Why do muslims use the bible if they don't 'believe' in it?

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Woodrow said:
I'm not sure what lack of Peter's words you are referring to. Could you be more specific on what issue Peter's words are missing from?

This may possibly be a separate argument in your view. I was formerly a Catholic and Catholics believe that Peter was the direct successor to Isa(as) on Earth. (The First Pope) But, there is basically no historical records of any Church Doctrine that he established etc. It is like he vanished and then was over shadowed by Paul.
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catholics are weird, they worship and pray to mary and other saints and have all kinds of idols and images in their churches. plus the idolatry related to the pope is ridiculous to me. i never understood that if catholics hold in regard the teachings of the old testament why do they pray to mary kiss all these pictures of her and crosses and the pope's ring smh
"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another..." -Isaiah 42:8

the end
 
westcoast said:
"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another..." -Isaiah 42:8
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So why do people worship Jesus son of Mary peace be upon them aswell? Why not just your LORD alone as he has stated? :)
 
westcoast said:
catholics are weird, they worship and pray to mary and other saints and have all kinds of idols and images in their churches. plus the idolatry related to the pope is ridiculous to me. i never understood that if catholics hold in regard the teachings of the old testament why do they pray to mary kiss all these pictures of her and crosses and the pope's ring smh
"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another..." -Isaiah 42:8

the end
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Would it be safe to say that you do not believe in Catholicism?
 
Woodrow said:
Would it be safe to say that you do not believe in Catholicism?
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Yup. I have many catholic family members, my grandmother for one.. and through her i have learned of many weird customs they have.. for example, a beaded necklace with a cross (rosary) in which they have all kinds of prayers, one dedicated to mary..
Also in mexico they have a saint for pretty much everybody, a saint for prostitutes, a saint for thieves, a saint for illegal immigrants (believe it or not) and each person has a saint they pray to. In the news they showed some segment of illegal immigrants preparing to cross the U.S-Mexico border, and they were kneeling to the "saint of illegals" LOL or whatever his name is to keep them safe
and prostitutes "pray" to the "saint of prostitutes" so they dont catch any venereal diseases

absolutely ridiculous.
 
Regarding saints:


Is not Allah enough for his Servant? But they try to frighten thee with other (gods) besides Him! for such as Allah leaves to stray, there can be no guide.

And such as Allah doth guide there can be none to lead astray. Is not Allah Exalted in Power, (Able to enforce His Will), Lord of Retribution?

If indeed thou ask them who it is that created the heavens and the earth, they would be sure to say, "Allah". Say: "See ye then? the things that ye invoke besides Allah,- can they, if Allah wills some Penalty for me, remove His Penalty?- Or if He wills some Grace for me, can they keep back his Grace?" Say: "Sufficient is Allah for me! In Him trust those who put their trust."​


[Qur'an 39: 36-38]​
 
It is quite interesting that Catholics make up over 1/2 of the worlds Christians. Yet the remainder of the worlds Christians do not even use the same Bible. It seems that there is some error someplace if each thinks the other's Bible is in error.

So here we have 2 very distinct groups that can not agree on which is the true Bible.

This is one reason I am convinced that a true intact bible no longer exists. The Bible of today is not what Isa(as) revealed.

Yes, all versions of the Bible do contain some truths and those truths are in the Qur'an. This only shows that at some point the Bible did have the full word of God(swt) and that is why it is valid to use the parts that are in agreement with the Qur'an, as evidence for refutations.
 
catholics are wrong for the simple fact that they have idols when the old testament in both Bibles clearly forbids it

ps: my grandma slapped me when i told her not to pray to mary :(
peace
 
westcoast said:
Yup. I have many catholic family members, my grandmother for one.. and through her i have learned of many weird customs they have.. for example, a beaded necklace with a cross (rosary) in which they have all kinds of prayers, one dedicated to mary..
Also in mexico they have a saint for pretty much everybody, a saint for prostitutes, a saint for thieves, a saint for illegal immigrants (believe it or not) and each person has a saint they pray to. In the news they showed some segment of illegal immigrants preparing to cross the U.S-Mexico border, and they were kneeling to the "saint of illegals" LOL or whatever his name is to keep them safe
and prostitutes "pray" to the "saint of prostitutes" so they dont catch any venereal diseases

absolutely ridiculous.
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You have pretty well summed up how we as Muslims view all people who call themselves Christians. There are some big errors someplace.
 
westcoast said:
catholics are wrong for the simple fact that they have idols when the old testament in both Bibles clearly forbids it

ps: my grandma slapped me when i told her not to pray to mary :(
peace
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may Allah reward you and give you guidance.

you seem like a logical fella :).


