Why did "God" come down to earth/appear specifically to the Jews?

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Why do you think God is too exalted to reveal himself in human form if he chose to
do so?

Thanks,
Jim

The answer lies in the Holy Qur'an and the Ahadith:

42:11 "There is nothing whatever like unto Him"

Nothing is like Him. Therefore, no human form can take the shape of Allah Himself.

Should Allah reveal Himself, it would be too much for this universe:

Abu Musa reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was standing amongst us and he told us five things. He said: Verily the Exalted and Mighty God does not sleep, and it does not befit Him to sleep. He lowers the scale and lifts it. The deeds in the night are taken up to Him before the deeds of the day. and the deeds of the day before the deeds of the night. His veil is the light. In the hadith narrated by Abu Bakr (instead of the word" light" ) it is fire. If he withdraws it (the veil), the splendor of His countenance would consume His creation so far as His sight reaches. (Book 1, Hadith 343)
(Sahih Muslim)

Let's not forget the story of Hazrat Musa (as). He asked Allah to show Himself to him, but when Allah showed just a tiny glimpse, the width of the tip of one's finger (according to the explanation by Ibn Kathir), then the mountain shattered in front of Musa (as), and he fell unconscious as a result of that. (Read Ibn Kathir tafsir on verse 7:143) No one has the power to withstand seeing Allah in this life. It is too much for us.

This verse is also saying that we cannot see Allah in this life, because it is possible. But, if a mountain shattered at only the amount of a fingertip of the glimpse of Allah, then what of a human being who wants to see Him? It is not possible to behold Allah. We are not made to withstand it. That is the answer from the Holy Qur'an. The Ahadith of Rasul-e-Karim (saw) also corroborates this fact. There is no way to get around it.

A weak human being cannot encompass the glory of Allah. Jesus (as) was a humble man and a Prophet as well as Messenger of Allah. He was extremely close to Allah and the closest to Rasul-e-Karim (saw) because of his high spiritual standing with Allah. However, no human being, and in fact, no human form can withstand the force behind the lifting of the veil of Allah. If He showed Himself, then nothing could withstand that power. Therefore, it is impossible that Allah ever would or ever did reveal Himself in human form.

No one can see Allah in this life, and no one can speak with Allah except by revelation, behind a veil, or by sending a messenger. Therefore, if Allah only speaks to us in these ways, then the only way that Allah would reveal Himself is through some sort of vision or dream, and not in a form which our eyes see things in everyday life, because obviously Musa (as) could not see him in that manner.

Adding to that, the Dajjal will claim to be Allah Himself, and the Holy Prophet (saw) said that no one will be able to see Allah until they die. Therefore, there is no possibility that Allah would come in human form to mankind. In fact, should this ever happen, it would be the Dajjal himself who would be this human deceiving mankind into worshiping him. So considering this expectation amongst Muslims about the Dajjal, this literal interpretation (which I instead take in a metaphorical manner) is the very reason why your argument could never prove fruitful since Muslims only expect a deceiver to try this, and not Allah Himself.

To add more to my argument, if Allah were to come in human form, it would imply that He had to have been born of a mother. Otherwise, who would believe that a human being is God? Yes, He could show signs of this, but many people would disbelieve in it thinking it to be magic. Not everyone believes in miracles, especially with the rise of Atheism these days. Miracles are so frowned upon, that they are considered a joke amongst many people in the world now. Sad to say. With that in mind, and Christianity being a joke in the eyes of Atheists, how would they ever accept someone who claims the same thing Jesus did, and says they are God Himself? People would call Him names and joke about Him. Is that part of the majesty of God to have people spit in His face? Astaghfirullah!

Allah is not subject to birth or death. "He begets not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him." (112:3-4) How can He be subject to birth when He is the First before anyone and everything, no matter how far back you try to go? Allah is always present, witness to everything. A human is limited, while Allah is not. How can He confine Himself when He is not confined? Allah is the Last after everything, no matter how far into the future you go, so how can you say He has an end when He can have no end?

