Why do you live in the West if you hate it so?

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Didn't expect you to say that! Of course you lose...and win... or some people win times infinity and some ppl win times infinity times infinity ;D

Mujahedeen are in AL-FIRDUOS AL A'LAA... Not all believers are there! i.e hope to see you on the battle field InshaALLAH!

so some win betta no1 loses tho!!! going to jannah is certainly a victory and not a loss

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[IbnAbdulHakim]

Haha! You kids are hilarious! I struggle with your grasp of English at the best of times, so excuse me if I stumbled through your post!

Are you saying that no Mu'min have ever been defeated?! Just want to clarify that full stop...

it may appear as tho there death and visual loss in war is a defeat but there reward and that which awaits them is there victory


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[dishdash]

Yes. Ahmeen.

 

[Al-Zaara]

Salaam

Yeah I understand, but someone who's in a worse situation iman wise can't comment of actaul belivers iman.

But isn't he who doesn't practicise Islam, just by name a Muslim, a hypocrite?
Then he is no better than the unbeliever.

 

[Dawud_uk]

Why do some Muslims still live in western societies when they oppose western governments and western ways of life?

I can’t understand why some who live in Britain/USA preach so much hatred for the countries they reside in.
I know some who preach this hatred are merely immature and misguide Muslims (imo) and many still to young to leave home but many of these still continue to live in western lands well after they become adult.

So if your living in a Western country and hate there ways what is your reason for staying and not leaving for a Muslim country?

I am not saying all Muslims hate living in the west

peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence J,

i was born here, i was raised here and my family are all non-muslim but yes i recognise it would be better for my iman (faith) if i made hijrah (migration for the sake of Allah to the muslim lands).

so i do not hate the west, i love Britain, though hate its history and present foreign policy, i think the UK has a lot worth salvaging and insha'Allah (God willing) i intend on helping as many people as possible see the truth of islam and that it offers the solutions to the problems in society seen in the west today.

i hope you seriously look at islam and see the same beautiful simple message that i did that made me accept islam.

peace,

Daw'ud

 

[dishdash]

And ahmeen to that too Daw'ud. Insh'Allah we ALL see that message. Revert, Born Moslem and non-Moslem...

Everyone of us was born a Moslem - we should pray that ALL find their way to Jannah.

I would say that finding fault with a country's past is a fruitless and frustrating little demon! - understanding the history is where the lessons are honestly learned. Finding fault with a country's present is fine, but use that to create change not to justify running. That's my view anyway.

I would say that there has to be an arguement for those luminaries with the ability to stay in the non-Moslem countries and help lead those (born or non) out of the darkness? There is more reward there insh'Allah.

 

[Dawud_uk]

And ahmeen to that too Daw'ud. Insh'Allah we ALL see that message. Revert, Born Moslem and non-Moslem...

Everyone of us was born a Moslem - we should pray that ALL find their way to Jannah.

I would say that finding fault with a country's past is a fruitless and frustrating little demon! - understanding the history is where the lessons are honestly learned. Finding fault with a country's present is fine, but use that to create change not to justify running. That's my view anyway.

I would say that there has to be an arguement for those luminaries with the ability to stay in the non-Moslem countries and help lead those (born or non) out of the darkness? There is more reward there insh'Allah.

assalaamu alaykum dishdash,

the problem is everyone in the west is in deniel over our history, and really it is one blood soaked adventure after another, subhanallah and they ask us to be proud of this.

really the afghanis and iraqis are getting off likely compared to the past, you know winston Churchill the great war hero actually ordered the dropping gas on the kurds back when it was british empire terrority? same thing they want to try saddam for. subhanallah and these are their heroes, no wonder they are messed up.

assalaamu alaykum,
Daw'ud

 

[Inshallah]

Living in canada is better than living in any other muslim country, our country is mainly focused on human rights, one of the best overall statistics in education in the world a long with an awesome healthcare system. People here are not bias or racist they accept islam, this country is known as the land of immigrants and allah has truly blessed this country. Living in Canada you have to be lucky unlike the US where muslims are degraded every second of their lives and they'll be never accepted by there own people.

 

[Nicola]

Why do some Muslims still live in western societies when they oppose western governments and western ways of life?

I can’t understand why some who live in Britain/USA preach so much hatred for the countries they reside in.
I know some who preach this hatred are merely immature and misguide Muslims (imo) and many still to young to leave home but many of these still continue to live in western lands well after they become adult.

