Why beat about the 'Middle East Bush' so late?

[AvarAllahNoor]

Hmmm, being all anti jew won't reolve the issue. Many jews who live outside are against what Isreal are doing. So you're tarring them all with the same brush mate.

 

[krypton6]

No I'm not against jews, in fact I like jews even more than christians, its just the cultural difference that makes me like prefere christians.

I am not against jews, I am against imperialism. Not many jews are against Israel just so you know!

Im not taking them with the same brush, it does not matter what their political aspects are, anyone that moves to israel will cause israel to grow regardless of ones political views, and most jews will move to israel as time goes if it gets safer, less than 1-5% of jews are actually against israel, and even less christians are against israel.

 

[Keltoi]

The population of Israel will grow due to immigration by non-Jews. I think the Jewish immigration to Israel has declined somewhat. When you have a democratic state with a viable economy the population will grow, regardless of the political situation.

 

[Cognescenti]

So you are not ready to hold accountable your hero who has cost America its reputation in the world, besides causing destabilisation in entire Middle East and putting yet another bloody stain on the record of US leadership and another entry in the annals of US atrocities :embarrass]

Ashan...that is the kind of rabid, spittle at the corner of the mouth, irrational anti-Americanism that will undercut you arguments except among the hard-cores who think just like you.

How about this. I will not claim OBL to be your hero and you don't claim Bush to be my hero. How is that, pal?

"destabilized" the ME...:yawn: That is so lame. Afghanistan had a decades long civil war before the US got involved after 9-11. Iraq was "stable"...yeah, sure, because it was a police state and all the troublemakers were either dead or in Hussein's prisons. Thanks to US forces in Kuwait, he hadn't invaded that country in few years. Pakistan had a military dictatorship...and was on the brink of war every month with India over the Kashmir. Lebanon was under the iron fist of Syrian. Lybia had a nuke development program. And, of course, Israel and the Palestinians were living in perfect harmony. We are talking about the Middle East on the 3rd planet from the sun, aren't we?

 

[minaz]

We are talking about the Middle East on the 3rd planet from the sun, aren't we?

There was a time when many saw the region as the light of the world.

There has been a lot of passionate opinions on this thread (and not just against one an other through strange tests?!!?), with Bush trying to stabilise the region by tackling the root cause of most of the anomosity, I wander if it will ever return to its former glory or just be a distant world.

 

[جوري]

it will happen as it is meant to happen.. read sura 17..
plus this.. you'll feel better insha'Allah
http://www.salaattime.com/downloads/anwar/Lectures/Allah is preparing us for victory.pdf

 

[krypton6]

The population of Israel will grow due to immigration by non-Jews. I think the Jewish immigration to Israel has declined somewhat. When you have a democratic state with a viable economy the population will grow, regardless of the political situation.

So you mean that westerns are the ones who will move to israel! And as the population of israel grows, more lands will be stolen and that cannot happend.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

A compromise should never take place, especially after all the suffering and harm that israel have caused! Should we give up on what so many palestinians died for, and start compromising with the enemy instead?
If all palestinians one day accept and recognize israel, my goal will no longer be returning the lost and forgotten lands to them, my goal will be returning the lands to muslims, and not least return the betraying palestinians to god.
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So what is your solution to this Israeli-Palestinian conflict? They way you are talking is exactly how some hard line Zionists talk about Imprealising Palestine without compromise to Palestinians and etc,etc. I mean I'm sure there are hard liners on the other side as well. It's time to put ego, self-pride a side. Don't you think that the Jews deseve a home as well? I know it can be anywhere else on the world but don't you understand that they have their own holy lands in Israel. Just like we back our resistance with the Qur'an they back their occupation with their holy book. It's time we stop fighting and "get-over" the past. There will be time when other Zionist hardliners will be Pm and Presidents. if an oppurtunity rises, let's accept it. Any ya, let us assume if the demands of Fatah's Mahmoud Abbas are fullfilled, would you not be happy?

 

[Keltoi]

So you mean that westerns are the ones who will move to israel! And as the population of israel grows, more lands will be stolen and that cannot happend.

Actually, the Arab population in Israel is rising. Westerners will usually stick to the West.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I get sick of the entire conflict taking so much of the world's attention. I frankly don't care much anymore about Israel or Palestine. I say we give the two sides 5 years to make nice with each other or we eliminate them BOTH and then give the land to somebody who never complains, like Greenland or something. Maybe a common threat will make them work together for a change.

 

[krypton6]

So what is your solution to this Israeli-Palestinian conflict? They way you are talking is exactly how some hard line Zionists talk about Imprealising Palestine without compromise to Palestinians and etc,etc. I mean I'm sure there are hard liners on the other side as well. It's time to put ego, self-pride a side. Don't you think that the Jews deseve a home as well? I know it can be anywhere else on the world but don't you understand that they have their own holy lands in Israel. Just like we back our resistance with the Qur'an they back their occupation with their holy book. It's time we stop fighting and "get-over" the past. There will be time when other Zionist hardliners will be Pm and Presidents. if an oppurtunity rises, let's accept it. Any ya, let us assume if the demands of Fatah's Mahmoud Abbas are fullfilled, would you not be happy?

