Why beat about the 'Middle East Bush' so late?

[Roasted Cashew]

A compromise will under all circumenstances result in israel being recognized as a country, and I am against the idea of palestinian lands being recognized as israeli and changed into israeli.

By asking for a compromise you are accepting and recognizing the barbaric imperialistic terror acts of israel, for acts of gooodness and that is not only against your own people but it is also against your religion.

There is no compromising regarding this conflict, Israel simply cannot exist!

Though I am a Muslim, I might slightly disagree with you. Doesn't the Qur'an say:
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things)."

I think compromise is needed. I mean, after all the sufferings and hardship, it's time for peace and a sense security for our Palestinian brothers and sisters. I agree with the demands of Mahmoud Abbas - East Jerusalem; No settlements, Right of return for the refugees; Back to the 19?? borders, etc.

It's another thing if Israel doesn't fulfill those demands but we should at least give it a chance. I am as skeptic as you but I still haven't lost the sence of optimism and hope. Though I totally agree with the Palestinian resistance(except for suicide bombings and civilian murders) as GOD allowed it.

"...God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you over religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just. God merely forbids you from taking as friends those who have fought you over religion and driven you from your homes and who supported your expulsion..."(Surat al-Mumtahana: 8-9)

 

[ahsan28]

The mighty President is upto his neck in global conflicts. He is hated and challenged everywhere. His blunders, brutalities and bias have triggered a world-wide insurgency, which he is trying to put down, under the false banner of the "Global War on Terror".

America cannot dictate the terms of what a Palestinian state will look like and that gives Israel free hand to grab more and more land and kill Palestinians on daily basis.

 

[ahsan28]

Though I am a Muslim, I might slightly disagree with
I think compromise is needed.

Not the way, Israel wants. That would be huge injustice to the sacrifices given by the Palestinians.

 

[Keltoi]

The mighty President is upto his neck in global conflicts. He is hated and challenged everywhere. His blunders, brutalities and bias have triggered a world-wide insurgency, which he is trying to put down, under the false banner of the "Global War on Terror".

America cannot dictate the terms of what a Palestinian state will look like and that gives Israel free hand to grab more and more land and kill Palestinians on daily basis.

What "worldwide" insurgency are you referring to? If you are referring to Islamic extremism, President Bush is hardly the only world leader who considers them enemies of civilization.

As for America not dictating the terms, that is true, the U.S. diplomats involved work as mediators. Adding to that, it is hard to settle on the specifics of a peace deal when there is a group like Hamas who is opposed to to any peace deal that doesn't involve the end of Israel as a state.

 

[Cognescenti]

The mighty President is upto his neck in global conflicts. He is hated and challenged everywhere. His blunders, brutalities and bias have triggered a world-wide insurgency, which he is trying to put down, under the false banner of the "Global War on Terror".

America cannot dictate the terms of what a Palestinian state will look like and that gives Israel free hand to grab more and more land and kill Palestinians on daily basis.

Yeah...that's it. Everything was just fine before Bush took office. The "all problems in the Muslim world are caused by the West" mantra is seriously tiresome.

You do seem to be at odds with your compatriots. On the one hand we are told Israel only survives from the support of the US and now you are saying the US cannot dictate terms to Israel (which is laregly true). It seems to me somebody has to be wrong. I tend to take your view on this point.

The US postion is that the Palestinian state needs to be economically viable and contiguous and that the Oslo Accord applies to settlements around Jerusalem (in other words, Israel needs to stop further construction there). Israel told us politely to jump in a lake on that issue.

 

[Cognescenti]

Not that the dear brother needs a defense, I think your attitude speaks volume.. I don't think the members here have a better opinion of you than you do of his, further I personally think you a fraud..

let me demonstrate:














pls give me the diagnosis of each of the above...

I see you online now, and don't have more than ten minutes to wait around for you to consult google, any carribean trained nurse's aid can get the above in less than three minutes of straining.. let's see how well you do!

cheers

Oh goodie. The first image is a 12-lead that is about 3 x 4 inches on my screen. Thanks for all the kilobytes. Fast, wide complex, monomorphic rhythm..makes you think V Tach, but as you goal is no doubt to make me look bad, I suspect a trap. There is something going on in the anterior leads. It looks like every other complex has a P-wave so it may a bundle branch problem explaining the QRS morphology. You will need to give me something that has more than 10 pixels. The rhytm strip is absolutely unreadable at this resolution.