So if your living in a Western country and hate there ways what is your reason for staying and not leaving for a Muslim country?

I am not saying all Muslims hate living in the west

I believe the idea is to spread Islam and gradually change the west.

 

[E'jaazi]

I can't believe what I am hearing from some of the muslims who live in North America and Canada. I only pray that Allah will give you the guidance to overcome your own personal preferences. We should love what Allah loves and hate what Allah hates!



Question :



I have been advised by several muslims who are knowledgable in islam against living in a kaffir country (America). I am an American/Arab who has lived in America all my life but for a few months now was living in arabic country , however things are getting hard for me to continue living here (lack of income, housing etc) and am considering going back to America, also another strong reason is that the Health care system is better and free for my wife who is ill. Please give me as much a detailed answer from the hadith and quran as you can as I don't know for sure if I should strive to continue living here or go back to America regarding Islam.

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

The basic principle is that it is haraam to settle among the mushrikeen and in their land. If Allaah makes it easy for a person to move from such a country to a Muslim country, then he should not prefer that which is inferior [i.e., living in a non-Muslim country] to that which is better [living in a Muslim country] unless he has an excuse which permits him to go back.

We advise you, as others have, not to go and live in a kaafir country, unless you are forced to go there temporarily, such as seeking medical treatment that is not readily available in a Muslim country.

Note that whoever gives up a thing for the sake of Allaah, Allaah will compensate him with something better, and that with hardship comes ease, and that whosoever fears Allaah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make a way for him to get out (from every difficulty), and He will provide him from (sources) he never could imagine. You should also note that preserving one’s capital is better than taking a risk in the hope of making a profit; the Muslim’s capital is his religion, and he should not risk it for the sake of some transient worldly gain.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) issued a detailed fatwa concerning the issue of settling in a kaafir country, which we will quote here.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:

Settling in a kaafir country poses a great danger to the Muslim’s religious commitment, morals, behaviour and etiquette. We and others have seen how many of those who settled there went astray and came back different from when they went; they have come back as evildoers, and some have come back having apostatized from their religion and disbelieving in it and in all other religions – we seek refuge with Allaah – denying it completely and mocking the religion and its people, past and present. Hence we must take measures to guard against that and stipulate conditions which will prevent people from following this path which leads to doom and destruction.

There are two basic conditions which must be met before staying in kaafir countries:

The first condition is: that the person must be secure in his religious commitment, so that he has enough knowledge, faith and will power to ensure that he will adhere firmly to his religion and beware of deviating or going astray, and that he has an attitude of enmity and hatred of the kaafirs and will not befriend them and love them, for befriending them and loving them are things that contradicts faith. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“You (O Muhammad) will not find any people who believe in Allaah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allaah and His Messenger (Muhammad), even though they were their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred (people)”

[al-Mujaadilah 58:22]

And He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust).

And you see those in whose hearts there is a disease (of hypocrisy), they hurry to their friendship, saying: ‘We fear lest some misfortune of a disaster may befall us.’ Perhaps Allaah may bring a victory or a decision according to His Will. Then they will become regretful for what they have been keeping as a secret in themselves”

[al-Maa’idah 5:51, 52]

And it was narrated in al-Saheeh that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever loves a people is one of them” and that “A man will be with the one whom he loves.”

Loving the enemies of Allaah is one of the most serious dangers for the Muslim, because loving them implies that one agrees with them and follows them, or at the very least that one does not denounce them, hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Whoever loves a people is one of them.”

The second condition is that he should be able to practise his religion openly, so that he can observe the rituals of Islam with no impediment. So he will not be prevented from establishing regular prayer, and praying Jumu’ah and offering prayers in congregation if there are others there with whom he can pray in congregation and pray Jumu’ah; and he will not be prevented from paying zakaah, fasting, performing Hajj and doing other rituals of Islam. If he will not be able to do that then it is not permissible to stay there because it becomes obligatory to migrate (hijrah) in that case.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said – explaining the categories of people who settle in non-Muslim lands:

The fourth category includes those who stay for an individual, permissible need, such as doing business or receiving medical treatment. It is permissible for them to stay as long as they need to. The scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) have stated that it is permissible to go to kaafir countries in order to do business, and they narrated that some of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) had done that.