The argument is very clear from the Holy Qur'an (which is based upon reason and wisdom), that it is beneath Allah to have to manifest Himself as a human being. Holy is He! Far above everything! After everything perishes, His face will remain. Can you say the same about Jesus (as)? No. Everything will perish except Him. Allah is far above having to need to resort to coming in the form of a human being.
 
In addition, lets ponder on it, would it be of Allah's wisdom to reveal himself physically? if so, why??, isn't His whole creation supposed to lead us to manifest Him and believe in His existence? Isn't that the purpose of our minds and hearts?
Faith supposed to be profoundly emphasised in our hearts. The truth is, its a trick of satan to want humanbeings to have a superficial prespective on everything in life, especially when it comes to faith. May Allah Subhanah protect us, have mercy on us, guide us, make us sucessful, make it easy for us, fulfil us, forgive us, and make us geniune in belief, Ameen
 
In addition, lets ponder on it, would it be of Allah's wisdom to reveal himself physically? if so, why??, isn't His whole creation supposed to lead us to manifest Him and believe in His existence? Isn't that the purpose of our minds and hearts?
May I ask hypothetical questions of you ...

If God were to come down to earth in the form of Jesus, why do you think he would do so?
And could you use only the Quran and Hadiths to explain your answer?

Thanks,
Jim
 

How do you define beget/begotten?

Thanks,
Jim


To engender, be born of a woman to descend upon a woman impregnate her with self and go through her birthing canal!
albeit it the process here would need different 'gods' not one god, for who will look after the world if a monotheistic god is a zygote or suckling?

best,
 
How do you define beget/begotten?

be·get
/bɪˈgɛt/ Spelled [bih-get]
verb (used with object), be·got or ( Archaic ) be·gat; be·got·ten or be·got; be·get·ting.
1.
(especially of a male parent) to procreate or generate(offspring).
2.
to cause; produce as an effect: a belief that powerbegets power.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/begotten?s=t

In the Apostles Creed it clearly states that Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) is begotten not made. Begetting is an aninal act of sexual procreation which only animals and human beings are capable of.
 

How do you define beget/begotten?

Thanks,
Jim


I am going to quote the Tafsirs for you in this case, because I do not want to say what these verses mean specifically by mentioning my own opinion on the matter.

Tafsir Al-Jalalayn:
He neither begot, for no likeness of Him can exist, nor was begotten, since createdness is precluded in His case.

Tanwir al-Miqbas min Tafsir Ibn Abbas:
And it is also said that al-Samad means He begetteth not nor was begotten) He says: He did not inherit and will not be inherited; and it is also said this means: He does not have a son who will inherit His dominion and He was not begotten, which means that He did not inherit His dominion.

Ibn Kathir:
(As-Samad) is One Who does not give birth, nor was He born, because there is nothing that is born except that it will die, and there is nothing that dies except that it leaves behind inheritance, and indeed Allah does not die and He does not leave behind any inheritance.

Asbab An-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi (this is a full explanation of the short Surah 112, Surah Al-Ikhlas):
(Say: He is Allah, the One! Allah, the eternally Besought of all…) [112:1-4]. Qatadah, al-Dahhak and Muqatil said: “A group of Jewish people went to the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, and said to him: 'Describe to us your Lord, for He has revealed His description in the Torah. Tell us: what is He made of? And to which species does He belong? Is He made of gold, copper or silver? Does He eat and drink? Who did He inherit this world from? And to whom will He bequeath it?' And so Allah, gloried and exalted is He, revealed this Surah. It is Allah's specific lineage. Abu Nasr Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al-Mihrajani informed us> 'Ubayd Allah ibn Muhammad al-Zahid> Abu'l-Qasim ibn Bint Mani'> his grandfather Ahmad ibn Mani'> Abu Sa'd al-Saghghani> Abu Ja'far al-Razi> al-Rabi' ibn Anas> Abu'l-'Aliyah> Ubayy ibn Ka'b who related that the idolaters said to the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace: “What is the lineage of your Lord?” and so Allah, exalted is He, revealed (Say: He is Allah, the One! Allah, the eternally Besought of all). The eternally Besought of all (al-Samad) is Him Who (begetteth not nor was begotten) for anyone who is begotten will certainly die and whoever dies will be inherited. Allah does not die nor is He inherited. (And there is none comparable unto Him), He does not have anyone who resembles Him or is like Him (Naught is as His likeness…) [42:11]. Abu Mansur al-Baghdadi informed us> Abu'l-Hasan al-Sarraj> Muhammad ibn 'Abd Allah al-Hadrami> Surayj ibn Yunus> Isma'il ibn Mujalid> Mujalid> al-Sha'bi> Jabir who said: “The Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, was asked: 'O Messenger of Allah, tell us about the lineage of your Lord!' And so this Surah (Say: He is Allah, the One!...) was revealed”.

