Why aren't the Nun's considered Opressed?

[LauraS]

Well I didnt read all the previous posts, but my reply to this question would be,

Simple, because they are not muslims.

Maybe you should read the rest of the posts then...

 

[Salahudeen]

Once when my mum was wearing hijaab a non muslim lady said to her "It's ok dear you're in England you don't have to wear that now you can take it off nothing will happen you're safe here" my mum just burst out laughing ;D

 

[Grace Seeker]

In the part of the USA where I live there are many different groups in which the women wear headcoverings similar to the hijaab, so one could not tell just by the dress whether the individual is a Muslim, one of several different Christian groups or something else.

(But one thing we do know --they are all oppressed. )

 

[Danah]

I heard that "some" Christian women wear hijab when they go to church, I wonder why they are following "Bible teaching" only inside the church and then take it off when they leave the church.
Now are they considered to be oppressed inside church because they follow their bible teaching?? :?


Are we Muslims considered oppressed because we choose to follow Quran teaching and Allah's commands??
What a crazy world, double standards :hmm:

 

[LauraS]

Once when my mum was wearing hijaab a non muslim lady said to her "It's ok dear you're in England you don't have to wear that now you can take it off nothing will happen you're safe here" my mum just burst out laughing ;D

lol! That is quite funny.

 

[sabr*]

The Nuns dress!

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Very good thread. Very thought provoking.

The Catholic Nuns head covering is called proper-Serre-tete which means cover the head in French and the breast plate is called the habit. There is always a double standard when one attacks someones culture and way of life.


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[S.Belle]

Once when my mum was wearing hijaab a non muslim lady said to her "It's ok dear you're in England you don't have to wear that now you can take it off nothing will happen you're safe here" my mum just burst out laughing ;D

wow LOL that had to be super AKWARD

 

[Grace Seeker]

I heard that "some" Christian women wear hijab when they go to church, I wonder why they are following "Bible teaching" only inside the church and then take it off when they leave the church.
Now are they considered to be oppressed inside church because they follow their bible teaching?? :?

There are a whole host of different practices among Christian groups. For those that wear a headscarf when they go to church but not outside the church, their understanding is that there is no Biblical requirement to always be covered. Rather, their understanding is that it is specifically during worship that a woman needs to have her head covered. That understanding is based on the following passage:

1 Corinthians, chapter 11

3Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. 7A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head.
11In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God. 13Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. 16If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.

You may have also noticed that Christian women have more than one way of covering their head. Some Christian women cover their head with a scarf that for all of my ability to distinguish between them looks exactly and is worn in the same manner as a hijab. (In fact, our daughter gave my wife some hijabs for when we attended mosque with her, and I really don't think that there is any difference between an hijab and any other headscarf, though I would like to be educated on the difference if there is one.) Others have much less covering and where what has the appearance of a lace doily pinned to the crown of their head. And still others go in for bonnets. Here is a link to a company that sells "Christain covering needs" if you want to see the variety in use.


And, as you have also probably noticed, there are those who cover their heads all the time. The following is the argument that some make, notice it too is based on the same 1 Corinthians 11 passage and the addition of another line, "pray without ceasing" or "pray continually", found in 1 Thessalonians 5:17:

1 Corinthians 11 definitely includes public worship, but it does not say that this is the only place it [covering the head] is to be practiced. We are commanded in Scripture to pray without ceasing, not just pray in church. The early church practiced the use of the headcovering throughout the week, not just on Sunday. The Christian woman is to have her head covered anytime she approaches God, at home or in public worship. The man is to have his head uncovered when he prays at home or in public.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I think that many nuns ARE oppressed.

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

I think that many nuns ARE oppressed.

STOP THE PRESS!

An atheist says nuns are oppressed

In other news

Pope admits: Yes I may be a Catholic . . .
Bear admits: Ok I may of defecated in the woods . . .

 

[Pygoscelis]

lol, well yes, it should be obvious. Yet the question assumes nuns are not oppressed, as if it is fact.

 

[جوري]

Salaam



STOP THE PRESS!

An atheist says nuns are oppressed

In other news

Pope admits: Yes I may be a Catholic . . .
Bear admits: Ok I may of defecated in the woods . . .

lol.. that was quite funny..

lol, well yes, it should be obvious. Yet the question assumes nuns are not oppressed, as if it is fact.

It is an assumption based on facts.. I remember in grad school, some guy was commenting on Burka clad women, how they frighten and disgust him and then proceeded to make it better by saying he just felt sorry for them to the agreement of his posse, and I asked him of Latvian nuns elicit the same reaction from him, and he had to think about that one for a while and flustered around a bit before changing the subject!
Do you represent the average Joe for your opinion here on nuns/ and/or Muslim women to have weightiness in the scheme of things?

 

[Predator]

We are officially in the season of Bikini Christianity, and Muslims are targeted for not dressing sexually like the followers of Paul, and the Western society. Christianity has given birth to the social corruptions by offering a "free ticket to Heaven". There is no other explanation for the high rate of crime, murder, rape, and fornication. All of these evils destroy the possibility of world peace, and the reason why Christians sin because they believe Jesus "died for their sins". ​

The Christian women are commanded to dress modestly in accordance with Biblical teachings
(Deutronomy 22:5, 1 Tim. 2:9, 1 Pet. 3:3-4)

Here is what the Bible says to Christian woman:


Deutronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

(1Timothy 2:9)
I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,

(1Peter 3:3-4)

Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. (1Peter 3:3-4)


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Islam is the religion that prevents rape; it upholds the dignity and honor of women by commanding them to cover themselves. Women in Islam are not oppressed, but only the Christian women are oppressing themselves by dressing half-naked.