The Shaykh said – at the end of the fatwa:

How can the believer be content to live in the land of the kuffaar where the rituals of kufr are proclaimed openly and rule belongs to someone other than Allaah and His Messenger, seeing that with his own eyes, hearing that with his own ears and approving of it, and even starting to feel that he belongs there and living there with his wife and children, and feeling as comfortable there as he does in the Muslim lands, even though he and his wife and children are in such great danger and their religious commitment and morals are in such peril?
Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthyameen, Fatwa no. 388.


And Allaah knows best.



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[HeiGou]

The Shaykh said – at the end of the fatwa:

How can the believer be content to live in the land of the kuffaar where the rituals of kufr are proclaimed openly and rule belongs to someone other than Allaah and His Messenger, seeing that with his own eyes, hearing that with his own ears and approving of it, and even starting to feel that he belongs there and living there with his wife and children, and feeling as comfortable there as he does in the Muslim lands, even though he and his wife and children are in such great danger and their religious commitment and morals are in such peril?
Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthyameen, Fatwa no. 388.

Well this is none of my business and I do not have any particular opinion on the subject, but where would a Muslim go if he wanted to live somewhere where rule belongs to Allah? It is better to live in a country where part of the Sharia is enforced to one where the government enforces none of it?

 

[dishdash]

assalaamu alaykum dishdash,

the problem is everyone in the west is in deniel over our history, and really it is one blood soaked adventure after another, subhanallah and they ask us to be proud of this.

really the afghanis and iraqis are getting off likely compared to the past, you know winston Churchill the great war hero actually ordered the dropping gas on the kurds back when it was british empire terrority? same thing they want to try saddam for. subhanallah and these are their heroes, no wonder they are messed up.

assalaamu alaykum,
Daw'ud

Wa alaikum salaam
Again, I would say to take the positive from everything - and if that is only a better understanding of human nature then khyr. And again, it's not all bad!
Dynasties and empires all have skeletons in their cupboards to varying degrees. BUt they are never all bad.

 

[Bittersteel]

I believe the idea is to spread Islam and gradually change the west.

yes exactly and MashAllah our troops are ready.
The 3rd Mujahideen Infantry Corps compromising of the 11th and 26th and the 89th Mujahideen Infantry Divisions maybe moved from the Middle East to the European theater of war.
InshAllah bombs will rain on these kaffirs and we will InshAllah wipe them off the map and InshAllah Israel too and InshAllah establish the rule of Allah.
Allahu Akbar!!!!!!

 

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And u kill the thread :rollseyes

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Well this is none of my business and I do not have any particular opinion on the subject, but where would a Muslim go if he wanted to live somewhere where rule belongs to Allah? It is better to live in a country where part of the Sharia is enforced to one where the government enforces none of it?

eace:
So what are you asking? lol you've answered ur own question, we wud like to live in the place where the shariah is MOST enforced! Although there will still be flaws in every country!
eace:

 

[Hijaabi22]

Why do some Muslims still live in western societies when they oppose western governments and western ways of life?[/B]

IS DAT A POLITE WAY OF SAYIN WE SHUD GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE!! Well no can do m8 me here 2 stay!kay: kay:

 

[HeiGou]

So what are you asking? lol you've answered ur own question, we wud like to live in the place where the shariah is MOST enforced! Although there will still be flaws in every country!
eace:

I don't think I have. If a Muslim must live in a country where Allah's law is supreme and men do not put themselves above the law, where can they live? Name me a country.

It is not a question of where you would like to live, but where you should live. Is it simply a case of the more Islamic law the better? This is actually a serious question that requires serious thought.

 

[mizan_aliashraf]

I don't think I have. If a Muslim must live in a country where Allah's law is supreme and men do not put themselves above the law, where can they live? Name me a country.

It is not a question of where you would like to live, but where you should live. Is it simply a case of the more Islamic law the better? This is actually a serious question that requires serious thought.

Peace to you,
I agree, there is no country where Muslims can live and say that the law of allah is being implemented to the full. What Muslims should do is show the non-Muslim what Islam really is rather than work as a one-man army. That way we can slowly change parts of the world and make a place where we can implement the law of Allah. The sonner that happens the better as far as I'm concerned.

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

insha-Allah akhee.

 

[Ghazi]

Salaam

Living in canada is better than living in any other muslim country

This isn't true for instance, what about mekkah and medinah