Image 2...2 polymorphic QRS complexes with associated P-waves. The PR interval appears to be increasing (hard to tell after 2 complexex). The third complex may be a junctional beat indicating AV blockade. Then a run of V Tach...followed by what is probably a normally conducted beat...then another brief run of V Tach....then back to narrow complex again

Image 3 ....chaotic..looks bad ...V Fib

Image 4....absolutely microscopic on my screen. Looks like intermittent AV blockade with the odd junctional escape beat.

Image 5....black rectangle....might be your vacation pictures from Carlsbad Caverns or it could be a colonoscopy pic with a really, really bad prep.

So what happened? A couple of days ago we were having an interesting discussion about what goes on inside a mosque and now you are back to accusing me of having tertiary syphilis or to be suffering from alcoholism or even baldness.

Look, if I hurt your feelings in the kooky konspiracy discussion, I am sorry, you seem like an intelligent woman. I still can't believe you accept garbage like that.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

If Iran keeps harassing naval ships in international waters he might not have a choice, regardless of how "insane" he might be.

Yes, you're right! Prior to this. dubya didn't entertain the idea, did he....

 

[Muezzin]

PA and Cog, as... entertaining as this feud is, can all parties just drop it? Please?

Thank you.

 

[جوري]

Oh goodie. The first image is a 12-lead that is about 3 x 4 inches on my screen. Thanks for all the kilobytes. Fast, wide complex, monomorphic rhythm..makes you think V Tach, but as you goal is no doubt to make me look bad, I suspect a trap. There is something going on in the anterior leads. It looks like every other complex has a P-wave so it may a bundle branch problem explaining the QRS morphology. You will need to give me something that has more than 10 pixels. The rhytm strip is absolutely unreadable at this resolution.

Image 2...2 polymorphic QRS complexes with associated P-waves. The PR interval appears to be increasing (hard to tell after 2 complexex). The third complex may be a junctional beat indicating AV blockade. Then a run of V Tach...followed by what is probably a normally conducted beat...then another brief run of V Tach....then back to narrow complex again

Image 3 ....chaotic..looks bad ...V Fib

Image 4....absolutely microscopic on my screen. Looks like intermittent AV blockade with the odd junctional escape beat.

Image 5....black rectangle....might be your vacation pictures from Carlsbad Caverns or it could be a colonoscopy pic with a really, really bad prep.

So what happened? A couple of days ago we were having an interesting discussion about what goes on inside a mosque and now you are back to accusing me of having tertiary syphilis or to be suffering from alcoholism or even baldness.

Look, if I hurt your feelings in the kooky konspiracy discussion, I am sorry, you seem like an intelligent woman. I still can't believe you accept garbage like that.

sorting through more crap.. this was delicious!.. you didn't get one of them correct save for number three.. I suspect google helps after 24hrs ey?
the last one all you had to do was click on it and it would have jumped on your screen FRAUDTER!


it was only a pleasure to expose you

cheerrs

 

[جوري]

PA and Cog, as... entertaining as this feud is, can all parties just drop it? Please?

Thank you.

the moron is writing a composition on a simple torsades de pointes (hard to tell) he says, this is visible to the most untrained ambulance driver and he poses himself as a doc-- I honestly didn't even pick challengeing ones by virtue of his being 'out of practice' just judging on how much time he spends on this forum

ah this has only been a pleasure!

 

[Cognescenti]

the moron is writing a composition on a simple torsades de pointes (hard to tell) he says, this is visible to the most untrained ambulance driver and he poses himself as a doc-- I honestly didn't even pick challengeing ones by virtue of his being 'out of practice' just judging on how much time he spends on this forum

ah this has only been a pleasure!

Dearest, Toursades de Pointes is a ventriculalr tachycardia. I still can't get the last one to work on my sytem.

Glad you had fun though. I had fun too. I thought it was kind of challenging. You do realize I do Pediatrics. Some of my patients weigh 1 kg. They don't have ventricular arrhythmias. They don't have Toursade de Pointes. They don't even have PVC's.

You want to talk about the genetics of CF or the clincal features of Trisomy 18...we could have a good chat. BTW...what were the answers..I refuse to believe nothing I said about the others is correct.