The Christian missionaries are converting Muslim woman to the bikini, and have her (God forbid) getting raped by men who lust on sex and money. The only solution is wearing the Islamic dress, and thereby accepting Islam as the Divine Truth.

The missionaries want our sisters to walk around exposing themselves shamelessly in the same manner that kafir women do. They want our sisters to leave their homes and wander the streets. They want us to disbelieve in the Revelation and they want to extinguish the light of truth that is Islam. and in the process call us to the hellfire

Christian women are sex objects in the West, and Christianity promotes the freedom to "dress how you feel like" and "eat what you feel like".

God says they will never get away with causing social corruption. (Al-Quran 29:2)

In a city somewhere in this world, you walk along a street or streets to see nothing but bars, night clubs, houses of prostitution, and alcoholics. Is this Christianity? Is this religion? Where do these phenomena lead? Who are the victims? How many are the victims of this "anything" civilization, the civilization of night clubs, the civilization of alcohol? Where is this civilization taking man, this civilization of anything and everything?History bears ample testimony to the fact that the main cause of the downfall of any nation is its wasteful and luxurious living. The nations rise when their members live simple and hard life free from all kinds of ostentation but when they are given to luxuries the springs of creative energy dry in them and they fall down like a house of cards. The love for fashion especially among women plays an important part in the ruin of any society. The love for ostentation living in women makes them forgetful of their main duties and responsibilities as the guardians of the family and they are drawn to clubs in order to display their fashion and beauty to the people who become a source of attraction for them. This leads to corruption and ultimately corrodes the foundation of society.

Amazingly, the Bible rebukes today’s Christians in the following verses:
'For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. (1 Peter 4:3)

But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. (Ephesians 5:3)

It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. (1 Corinthians 5:1)

Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. (1 Corinthians 6:18)

We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. (1 Corinthians 10:8)

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. (Jude 1:7)


Christianity is a religion of false hopes by saying "amen" with no action. and We leave the Christian woman her own choice, either she accepts Islam or remains naked.
　

 

[Pygoscelis]

In my statement that I think some nuns are indeed opressed, I actually wasn't even thinking about the habbit (or whatever they call it) that they wear. I was just thinking about nuns in general, and yes there is often opression there.

As to the fancy outfits, I think people should be allowed to wear whatever they want. I am ok with everything from fully covered to fully naked. I don't think anybody should have the right to tell people how to dress. I do think t hat sometimes people are pressured one way or the other though. And regardless of what direction it is, it can amount to opression. Muslimas should not be forced to wear bikinis. Women who'd prefer to wear bikinis should not be forced to wear muslim garb, etc.

I would really like to see a conversation on this topic between a muslim and a nudist. Two complete opposites of the spectrum, and I bet they both have a lot of misconceptions about the other (the muslima being thought of as oppressed by the nudist, and the nudist being thought of as sexualized by the muslims - usually neither is true).

 

[Grace Seeker]

We are officially in the season of Bikini Christianity, and Muslims are targeted for not dressing sexually like the followers of Paul, and the Western society.​

Huh???

Are you suggesting that Paul taught his followers to dress sexually?????

And who made it "official"? You?​

 

[Ramadhan]

the nudist being thought of as sexualized by the muslims

nope, they (the nudists) just have no value of their own bodies.

 

[Ramadhan]

Huh???

Are you suggesting that Paul taught his followers to dress sexually?????

And who made it "official"? You?

Maybe it's because Paul abrogated all old laws that jesus observed including dressing.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Maybe it's because Paul abrogated all old laws that jesus observed including dressing.

I don't think you really believe that and are just trying to be funny. But from what airforce wrote, I'm wondering if he might actually believe that Paul taught his followers to dress sexually?

 

[Ramadhan]

I don't think you really believe that and are just trying to be funny.

It's the answer that I frequently get from discussing with christians.
Whenever asked why are current christians not doing/observing the things which jesus pbuh did, they regularly explain that is because Paul interpretation is that Jesus abrogated the old covenant, although jesus pbuh himself said that he did not come t abolish the laws and the prophets.

since christians do not have to observe the old covenant, each successive generations of christians then created their own standards of what is ethical and moral, disregarding their own scriptures and completely casting aside everything that jesus did and taught.

 

[Grace Seeker]

It's the answer that I frequently get from discussing with christians.
Whenever asked why are current christians not doing/observing the things which jesus pbuh did, they regularly explain that is because Paul interpretation is that Jesus abrogated the old covenant, although jesus pbuh himself said that he did not come t abolish the laws and the prophets.

since christians do not have to observe the old covenant, each successive generations of christians then created their own standards of what is ethical and moral, disregarding their own scriptures and completely casting aside everything that jesus did and taught.

hmmm...Who are these Christians? I've read all sorts of different theological positions presented as Christian on this board, but I don't recall ever reading a post in which the Paul is interpreted to mean that we should be dressed more sexually than the Old Covenant, even if that covenant were to be abrogated.


BTW, do you remember what Jesus said he came to do with respect to the law and the prophets? (It's LAW, singular, not plural, that's an important distinction and that particular phrase has a very specific meaning.)