with immense power moving whenever, and, anywhere he so desires ". miyan mir qadri r.a.
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If I have time, i will check it out iA

Scimi
 
Then by that logic, stop anything you are reading which is not Quran nor Sunnah?

Sorry bro, but even Dr Israr Ahmed has cited non islamic sources in his study of Dhul Qarnayn and Ya'juj wa Ma'juj, so have plenty of other scholars - so you'd do well to do some homework first, and research their reasonings into why they researched outside of Quran and Ahadeeth.

Scimi
 
Scimitar said:
walakum salaam bro Shadab.



I've only shared some information on wup forum - the rest is in our research forum only - and no where else yet.



The hollow earth theory is one I place no providence in with relation to DhulQarnayns travels. I find that the surah al Kahf, ayah's 83-99 give us a "map" if we but use our knowledge of geography, to determine the best possible route - which I have done already... Allahu alam.



I think we've all wondered, at some point :)



Or maybe, the barrier fell already - millenia ago? This is what many don't consider because they prefer to think a barrier still exists.



If I have time, i will check it out iA

Scimi
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assalawalekum bro scimi, you are right about the barrier, if it was on the surface of the earth. but don't you think that controlling elite forces of today would try to hide it from every single one of us. the remnants of it wouldn't be easy to find, if at all possible. coming back to dhulqarnayn a.s. , he was a roman slave as told by our beloved propht s.a.w. he lived for 1600 years. he lived for so long just to spread deen e elahi. as reported by hadhrat ali r.a. , dhulqarnayn was a man of ikhlas . whatever he prayed for was instantly answered by allah s.w.t . he died two times prior to his death , once he was preaching tawheed to a people , who inturn struck him , which left a swollen wound on his side of forehead. but allah s.w.t. resurrected him to punish those evildoers. this type of incident happened again in his life and due to Allah's mercy he was given life to punish those culprits. leaving a similar kind of wound on other side of forehead , so if you are looking for dhulqarnayn a.s. , he has to be unique than any other worldwide momeen ruler of ancient time. I don't think cyrus fits this description. I would love to see your research in any form,whenever, you desire to show publicly. keep working hard brother .:sl::thumbs_up
 
Scimitar said:
Then by that logic, stop anything you are reading which is not Quran nor Sunnah?

Sorry bro, but even Dr Israr Ahmed has cited non islamic sources in his study of Dhul Qarnayn and Ya'juj wa Ma'juj, so have plenty of other scholars - so you'd do well to do some homework first, and research their reasonings into why they researched outside of Quran and Ahadeeth.

Scimi
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It's not the citing of non Islamic sources,

But the fact that you have cited no certain evidence,

Just conjecture which we are supposed to avoid.
 
you failed to deliver any proof that I have conjectured. I have employed method in my study and you have employed a bias in your opinion. That is all. You still haven't proven anything, except that you are good at not proving anything :D

Scimi
 
shadab said:
assalawalekum bro scimi, you are right about the barrier, if it was on the surface of the earth. but don't you think that controlling elite forces of today would try to hide it from every single one of us. the remnants of it wouldn't be easy to find, if at all possible. coming back to dhulqarnayn a.s. , he was a roman slave as told by our beloved propht s.a.w. he lived for 1600 years. he lived for so long just to spread deen e elahi. as reported by hadhrat ali r.a. , dhulqarnayn was a man of ikhlas . whatever he prayed for was instantly answered by allah s.w.t . he died two times prior to his death , once he was preaching tawheed to a people , who inturn struck him , which left a swollen wound on his side of forehead. but allah s.w.t. resurrected him to punish those evildoers. this type of incident happened again in his life and due to Allah's mercy he was given life to punish those culprits. leaving a similar kind of wound on other side of forehead , so if you are looking for dhulqarnayn a.s. , he has to be unique than any other worldwide momeen ruler of ancient time. I don't think cyrus fits this description. I would love to see your research in any form,whenever, you desire to show publicly. keep working hard brother .:sl::thumbs_up
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wassalaam bro shadab,

you can search through these topics:

http://wup-forum.com/rebuttal-refutation-of-imran-hosein-s-view-on-gog-magog-t28277.html

http://wup-forum.com/who-is-gog-and-magog-t21410.html

http://wup-forum.com/gog-and-magog-the-vikings-t27040.html

http://wup-forum.com/gog-magog-new-theory-t27036.html

but the main one you want to read up on is this one: http://wup-forum.com/in-search-of-gog-and-magog-t25494.html

Scimi
 
assalawalekum bro scimi, as you are aware about the fact that our beloved prophet s.a.w. went on meraj , he met yajooj and majooj, who obviuosly rejected his call to come to islam. now, that , being said he also met many different civiilsation including djaboulqa and djaboulsa. now what amazes me is how most of us forget that these people yajooj and majooj rejected the true faith of islam, so there is no way these people will be momeen at any cost. this debunks all those crazy theories of khazars , vikings his king and her king:statisfie,being yajooj and majooj. infact, those people of djaboulqa and djaboulsa accepted islam by giving bayat to rasulaallah s.a.w. and these people were definitely of not our type , because rasulaallah s.a.w. mentioned that they are not aware of adam a.s. neither do they know about sun and moon. iblees ,too, have not penetrated their world . as far as,khazarians or vikings, goes many from them have accepted islam at different juncture of time. people will definitely say "woe to us, we were not aware about this " as it is mentioned in the quran . it always feel good to share knowledge . peace be on you brother .
 
shadab said:
coming back to dhulqarnayn a.s. , he was a roman slave as told by our beloved propht s.a.w. he lived for 1600 years. he lived for so long just to spread deen e elahi. as reported by hadhrat ali r.a. , dhulqarnayn was a man of ikhlas . whatever he prayed for was instantly answered by allah s.w.t . he died two times prior to his death , once he was preaching tawheed to a people , who inturn struck him , which left a swollen wound on his side of forehead. but allah s.w.t. resurrected him to punish those evildoers. this type of incident happened again in his life and due to Allah's mercy he was given life to punish those culprits. leaving a similar kind of wound on other side of forehead , so if you are looking for dhulqarnayn a.s. , he has to be unique than any other worldwide momeen ruler of ancient time.
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This is the first I've heard of this.

There must be more to it than just this. Please, where can I find the narrative.


:peace:
 

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