 

[جوري]

Children don't get congenital heart disease? no tetralogy of fallot, no transpositions of the great vesseles? patent ductus arteriosus? no right to left shunts?
Anyhow I made my point and the rest goes on your conscious.. I have never encountered a more acidic pediatrician.. and that was the whole pt. of this exercise. Try to represent your profession if that is actually what you are (I have strong doubts)

1-supraventricular tachycardia
2-torsades de pointes indeed is a ventricular tachycardia but torsades de pointes has a very specific electrocardiographic recognition!
3-v-fib -- as easy to pick up as asystole but I gave you credit!
4-multifocal atrial tachycardia
5- which was the only challenging one as the 'delta' waves need a keen discerning eye of a cardiologist or someone who has recently reviewed it was Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

This has turned into a ''I'm better than you' thead!

 

[krypton6]

Though I am a Muslim, I might slightly disagree with you. Doesn't the Qur'an say:
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things)."

Israel have got all they ever wished for, ofcourse they want "peace" now!
Israel have stolen beyond 90% of Palestine, killed thousands of civilians, and driven millions away from their homes, do you really expect muslims to give any compromise after all this? Israel does not want peace! Peace in Israel would result on millions of jews moving to Israel, and as time goes and more jews arrive, Israel will get bigger and bigger and as it gets bigger and bigger, the islamic nations will get smaller and smaller! Israel does not want peace! If peace is what they want, then they would pack their bags and get the F out of Palestine, apologize for what they have done, and rebuild Palestine and give them their wealth back. Israel does not want peace, and peace they shall never get!

You cant invade a country, kill its people, steal its money and and lands, and then ask for peace! Its to late for peace!

The quran verse is more towards a real war, where 2 countries are fighting each other without any imperialism involved!

I think compromise is needed. I mean, after all the sufferings and hardship, it's time for peace and a sense security for our Palestinian brothers and sisters. I agree with the demands of Mahmoud Abbas - East Jerusalem; No settlements, Right of return for the refugees; Back to the 19?? borders, etc.

A compromise should never take place, especially after all the suffering and harm that israel have caused! Should we give up on what so many palestinians died for, and start compromising with the enemy instead?
If all palestinians one day accept and recognize israel, my goal will no longer be returning the lost and forgotten lands to them, my goal will be returning the lands to muslims, and not least return the betraying palestinians to god.

It's another thing if Israel doesn't fulfill those demands but we should at least give it a chance. I am as skeptic as you but I still haven't lost the sence of optimism and hope. Though I totally agree with the Palestinian resistance(except for suicide bombings and civilian murders) as GOD allowed it.

They wont fulfill anything because they cant! As more jews come to israel, israel will eventually grow and start imperialising again. We should never even give Israel a chance!

I agree with the palestinians who kill the israelis, INCLUDING the suicide bombing of the israeli "ciivlians", I am amazed by those suicide bombers and I wish them the best. You see in israel there are no civilians, theres not alot of places in this world where a person can just say "Nuke it", Israel on the other hand is one of the few because there trully are no innocent civilians in israel.

"...God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you over religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just. God merely forbids you from taking as friends those who have fought you over religion and driven you from your homes and who supported your expulsion..."(Surat al-Mumtahana: 8-9)

This verse backs me up. Here it clearly says; God forbids you from being good to those who have fought against your religion or driven you from your homes
God forbids you from being friends with those who have fought against your religion or driven you from your homes.

Israel have fought against our religion, by firstly banning Islam in Israel.
This verse that you just showed me, is a part of the quran, and if any person want to live in israel one cannot fight the government or fight israel. So in order to live in israel you must accept the israelis, the same people who drove you from your house. Israel does not allow this verse in the Quran, and a quran without this any verse is not a quran, thereby we can conclude that Islam is banned in israel. Do we not agree?

Israel have also driven us from our homes.

Conclusion: Peace with Israel is not only against the human moral, but it is illogical and against Islam.

 

[truemuslim]

This has turned into a ''I'm better than you' thead!

lol yeah...lol

 

[Cognescenti]

Children don't get congenital heart disease? no tetralogy of fallot, no transpositions of the great vesseles? patent ductus arteriosus? no right to left shunts?

Sure they do..they just don't have ventricular arrhythmias (except in rare cases). I can spot RVH from 20 ft away and I can spot a subtle ASD murmur and a peripheral pulmonary artery murmur because I deal with those.