Israel the empire that existed, was a great empire 2000 YEARS AGO! The first jews who lived in Israel were following the valid judaism, those jews were no less than muslims! So you cannot say that the israelis were the ancestors of the modern jews. The modern jews are the children of the jews who continued to follow the unvalid Judaism.

In islam you believe that christianity and judaism were both valid to follow at their own ages, and anyone who followed it at the time they were valid are considered muslims. The jews of Israel were muslims, it was only after many hundreds of years that judaism became unvalid to follow. The modern jews claim that Judaism was never changed, muslims claim that it was!
Muslims claim that the first israelis were in fact no less than "muslims" (bani-israel), jews claim that the first israelis were "jews", which is true but they fail to realise and understand that in islam anyone who followed judaism at the time that it was valid to follow, are considered muslims (bani-israel).

What the zionists are doing is completely rediculous. The ottomans lost their empire nearly a century ago, can they claim it back? The romans lost their empire ages ago but can they claim it back? How come the jews can claim a empire back that they lost 2700 years ago? Why can jews but muslims or romans cannot reclaim their empires? Why

Fine jews invade another country and steal their lands! But why did they have to do it in such a barbaric way killing thousands of defending civilians? Why did they have to kill so many innocent children, and why did they have to bulldoze their houses, why did they have to steal theirs riches? Why did they have to steal 90% of their lands! Why couldnt they just live with 10% and leave 90% to the palestinians? Not to mention why DO they have to...!
They are still killing thousands of civilians, still bulldozing houses, still stealign the money of families, still stealing more lands! The fact that they have done all that makes it too late for a compromise!

The israeilis do not deserve a home! They have proven that they do not deserve a home. They have proven that death is the only thing they deserve, and they shall get what they deserve.

Perhaps if they asked the palestinians first, and bought the lands instead of stealing it, it would be "allright", but they barbarically stole it and are stealing it!

The solution for all this is kicking the israelis out of palestine. This will happend and noone can deny that! America wont be the worlds second top leading millitary super power for ever! In less than 50 years India, Russia, Brazil or China will be the leading super powers, and do you really believe that they want to start a war against 1.25 Billion muslims? No they will not, and when we reach that age Israel will be alone in the middle east, and you dont need to be smart to know that their furture is not bright. The palestinians will just have to keep doing what they have bin doing so greatly for the last 60 years, they will if god willing return to their lands!

"Actually, the Arab population in Israel is rising. Westerners will usually stick to the West."

The arab population of israel is not rising in anyway! The only arabs in israel are the betrayers or the ones stuck there but its not rising. On the other hand the arab population of Palestine is rising greatly! Giving the avarage family more than 5 children!


(God I hate writing)

 

[krypton6]

I say we give the two sides 5 years to make nice with each other or we eliminate them BOTH and then give the land to somebody who never complains

If someone stole your house and killed your family would you not complain?

 

[Cognescenti]

I get sick of the entire conflict taking so much of the world's attention. I frankly don't care much anymore about Israel or Palestine. I say we give the two sides 5 years to make nice with each other or we eliminate them BOTH and then give the land to somebody who never complains, like Greenland or something. Maybe a common threat will make them work together for a change.

I too am sick of the whole thing. I am sick of the Arab side for whining about losing land after they started several wars to exterminate the Jews. I am sick of the Jewish settlers waving an old text in the air and claiming they have a God-given right. I am sick of the corrupt Palestinian leadership and I am sick of the iditotic Jewish zealots who assassinate their own leaders when they try to make peace. I am sick of the two-faced Arab "leaders" who pretend to advocate for the Palestinians when they in fact perpetuate the problem to keep restive groups at home occupied. I am sick of the Iranians and Hizbollah who pretend they are helping the Palestinians when, in fact, any idot can see that shooting rockets into Israel will not defeat Israel, it will just make the peace process fizzle.

I am also getting pretty **** tired of web denizens claiming that Israel can only survive because of US aid and US aircraft carriers turned the balance in the 67 war and other such idiocies which seem to abound here. As for the video of a whole street-full of retarded, insular, deluded Palestinian men, women and children dancing in glee at the news of the WTC collapse...that is just the icing on the cake. I say **** *** *** at this point. If they can't get along, let them duel to the death with the weapons they have and when they run out they can use stones and olive branches. If the Biblical prophesies turn out true then I am covered, if the Quranic prophesies turn out true then I will try to revert real quick. If one side has to win, I would lean toward the Jews but sometimes it is fun to vote for the underdogs. I suspect that a big, smoking crater would be the most likely outcome. That is fine too, then I could get back to reading high school football scores instead of stories about homicide bombers.

 

[Muezzin]

Time out. People need to seriously consider the way in which they express their opinions.

Passion is fine. Advocating genocide of two groups of people is not.

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