Tafsir Al-Tustari:
He neither begot,such that He appoints heirs, nor was begotten, for in that case His sovereignty (mulk) would be something temporal (muḥdath). It is also a confirmation of His unicity (waḥdāniyya), and a disavowal of His dependence on causes (asbāb), and a refutation (radd) of the disbelievers.

I hope that helps. It essentially means, from what all of these say, that Allah was not given birth to by anyone at any point in time, nor does he give birth to anyone from Himself so that He has a son, or any heir of any sort. Thus, this is why the Tafsirs say Allah does not inherit, nor does anyone inherit from Him.

Let me know if anything else requires clarification.
 

In the Apostles Creed it clearly states that Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) is begotten not made. Begetting is an aninal act of sexual procreation which only animals and human beings are capable of.

Did Muhammad believe Jesus was born through sexual procreation or that he was born
without a father?

Peace,
Jim
 
I hope that helps. It essentially means, from what all of these say, that Allah was not given birth to by anyone at any point in time, nor does he give birth to anyone from Himself so that He has a son, or any heir of any sort. Thus, this is why the Tafsirs say Allah does not inherit, nor does anyone inherit from Him.

Let me know if anything else requires clarification.

Do you mean Allah birthing with a consort? ... because this is not what I believe.

Peace,
Jim
 
Did Muhammad believe Jesus was born through sexual procreation or that he was born
without a father?

Peace,
Jim

Why don't you go and read the Holy Qur'an instead of asking stupid questions?

Muhammad (SalAllahu Alayhi Sallam) believes that the birth of Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) was a miracle in the sense that he was 'made' through the virgin Mary without a father.
 
Abu Loren I can't see your post because there's something wrong with the forum except on Safari but wish to rep. you positively for it :ia:

here's the answer to our pal:

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Muhammad (SalAllahu Alayhi Sallam) believes that the birth of Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) was a miracle in the sense that he was 'made' through the virgin Mary without a father.

Thanks.

I was thinking about the statements made in the Quran about God having a son or
being too exalted for what they ascribe to him (2.116, 4:171, 6:100, 10:18, 10:68,
17:111, 19:91-92, 21:26, 23:91).

So it seems like someone was trying to influence people into believing Jesus was
born in some biological sense of God having a son in a procreative manner.

Personally I would not see it as blasphemy or beyond God to come down to
mankind in the form of a man (while not losing his Deity). I can't grasp this
concept 100% but it is what the Gospel of John mentions.

Peace,
Jim
 
Thanks.

I was thinking about the statements made in the Quran about God having a son or
being too exalted for what they ascribe to him (2.116, 4:171, 6:100, 10:18, 10:68,
17:111, 19:91-92, 21:26, 23:91).

So it seems like someone was trying to influence people into believing Jesus was
born in some biological sense of God having a son in a procreative manner.

Personally I would not see it as blasphemy or beyond God to come down to
mankind in the form of a man (while not losing his Deity). I can't grasp this
concept 100% but it is what the Gospel of John mentions.

Peace,
Jim

Again, why would the Lord of the Universe need to come down as a man when He could send men to do His bidding? Allah is the King of the universe (naturally). So does a king go out to each and every one of his subjects and tell them to pay homage to him? No. A King delegates and sends emissaries and messengers to spread the message of his rule. Allah does not need these messengers, but He sends them anyways.