Anyhow I made my point and the rest goes on your conscious... I have never encountered a more acidic pediatrician.. and that was the whole pt. of this exercise. Try to represent your profession if that is actually what you are (I have strong doubts)

Glad to hear I made you feel better. Thanks for your advice. I like kids and they like me, but my professional obligation does not extend to ideological enemies of the US on the internet (not talking about you).:smile:

1-supraventricular tachycardia

I can accept that...but you have to give a guy an image with enough resolution to see the **** P-waves. There is also something wrong with those QRS's..I suspect a bundle branch defect.[/QUOTE]

2-torsades de pointes indeed is a ventricular tachycardia but torsades de pointes has a very specific electrocardiographic recognition!

Yes, I see your point, but is that really fair to show me a
3 beat run of V Tach and then bust my chops because I don't call Toursades?

3-v-fib -- as easy to pick up as asystole but I gave you credit!

Why..that is bloody generous of you.

4-multifocal atrial tachycardia

Certainly possible..but shouldn't the image be big enough to distinguish the P wave morpholgy? How do you expect someone to read multiple atrial foci without being able to see the difference between the P-waves. Seems to me, even if it is as you say, there is intermittent AV block

5- which was the only challenging one as the 'delta' waves need a keen discerning eye of a cardiologist or someone who has recently reviewed it was Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome.

I actually picked up a case of WPW on a teen runner a few months ago. Still cant get the pic to pop up on my system.

Can we call a truce please so we dont make Muzzein mad?

 

[Cognescenti]

This has turned into a ''I'm better than you' thead!

..yes... sorry

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Peace in Israel would result on millions of jews moving to Israel, and as time goes and more jews arrive, Israel will get bigger and bigger and as it gets bigger and bigger, the islamic nations will get smaller and smaller! .[/B]

This is absurd! How many Jews do you think there are worldwide? 5 billion? 10 billion...? There are a few million (6/7 million I may be wrong) You think they are going to 'take over' all the Islamic nations? lol whatever it is you're taking dude, I'd give it up...

Also If you go by what you've said, then no peace is possible because of the past (and what is done today) Luckily people don't seem to hold the same view as you or we'd never have forgiven the germans, or the chinese etc etc ....

 

[ahsan28]

Yeah...that's it. Everything was just fine before Bush took office. The "all problems in the Muslim world are caused by the West" mantra is seriously tiresome.

So you are not ready to hold accountable your hero who has cost America its reputation in the world, besides causing destabilisation in entire Middle East and putting yet another bloody stain on the record of US leadership and another entry in the annals of US atrocities :embarrass

Did you ever take the pain to know about corpses of countless innocent victims of war on terror :embarrass

Have you ever heard about the term stress?


An arab lady Layla Anwar has tried to define the term in its true sense. It will increase your knowledge

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[krypton6]

This is absurd! How many Jews do you think there are worldwide? 5 billion? 10 billion...? There are a few million (6/7 million I may be wrong) You think they are going to 'take over' all the Islamic nations? lol whatever it is you're taking dude, I'd give it up...

Around 6 Million jews have caused so much harm in the middle east, god knows what harm further 14 Million jews alone could do.

Lets look away from the jews for a moment. Millions of christians support israel, peace in israel would make many christians move to israel, and we both agree on how many christians exist today. Not many christians are in fact against israel!

We dont even have to talk about jews and christians, its generally the whole west! Israel will turn into a western nation in the middle of the middle east, and there's no doubt that millions of westerns would move there if only peace existed there.

It does not even matter really, at the bottom line israel are living on stolen lands and that is not accepted, but fact is that the further the palestinians recognize israel the more israel will demand and the more they will grow.

Also If you go by what you've said, then no peace is possible because of the past (and what is done today) Luckily people don't seem to hold the same view as you or we'd never have forgiven the germans, or the chinese etc etc ....

Germany apologized and are against their past acts and they admit all of their past acts as wrong doings; They have bin forgiven by the entire world.(Same with the chinese)

Israel on the other hand are not even recognizing their past as acts of terrorism or even wrong acts, nor have they EVER apologized for their acts of terrorism and nor have they EVER helped the palestinians, and nor have they ever bin forgiven!

There WILL be peace in the middle east! It is only a matter of time before america will no longer be the worlds second top leading millitary super power.
India, China, Russia or Brazil will be the new super powers, and do you really expect any of them to be so stupid, that they are willing to support and maintain a small state called israel knowing that doing so will make them the enemies of 1.25 Billion people? I highly doubt that they will do so!

So as I said; it is only a matter of time before america will stop its massive yearly 3.5 billion aid to israel, and when that hapends the israelis will be gone, and peace will return to the middle east.