Doesnt the unique monotheism of islam attract you?

No other religion like islam so strongly forbids associating other partners to God :).


I wish you the best west.
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
may Allah reward you and give you guidance.

you seem like a logical fella :).


Doesnt the unique monotheism of islam attract you?

No other religion like islam so strongly forbids associating other partners to God :).


I wish you the best west.
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Ameen to those words Brother and I too also pray for the Best for Westcoast and all non-believers.
 
The differences between the Catholic Church and the Protestant schism are fairly pronounced, but revolve mainly around Catholic religious traditions and rituals. I do not consider Catholics to be any more "polytheistic" than Baptists. All Christians worship the One God, and He only. The Virgin Mary and the Saints are important to Catholic tradition and not so much to Christian faith.
 
In terms of Catholics, like Westcoast, I would not put much stock in much of anything they say. I'll just list a few reasons. For one, they don't believe that you as a human being can have power over sin and your past lifestyle, which the Bible clearly states. Two, they believe that the Pope is infallible when talking about the things of God. Three, I don't believe their traditions are inspired by the God of the Bible, because if they were, then he would have spelled it out quite perfectly in the New Testament, so there could be no misunderstanding about them, just like he spelled out all of the rituals that the Jews were to abide by in the Old Testament. So yeah, try not to judge Biblical Christianity on what Catholics believe.
 
Fedos said:
In terms of Catholics, like Westcoast, I would not put much stock in much of anything they say. I'll just list a few reasons. For one, they don't believe that you as a human being can have power over sin and your past lifestyle, which the Bible clearly states. Two, they believe that the Pope is infallible when talking about the things of God. Three, I don't believe their traditions are inspired by the God of the Bible, because if they were, then he would have spelled it out quite perfectly in the New Testament, so there could be no misunderstanding about them, just like he spelled out all of the rituals that the Jews were to abide by in the Old Testament. So yeah, try not to judge Biblical Christianity on what Catholics believe.
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your entire post is null and void as i'm not a catholic but have iterated the same thing in a different thread.
nice try though.
 
This is a misinterpretation of the coma I think. As he wrote it, he wasn't calling you a Catholic, he was saying that you agree with what he was writing.
 
Pygoscelis said:
This is a misinterpretation of the coma I think. As he wrote it, he wasn't calling you a Catholic, he was saying that you agree with what he was writing.
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Yeah, that's what I meant. I was actually agreeing with you, Westcoast:D
 
Keltoi said:
I do not consider Catholics to be any more "polytheistic" than Baptists. All Christians worship the One God, and He only. The Virgin Mary and the Saints are important to Catholic tradition and not so much to Christian faith.
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I disagree. Catholics display statues of both Jesus on the cross and Mary. The Hail Mary prayer is an example of Catholics praying to someone other than Allah. Catholics also refer to Mary as the "Mother of God", but Protestants (Baptists) do not believe this. Muslims revere Mary as one of the most respected women of all time and a sura (chapter) of the Quran details her life story more than the New Testament.

The fundamental principle of Islam is that Allah is the One and only God and that He is not begotten (born) to any parent and He does not beget (sire) any children. We Muslims have no mental image of Allah when we pray, but we are aware that he "sees" us in a way that I don't comprehend.
 
MustafaMc said:
I disagree. Catholics display statues of both Jesus on the cross and Mary. The Hail Mary prayer is an example of Catholics praying to someone other than Allah. Catholics also refer to Mary as the "Mother of God", but Protestants (Baptists) do not believe this. Muslims revere Mary as one of the most respected women of all time and a sura (chapter) of the Quran details her life story more than the New Testament.

The fundamental principle of Islam is that Allah is the One and only God and that He is not begotten (born) to any parent and He does not beget (sire) any children. We Muslims have no mental image of Allah when we pray, but we are aware that he "sees" us in a way that I don't comprehend.
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Actually, Protestants do consider Mary to be the mother of Jesus Christ. Protestants and Catholics believe Jesus Christ to be God, so logically Mary then becomes the "Mother of God" in that limited sense, as being the birth mother of Jesus Christ.
 
Keltoi said:
Actually, Protestants do consider Mary to be the mother of Jesus Christ. Protestants and Catholics believe Jesus Christ to be God, so logically Mary then becomes the "Mother of God" in that limited sense, as being the birth mother of Jesus Christ.
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Yes, but Protestants don't claim to have visions of Mary, sometimes with Mary talking back and forth with them (heard this on EWTN once). Nor do they claim that Mary intercedes for them, a position described in the Bible as Christ's and Christ's alone.
 

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