Then again, if you have ideas about God implanted into you from the Bible, it is hard to get rid of them unless you read the Qur'an and learn the true words of Allah which emanated from Him, not a man named John who had ideas and wrote them down about God. Just remember, the Bible has been tampered with.
 
Fact is if :Allah: :swt: reveals himself the matter would already be done and that's addressed on suret al baqara I believe verse numer 210 but can't double check now since I am using my phone!

There's no point in the professor handing out the answers to the exam then what will we've learned?
We're not in paradise and life isn't a rehearsal - this is pretty much it and we should be ready as it can be over in an instant!

:w:
 
شَادِنُ;1570930 said:
Fact is if :Allah: :swt: reveals himself the matter would already be done and that's addressed on suret al baqara I believe verse numer 210 but can't double check now since I am using my phone!

There's no point in the professor handing out the answers to the exam then what will we've learned?
We're not in paradise and life isn't a rehearsal - this is pretty much it and we should be ready as it can be over in an instant!

:w:

You're right. I forgot to look at that verse on this matter. That same verse is mentioned in Surah Al-An'am as well.
 
Personally I would not see it as blasphemy or beyond God to come down to
mankind in the form of a man (while not losing his Deity).

You may not have a problem with god emerging from the womb of a woman, crying, being helpless, having to defaecate, being killed, which as I said before, does strike me as being similar in some ways to the Hindu stories about god.

Think. Open your eyes Jim. Whether it's a belief you've been brought up with all your life, or you embraced it recently, doesn't mean it's correct. It may be disturbing and uncomfortable to acknowledge that fact, but you owe it to yourself.

I can't grasp this
concept 100% but it is what the Gospel of John mentions.

Do you think there might be a reason that you can't grasp the concept? The reason being that it's not true? That it's not what God said? Have you ever wondered why God would give you a concept you don't understand, can't explain, doesn't make sense, and then tell you that your salvation depends upon that confusing belief?

Would you agree that the concept of God in Islam (re-quoted below) is clear, simple, logical, makes sense, and is actually befitting of the Majesty of God?


There is only One God. He alone should be worshipped. He is our Creator, Sustainer, Cherisher, and Lord. No being, no object, nothing other than Him, is worthy of prayer/worship.

He does not beget, nor is He begotten. He has no sons, daughters, siblings, parents, cousins, or relatives of any sort.

He is eternal and does not die.

He does not depend on anyone/anything yet we all depend on Him. He is free of all want and need.

There is nothing like Him. He is all Hearing, all Seeing, all Knowing, all Powerful, the Creator of the Universe.

He did not and does not, dwell in human or animal bodies, nor are there any incarnations of Him. He is not mixed up in His creation in any way.

He is not composed of persons, nor a trinity. There are no secondary, lesser, greater, equal, or multiple gods, no intermediaries, and no denying of God's existence either.

There are no sharers or associates or parts whatsoever in His exclusive Divinity. Simply, He is One, in every sense.

Out of the above, which would you have a problem with, and why? If you can accept the above, but it's the issue of salvation or atonement of sins, that can be addressed.

Regarding God being in the form of a man, Allah says that He does not compare in any way to any part of His creation, or anything else (112:4). The minute you say He dwells in a man or is a man, that being cannot be God because there is nothing like Him and He is not mixed up in His creation in any way.

Also, nobody can see God, but God is the one who sees all:

Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted. (6:103)

Peace.
 
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Very well put. No one can see Allah in this life, and He is beyond everyone's grasp. Were he to come into this world and show Himself, the world would not survive because of His power.
 
The thing is the Christians, especially, do not understand the majesty of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. What do you expect from a people who believe that one can get drunk and do all sorts of unimaginable sins and go confess to a priest and then god, a white bearded fluffy father christmas type of figure will forgive them.

In a nutshell they do not FEAR God Almighty.
 

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